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Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
The problem will be in finding a suitable area within easy distance of London. All points north of London is no good as we'll lose a hell of a lot of business should they locate it too far from London. Clearly Sirius somewhere bordering the M25 or dam'd close to it would be a prerequisite...but where around this route though?...the reason why I favour Farnham but still even here may not be the best place. An exclusion zone void of urban development clearly makes sense or you operate a strictly controlled urban development programme. Small local'ish developments - housing for airport workers - with the pre-visor that it may get pulled down one day because of future airport expansion plus if you buy the property you buy the noise or any future increase in noise that comes with it. But still, certainly a restricted area of at least three miles where no urban development is permitted at any cost. The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24909 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Good post. Unfortunately, a 3rd runway will be totally insufficient, especially with the larger aircraft coming online. So catch 22. Unfortunately, London Airport to start with HAD hardly any urban development around it. So the question is: - What/Where next? |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
Good post. Unfortunately, a 3rd runway will be totally insufficient, especially with the larger aircraft coming online. Exactly....What/Where.....the answer then has to be a new International Airport.....but where?...Heathrow in the process will have to be wound down quite a bit. International carriers want to deposit their passengers to a point close to London with good transport links, and Heathrow currently provides that. If the hub of operations were to be moved elsewhere, then it is also going to affect all the ancillary airport operations as well. Surrounding Heathrow are freight handlers, baggage handlers, in-flight catering companies, cleaning services, you name it. They will not want to re-locate elsewhere. They'll relocate to where the business goes and that will be to the bigger new International Airport....Heathrow will have to lose it's status, if it can't be expanded any further then it must be made redundant and pass up a major slice of it's assets over to the new airport. The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24909 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Good post. Unfortunately, a 3rd runway will be totally insufficient, especially with the larger aircraft coming online. Yep, with more than sufficient space to build a minimum of four runways to start with, with also enough remaining to add another 2 if required. In 25/40 years, they will be! |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24909 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
& that's the problem Nick. If its done too far from London, you're going to hit at least two roadblocks..... Rail & Road infrastructure. At the moment, they are pretty dismal. Should they decide to move it out of London & improve Road & Rail at the same time..... ...oops, where's the money going to come from in these "austere" times? |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
As they say Sirius, "Location - location - location" Well, as you rightly state Sirius, "Rail & Road infrastructure" this can not be ignored. The government has chosen to invest in these with regards connections to Heathrow plus they intend to expand on this with HS2. If they want Heathrow to stay as the principle International Airport then there going to have to brush aside Chris's objection to clearing the North side of Heathrow....it's make your mind up time for the Government. The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
Question ..... Yes Chris, but I'll think you'll find that the airline operators do not wish to have to spread their operation around several airports hence why so many fought against being forced to operate out of Gatwick only. The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24909 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
I can see nothing wrong with LHR being long haul, and LGW being short haul? Yep, sensible to all except nimby's of course. The problem here is that 2 new runways are needed, possibly 1 at each airport which should cover the increase in both long & short hauls. |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
Yes Chris, but I'll think you'll find that the airline operators do not wish to have to spread their operation around several airports hence why so many fought against being forced to operate out of Gatwick only. ....but it's when you wish to connect the two half's together that the problems then start to occur. In Kuala Lumpur it takes but four minutes to switch from a long haul flight over to a short haul via the metro train link between the two sections. Each occupying their own side of the airport with plenty of room to expand as required as will be required again since their last expansion was carried out several years ago. If you could hop between Heathrow and Gatwick in similar time then no real problems. But if the transfer link breaks down then you'll need plenty of coaches available at very-very short notice, also expect to spend about an hour or more getting between the two. Kuala Lumpur, no problem, just expect to spend about fifteen minutes max to do the same job. The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24909 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
& that friend is the major stumbling block! For the past 40 years or so, people have stopped looking long term as they're only interested in profits in their lifetimes - stuff the future! |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
& that friend is the major stumbling block! For the past 40 years or so, people have stopped looking long term as they're only interested in profits in their lifetimes - stuff the future! ...and now that they have finally realised it has little future left they are now struggling within themselves to find a viable solution. No wonder some of us have finally thrown the towel in with regards to our inept outdated and backwards thinking ruddy system. The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24909 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
ooooha, Del-boy may just surprise us all after all...... referendum could now be a year early ....shame it isn't this year! |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
..and now that they have finally realised it has little future left they But you don't need this built-in inefficiency and unnecessary extra infrastructure costs if you have then both sited basically under one roof. Having long haul at Heathrow and short haul at Gatwick is simply a make-do exercise and is simply not good enough...we can do better than this!!.. £25 to connect from a long haul flight to a short haul and vis versa, costs nothing in many countries and it doesn't take 75 minutes neither. No wonder Heathrow is growing out of favour these days... The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
ooooha, Del-boy may just surprise us all after all...... The problem is Chris how will we know that they may have negotiated us a better deal...we'll have only their word to go by...other countries have been down a similar road in the past and were dam'd well lied to. The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24909 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
ooooha, Del-boy may just surprise us all after all...... If you believe that will happen then those of us more sensible will actually see pigs fly! |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
ooooha, Del-boy may just surprise us all after all...... The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
Ok boys, have it your way. Getting late, I'll natter more tomorrow. Night :-) Night Chris... The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Sorry to be a bit late about your airport prob we got exactly the same prob here with Sydney but by the time they get around to building the second Airport out west there won't be any oil left so no noise prob's and no airport prob's .they could sound proof the homes around the airport like they did here milk the current airports for what ever they can get till the oil crunch comes and then redevelop the airports for residential housing and make a heap of cash and eveyrone win's Sorry to butt in on this topic but we realy do have the same prob here gov's been saying for 30yrs we will build a second airport so what did they do build another runway 10yrs ago and they will still have to build the second airport now Sydney can't handle the traffic and by the time it's built if they do (greeny's complain ) the oil will run out and they would have wasted a couple hundred mil . Government geeeeeeees |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
The same again here to build the airport out far enough so it can be expanded in years to come they need trains motorways a huge cost and probably why it keeps being put on the back burner. I used Google earth to check out my old school and house we used to live in at east ham and while I did I looked at a airport I think it was Heathrow and I was amazed how much development was around it . It looked like there was no room to expand it ! |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24909 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Running scared you want to stop Labour getting in? That's easy to answer Nadine..... Get a strong leader Dump the coalition Sack the wimps, cowards, thieves Think of the country rather than yourselves! |
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