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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20334 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
... you can not justify such actions and blame US law. It takes people to implement and use or abuse whatever laws against other people. For this case, it looks to me like the USA has some "catch all and anyone and anything" laws that can be so vaguely interpreted that you all become 35 years+ felons. Extreme or what? Only in the USA?... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
BULL COOKIES. First of all why would I hack into any internet forum when I can just join it. As long as I follow that forums TOS I am afforded the privallge of partaking that forums discourse. I suggest you read the grand jury indictment. The first two pages state that for a fee you can access Jstor only 14 times a year. And that you abide by copyright laws. I have read the articles maybe you should also. Heres is the link so its easy for you. grandjuryindictment I stand corrected MIT only allowed guest 14 visits to Jstor. [/quote] Old James |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30683 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Now try actually reading the articles. Find one written by someone who understands the subject matter. Hint: After the name of the author will appear JD. |
dancer42 Send message Joined: 2 Jun 02 Posts: 455 Credit: 2,422,890 RAC: 1 |
i have read a number of article's on this and from what i gather, if i had a nic go bad and replaced it changing my mac number and my dynamically allocated ip address changed as they sometimes do i would have been guilty of one of the charges in this case this is how lousily the statute is worded. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20334 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
i have read a number of article's on this and from what i gather, if i had a nic go bad and replaced it changing my mac number and my dynamically allocated ip address changed as they sometimes do i would have been guilty of one of the charges in this case this is how lousily the statute is worded. That goes for any nic where the firmware is updated and changes the MAC address which then acquires a new IP address... As happens I believe for some laptops/mobile hardware. Hence run an update, by the law of the USA you must be locked away for 35+ years. Also note that Aaron was no 'guest'. He rightly had full access as a member. No 'hacking' needed. I would expect anyone in the academic community to expect to have full access in any case in the name of Science. All just? Only in the USA? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
i have read a number of article's on this and from what i gather, if i had a nic go bad and replaced it changing my mac number and my dynamically allocated ip address changed as they sometimes do i would have been guilty of one of the charges in this case this is how lousily the statute is worded. You need to go back and read the #9 paragraph. It clearly states Swartz was not affiliated at all with MIT. Edit- Swartz was a fellow at Harvard Uni's Safra center for Ethics ( how ironic ) And Harvard provided Swartz with access to JSTOR services. So why did he go to MIT ? Simple he was going to rip JSTOR off thats why. [/quote] Old James |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30683 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Martin's refusal to look at and admit the facts of the case, frankly reminds me of the self deluded fervor of a Ufologist claiming to have been kidnapped and anal probed. They have a conclusion predetermined and will not allow facts to get in the way of their delusion. I can see that in many of his posts in other threads in politics. This is unfortunate as occasionally he does have some good information to impart, but most people will have long ago decided to ignore him or class him as a troll. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30683 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
i have read a number of article's on this and from what i gather, if i had a nic go Nah, first you would have had to have had the old mac number and IP blocked for abuse, then a log entry showing you got a blocked message, followed a couple minutes later with another attempt with a new mac and IP. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20334 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Nah, first you ... ... Must must appreciate just how vaguely worded that part of the USA law is and how a good (vindictive or career desperate?) attorney can twist the argument any way desired... All with the vast resource of the USA government to destroy the victims everyday life for many months/years before any hope of any trial... Only in the USA? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
Nah, first you ... Well then your hero should not have gone to another campus with his little laptop that had been altered. So he could steal more JSTOR files. [/quote] Old James |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30683 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Nah, first you ... Poor little martin, never read any laws before .... Go read your countries laws on money laundering ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_laundering#United_Kingdom Unlike certain other jurisdictions (notably the USA and much of Europe), UK money laundering offences are not limited to the proceeds of serious crimes, nor are there any monetary limits, nor is there any necessity for there to be a money laundering design or purpose to an action for it to amount to a money laundering offence. Only poor little martin who can not allow reality to intrude upon his predetermined conclusions ... |
James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
A money laundering offence under UK legislation need not involve money, since the money laundering legislation covers assets of any description. In consequence any person who commits an acquisitive crime (i.e. one from which he obtains some benefit in the form of money or an asset of any description) in the UK will inevitably also commit a money laundering offence under UK legislation. The above should alarm every UK citizen. Why if you download a book from an altered computer you get a money laundering charge thrown against you along with a theft charge. Swartz would have been guilty of that had he lived in the UK. Only in the UK? [/quote] Old James |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30683 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57573487-93/iran-cuts-off-illegal-vpn-workaround-to-internet-filters/ Iran cuts off 'illegal' VPN workaround to Internet filters. Only in Iran? |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20334 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
And so you are completely innocent and untouchable by whatever vague laws and rulings? The example we're discussing, and the one you are guffawing at as though leaders of a lynch-mob, happens to have recently happened in the USA... Only in the USA? Are you next? If you use the internet in any way, you may well be... Only in the USA? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
And so you are completely innocent and untouchable by whatever vague laws and rulings? Ok, Martin show me an example of where A nic went bad and was replaced and a person was arrested and charged Because the IP changed. Your hero does not count as he did it with malicious intent to steal articles he knew by JSTOR's terms and MIT's terms was illegal. Only in the UK are you next? [/quote] Old James |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30683 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Surprised Martin isn't all over this one ... http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/03/16/journalist-lawyer-says-prank-doesnt-merit-prison/ U.S. prosecutors say a journalist conspired with the hacking group Anonymous to cause an online security breach that should be punished by decades in prison. But online supporters of Matthew Keys say he was just taking part in a prank that briefly altered the Los Angeles Times' website and shouldn't be treated so harshly. |
James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
Surprised Martin isn't all over this one ... Im suprised also. I wonder how Mr. Keys would have felt if it was just his bank account that was breifly changed? Edit- Another young punk who thinks its ok to hack into another computer. Prank my keyster, more like revenge for being fired. [/quote] Old James |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20334 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Im suprised also. I wonder how Mr. Keys would have felt if it was just his bank account that was breifly changed? Should you not be surprised that such a prank is so easily done? Should not the person who left the "door open" for ANYONE to so easily walk in instead be the one suffering the threat of their life in jail?... In comparison, how many years for someone spray-painting a bit of graffiti on a shop window?... Why should spray-painting instead a website instead incite death to the perpetrator? For you example of your bank account/details: The banks suffer some well known vulnerabilities with the systems they have set up for their business. They allow the vulnerabilities for the sake of their improved profits... Yet I'm sure for the similar example of for example a car manufacturer selling cars with too-cheap-defective-brakes would soon be pursued and legislated against... Why victimize the users of shoddy IT?... Only in the USA? Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30683 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
So Martin doesn't think that a password is a lock. Now we know why he doesn't understand the serious felony crime of breaking and entering. Pick a lock, break a window, try passwords, all the same. Only felons do these things. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20334 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
... a password is a lock. Then you know nothing of locks or of IT. Or you're just trolling as usual. By your own rules, please lock yourself away for a few years for wasting our time with your drivel of non-discussion. (BTW: In case you really don't get it, a password is not a lock. And there is still the hugely disproportionate draconian response to IT silliness as compared to real world silliness. Can you get real? Guess not...) Regards, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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