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Message 1376153 - Posted: 3 Jun 2013, 20:23:28 UTC

Three of the four mainline rail carrying bridges in Grantham are amongst the UK's top ten most struck bridges. This despite large letters saying "Low Bridge" and the height, and the bridge outlined (both sides) with large yellow and black striped. Tall HGVs strike the bridges and they clearly do not know how tall they are.
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Message 1376161 - Posted: 3 Jun 2013, 20:35:33 UTC

I would suggest John that 90% of the drivers going through Grantham, are probably continentals that don't speak or read English! They should all be stopped at the ferry ports and refused entry.

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Message 1376205 - Posted: 3 Jun 2013, 22:10:19 UTC - in response to Message 1376153.  

Tall HGVs strike the bridges and they clearly do not know how tall they are.


That's down to the drivers themselves. Many of today's drivers regardless of nationality just get in & drive - no semblance of professionalism in knowing the vehicles strengths & weaknesses!

Many HGV's I've driven had a yellow sticker on the dash detailing height & length of vehicle (rigid's) & one should know the height & length of any trailer & it's load[articulated).

Too many just want to get behind the wheel, drive & use their smartphones/dvd players/TV's or laptops....

....see that too often unfortunately!
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Message 1376214 - Posted: 3 Jun 2013, 22:27:10 UTC
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There is no sign on the approach to the bridge giving the clearance. (Drive it on Google street view.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-5_Skagit_River_Bridge_collapse
The collapse was apparently caused by a semi-trailer truck from Canada hauling an oversize load to Vancouver, Washington, damaging the compression chord in the overhead steel frame (trusswork) on the southbound side of the bridge.[8] The vertical clearance from the roadway to the upper arched beam in the outer southbound lane is 14 feet 7 inches (4.45 m), and all trucks with over-sized loads are expected to travel in the inside southbound lane where the clearance is around 17 feet (5.2 m). The trucker was traveling with a 15 feet 9 inches (4.80 m) tall load, and after the collapse a "dented upper corner and a scrape along the upper side [were] visible on the 'oversize load' equipment casing being hauled on the truck."[9] A pilot car was hired to ensure the load could pass safely. The pilot car never signalled the truck driver that there would be a problem crossing the Skagit bridge.[10]


<edit>Triple failure? Got the permit for the size of the load, hired a pilot vehicle, no sign with the restriction?
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Message 1376243 - Posted: 3 Jun 2013, 23:22:44 UTC - in response to Message 1376107.  
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....too many idiots fail to use what little brain cells they have & technology can't help there.... :)


Never a truer word spoken in jest.......

GPS can't find street that's been there 50 years & in the A-Z mapbook

Ain't technology marvellous!

I know three houses, ~150 years old, that have a postcode, so obviously the PO knows where they are. But look in any map, online or old technology A-Z and you will not find the street listed.
But on a map circa 1890's the road is clearly there.
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Message 1376266 - Posted: 4 Jun 2013, 0:07:05 UTC - in response to Message 1376107.  

....too many idiots fail to use what little brain cells they have & technology can't help there.... :)


Never a truer word spoken in jest.......

GPS can't find street that's been there 50 years & in the A-Z mapbook

Ain't technology marvellous!

... Except when abused or when people get blindly lazy.

Following a GPS, it is far too easy to get lazy and follow what the GPS says, blindly not even looking out for what the road signs might tell you...


And we may yet be moving to use "driver-less cars" that rely on GPS...

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Message 1376453 - Posted: 4 Jun 2013, 9:31:39 UTC

When you think of it, all GPS's are always out of data! Any road sign or narrow lane or bridge can be changed at any time. The Gps will show the correct location in relation to other local details, but it wont know about any changes to details until, firstly someone tells them, and secondly they issue an update. GPS's are useful for finding out roughly where you are on a map, in case you get lost, but they are no susbstitute for a pair of eyes on the ground.

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Message 1376488 - Posted: 4 Jun 2013, 11:10:55 UTC - in response to Message 1376453.  
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When you think of it, all GPS's are always out of dat[e]! ... they are no susbstitute for a pair of eyes on the ground.

And there's the dangerous problem... The driver's attention is focused on what the GPS is displaying. Worse still, the driver has effectively been trained and conditioned by many miles of GPS-led driving to ALWAYS trust that the GPS is 'ALWAYS right'...

Hence why some drivers blindly drive into rivers or into old dams or down lanes far too narrow for their vehicle, or even more silly...


A possible useful and safe fix would be to do away with the always-on display of GPSes and instead have spoken instructions that guide the driver to look out for whatever direction signs for that part of the road. You then get a triple safety bonus of:

Driver not dangerously distracted staring at a small overly bright computer display;

Driver encouraged to actually look for and look at road signs;

Driver not getting conditioned to only believe the GPS!


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Message 1376511 - Posted: 4 Jun 2013, 12:36:54 UTC
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all GPS's are always out of dat[e]!

Hehe, quite a good freudian slip that one ;-)

An even more important point is the sheer number of foreign lorry drivers allowed into the UK from channel ports, that can't speak or read English in the first place. I could probably, just about drive a car to Warsaw using a GPS thingy, but would I be safe or be able to act in an emergency? No I wouldn't. In my view the Department of Transport should have officials at every UK port, and if a foreign lorry driver cannot produce a certificate of English reading and speaking to at least conversational level, they should be refused entry and sent back, or their vehicle impounded, until someone who can meet the requirements arrives.

We had a case 1/2 a mile from me a few years ago where a large lorry from Holland and a Dutch bulb growing company, was delivering to a local garden centre, and scraped the side of a lady's car causing some considerable damage. The driver didn't speak English, nor did the police who eventually sent him on his way, speak dutch. The lady driver took down all the details painted on the side of the lorry, but her insurance company got no redress, feedback, or contact at all, even after going through the Dutch embassy in London. She lost her NCB.

The next time I see one of those lorries I'll let its tyres down!!!
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Message 1376526 - Posted: 4 Jun 2013, 16:28:15 UTC - in response to Message 1376453.  

When you think of it, all GPS's are always out of data!

Because a GPS only has Lat / Lon / elevation
Any road sign or narrow lane or bridge can be changed at any time. The Gps will show the correct location in relation to other local details, but it wont know about any changes to details until, firstly someone tells them, and secondly they issue an update. GPS's are useful for finding out roughly where you are on a map, in case you get lost, but they are no susbstitute for a pair of eyes on the ground.

You and 99.99% of everyone is confused. It isn't the GPS that needs the update, it is the map database that gets out of date. No different if you used last years paper one in the old days! Just like last years phone book.


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Message 1376596 - Posted: 4 Jun 2013, 18:10:34 UTC

You and 99.99% of everyone is confused. It isn't the GPS that needs the update, it is the map database that gets out of date. No different if you used last years paper one in the old days! Just like last years phone book.

That is a fair comment and fully accepted, and of course you are right :-)

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Message 1376649 - Posted: 4 Jun 2013, 20:06:09 UTC - in response to Message 1376526.  

You and 99.99% of everyone is confused. It isn't the GPS that needs the update, it is the map database that gets out of date. No different if you used last years paper one in the old days! Just like last years phone book.



Make that 85% & you'd be correct!
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Message 1376765 - Posted: 4 Jun 2013, 23:24:52 UTC - in response to Message 1376649.  

Make that 85% & you'd be correct!

The 'problem' is that it is the other 15% that kills you and potentially kills others...


Far better is to keep your eyes on the road and on the here and now?...

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Message 1377104 - Posted: 5 Jun 2013, 17:56:38 UTC - in response to Message 1376765.  
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That's a sick & selfish outlook on life! You'd better make that 70% then!

There's good & bad in every profession so to label them either dumb & useless or potential killers says a lot about your mentality.

It would benefit you if you walked away from your "Linux" screen, stepped outside & smell the roses.

However you do raise a valid point regarding road users. Unfortunately, technology only serves to make their stupidity worse!

The times I wished I was a motorcycle cop, the money I'd roll in would be tremendous - talking & texting on mobiles, shaving & talking & recently while in a traffic jam after an accident on the A14, seen a woman driver steering with her knee while talking on the phone & also applying makeup. When tooted, she gave me the "bird".

Here's the catch! Was she a youngster? No, I'd put her in the early to mid 40's.
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Message 1377129 - Posted: 5 Jun 2013, 19:47:07 UTC

I don't always agree with Martin myself, but that response was a bit harsh .....

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Message 1377134 - Posted: 5 Jun 2013, 20:01:15 UTC - in response to Message 1377129.  

I don't always agree with Martin myself, but that response was a bit harsh .....



Gary stated: -

You and 99.99% of everyone is confused. It isn't the GPS that needs the update, it is the map database that gets out of date. No different if you used last years paper one in the old days! Just like last years phone book.


Which I replied to: -

Make that 85% & you'd be correct!


To which Martin replied: -

The 'problem' is that it is the other 15% that kills you and potentially kills others...


Not sure where you went to school but 85% & 15% = 100%.

So ALL road users are either confused or potential killers? Harsh? Sounds like you're one of those "cocooned" in their little 4 wheel world!

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Message 1377140 - Posted: 5 Jun 2013, 20:36:24 UTC

So lets recap here with Martin's view

85% of people wrongly think that the GPS needs an update
15% of people correctly realise that the map database needs updating.

it is the other 15% that kills you and potentially kills others...

That conclusion is illogical.

Not sure where you went to school but 85% & 15% = 100%.
So ALL road users are either confused or potential killers?

In Martins view, apparently yes.

That's a sick & selfish outlook on life! You'd better make that 70% then! There's good & bad in every profession so to label them either dumb & useless or potential killers says a lot about your mentality. It would benefit you if you walked away from your "Linux" screen, stepped outside & smell the roses.

That was still a harsh response to an illogical answer. You could have asked why he thinks that 15% of people who know how to use a GPS properly are killers.

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Message 1377143 - Posted: 5 Jun 2013, 20:39:11 UTC - in response to Message 1377104.  
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It would benefit you if you walked away from your "Linux" screen, stepped outside & smell the roses.

He just has the screen color set to extra cool. His eyes attempt to adjust for all that excess blue. The problem is when he looks at the real world all he can see is rosy. And anything rosy in the real world will come out blood red to him.

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Message 1377157 - Posted: 5 Jun 2013, 21:16:08 UTC
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New Cars..... note that Linux nor Win 8 not running them :)


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Message 1377163 - Posted: 5 Jun 2013, 21:46:29 UTC

Oh dear, it seems to never end.....

...now it's Apple's turn to pull their products :)

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