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Message 1241456 - Posted: 5 Jun 2012, 0:31:46 UTC - in response to Message 1241454.  

Yes some of the data is wrong. the IFS stated weekly & the newspaper reported it as monthly.
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Message 1241464 - Posted: 5 Jun 2012, 0:46:13 UTC - in response to Message 1241456.  

Yes some of the data is wrong. the IFS stated weekly & the newspaper reported it as monthly.

Newspaper and not Think Tank? Just to be sure.


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Message 1241465 - Posted: 5 Jun 2012, 0:47:37 UTC - in response to Message 1241464.  

Newspaper as the IFS report states weekly - unless the IFS got it wrong of course.
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Message 1241694 - Posted: 5 Jun 2012, 13:38:25 UTC - in response to Message 1241207.  
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"Well Ma'am, I think you will soon be told where to put it ....

...."Well, I think I just have!!....is that a bit of an olive"??


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Message 1241813 - Posted: 5 Jun 2012, 21:52:35 UTC - in response to Message 1241807.  
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Don't worry. Everything is going to be just fine.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jun/5/cbo-federal-debt-double-15-years/


Ah right, so just as Europe recovered from their crisis & everyone looking forward to the "good times" again, there's a crisis in the USA...

Oh well, we might as well all go broke here & now...saves having to waste 20 years.
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Message 1241823 - Posted: 5 Jun 2012, 22:12:20 UTC

Time for me to adjust my statements about politicians being muppets....

...I think that we're the muppets if all the citizens of Europe allows this to happen....

While promoting austerity throughout Europe - All the kings & queens without clothes want to increase their annual budget


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Message 1241834 - Posted: 5 Jun 2012, 22:28:38 UTC

I just gotta get into someone's government......any position will do.......

Spain's Treasury boss begs for EU bailout


..."Cash injection: Santander chairman Emilio Botin says a relatively small figure of £32billion would be enough to prop up Spain's ailing smaller banks"

Relatively small amount? Just what amount of cash does he keep in his wallet?
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Message 1241839 - Posted: 5 Jun 2012, 22:33:18 UTC - in response to Message 1241823.  
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Time for me to adjust my statements about politicians being muppets....

...I think that we're the muppets if all the citizens of Europe allows this to happen....

While promoting austerity throughout Europe - All the kings & queens without clothes want to increase their annual budget


Brussels austerity plan "B".
Drive ALL the ECM countries into debt and ruination. Now all member countries
are now on the same level playing field. Because their now all in such desperate
plight con them all in to believing that the only way out to prosperity again is
if all accept a new treaty. The new treaty will mean you give up your independent
governments by signing up to a new European super states wholly run from Brussels.
A European super state via the back door, if you can't win them over with
promises of wealth for all if you join, then you can always try no food for
any if you don't.
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Message 1241950 - Posted: 6 Jun 2012, 1:57:50 UTC - in response to Message 1241839.  

Time for me to adjust my statements about politicians being muppets....

...I think that we're the muppets if all the citizens of Europe allows this to happen....

While promoting austerity throughout Europe - All the kings & queens without clothes want to increase their annual budget


Brussels austerity plan "B".
Drive ALL the ECM countries into debt and ruination. Now all member countries
are now on the same level playing field. Because their now all in such desperate
plight con them all in to believing that the only way out to prosperity again is
if all accept a new treaty. The new treaty will mean you give up your independent
governments by signing up to a new European super states wholly run from Brussels.
A European super state via the back door, if you can't win them over with
promises of wealth for all if you join, then you can always try no food for
any if you don't.

The beatings will continue until morale improves.
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Message 1242103 - Posted: 6 Jun 2012, 8:49:25 UTC

Leaders plotting superstate

hmmn...think we need the scientists to grab this guy's DNA & clone him



"What's taking you fools so long? Where's my crown?
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Message 1242105 - Posted: 6 Jun 2012, 9:10:34 UTC

What killjoys! It's all right for them sitting on their fat asses yapping away like like Jim Henson creations, what about the rest of us? Aren't we entitled to a break & celebrate history?

"What you want us all back to the "Victorian workhouse" days?

Killjoys

"Conservative MP, Douglas Carswell,said: ‘This is further evidence that this is a government run by senior civil servants for the convenience of senior civil servants".

Expect this type of thing to quadruple should it become a superstate controlled by Brussells & the Mekon Queen!
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Message 1242107 - Posted: 6 Jun 2012, 9:58:52 UTC

(Duke Nukem voice Mode on)

"Oooooh, that's gonna hurt"

(Voice mode off)

Moody's downgrades several German Banks

Ah well, they can join France in having a pop at us...

... & that's nothing new.... :)
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Message 1242127 - Posted: 6 Jun 2012, 11:40:22 UTC

Confirmation that there really are intelligent people within the electorate...shame the muppets at the top continue to fail to realise this...

A comment from a telegraph article...

"You really do have to hand it to the German’s don’t you. German finance minister Wolfgang Schäuble has finally come out and said it. The only way Germany will put up the money to rescue most of Europe is if the rest of Europe signs up to total fiscal, and political union. In other words he wants to see a United States of Europe. Mrs. Merkel claims to be reluctantly coming round to this idea. Yeah, right.

This has been Germany’s plan from day one of the set up of European collaboration. I think almost everyone, including me, thought that the setting up of trading agreements, and other agreements of mutual benefit across Europe was a good idea, and in fact I still think so. Stage two of Germany’s plan was to bring about fixed exchange rates, within limits, for European currencies. Stage three was to move to a single European currency. This is where I, and I think many other voters baulked at the idea, but our undemocratic European leaders ignored their voters, and I believe that for the first time the voters across Europe saw that we were moving away from sovereign democracy. Thanks to pure luck, because of the bickering between Blair, and Brown, the UK decided, not for sound political reasons to stay out of the euro, but because Brown wanted to show his strength relative to Blair. At least Brown got something right, even if it was for the wrong reasons.

The single currency can, and probably could never work without a United Sates of Europe, but lets face it our European leaders have managed to steer most of Europe into bankruptcy, and put millions of workers out of a job, along with causing many businesses to collapse, so why, and how can this super plan to solve all these ills work? We all know that Germany’s plan for curing Europe’s problems is to drive for more austerity, and this is why Hollande’s (France’s new Leader) suggestion that we need to create a climate for growth has gone down with the German’s like a lead balloon.

Make no mistake about it Germany still want to control Europe, but unlike the first two attempts, there will no guns, artillery, or fighting in the trenches, this time it will all be down to financial blackmail / financial control.
Will Germany be successful? I very much doubt it, because as we are already seeing traditional political Parties are struggling for votes, as voters turn to Nationalistic Parties who promise to retain the sovereignty of their respective countries. We are also seeing much political unrest as huge swathes of people are out of work.

This is the exact opposite to what the EU was set up to do, and that was to unite Europe. The huge cost, and political interference of the EU for so many people is only serving to turn voters away from an integrated Europe, let alone a United States of Europe, particularly with the German’s as pretenders to the throne of leadership.

If the UK is anything to go by, then look no further than all the huge and overwhelming support for our Queen in her Jubilee Year. I suspect that many other countries across Europe are equally nationalistic about their country. Cameron would commit suicide if he suggested we became a small part of Europe controlled by the German’s. Yet he and Osborne have said they would support fiscal union.

Goodbye Mr. Cameron".

9 9 9, again
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Message 1242148 - Posted: 6 Jun 2012, 13:04:44 UTC

Well said, Sirius;....

There's no chance of a United States of Europe ever working out if it
does not have the backing of those States population. They may go to the
extremes of forcing all member countries into a deep depression and hope
all will beg for a Union to save them. The chances of getting the UK to sign
up to this union is pretty minimal. For all those in political hierarchy know
this would open up the gate for an alternative political party to get voted
in and get us our of the ECM. For the UK, there is no space for maneuverability
on this United States formation without a referendum at some stage. Times running
out for the incumbent government to make it's mind up to which direction it
wished to take with reference to the ECM. The European MEP elections come up
again in two years time and a decision on Europe may get made then by the UK
electorate. Fully expect to see the UK Independence Party sweep the board here
in the UK, I pity a government who chooses to ignore them. For come the next
general election you could see a new political party calling the shots.
My feelings are that Cameron sees all this happening and before the European
elections comes about he will have already called for the referendum.
If, as is quite possible, his die-hard europhiles make to much trouble of
this referendum business Cameron may have no choice but to call a general
election....potentially interesting times to come. Still he who spends the
least amount of money getting out of this depression will have most to gain
in the years ahead afterwards.



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Message 1242194 - Posted: 6 Jun 2012, 14:16:55 UTC

Now this is really worrisome. If their economy continues to stagnate, there will be a hell of a lot more to worry about than just the single currency & fiscal union prop ups......

German growth dropping
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Message 1242210 - Posted: 6 Jun 2012, 14:40:32 UTC - in response to Message 1242194.  
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Now this is really worrisome. If their economy continues to stagnate, there will be a hell of a lot more to worry about than just the single currency & fiscal union prop ups......

German growth dropping

The German gambit.....can we stay prosperous enough, long enough, to pull
off the United States of Europe sting before it becomes financially impossible
for us. Germany could easily find themselves in a position here where they
pledge their fortunes in backing a Euro States bail-out banking system only
to find later that they do not have the resources to follow it up with.
Resulting in everyone having signed up to the Super State only to find
later the the Euro State Bank king had no clothes. America "WILL" go back into
recession (depression) later this year or very early next year. When that
happens then Germany's growth will have all but ended. Here comes the problem,
German workers start to suffer at the expense of other EU countries drawing
down on Germany's pledged financial support. Amasing how the banks were
accused of bringing about this financial holocaust through their excessive
financial derivative gambling. Yet did any banking organisation ever cause
a war?, no never but stupid ideological countries governments do and have done
so since time immemorial. So one does wounder where all this Euro Super State
ideology will lead us all to in the end? If governments come up with what they
perceive to be a good idea then I'd bet your bottom dollar, in this gambit, by
putting it on the other horse.
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Message 1242215 - Posted: 6 Jun 2012, 14:44:58 UTC

At last, is it really the end of the beginning?

eoro now = poverty & deflation

"This cannot go on. Eurocrats are treating the tumour instead of the patient. They see the survival of the euro as more important than the prosperity of the people using it. Outside the euro, countries could devalue, price themselves into the market and start exporting their way back to growth, as Britain did when it left the ERM in 1992. This, I suspect, is precisely what the EU elites secretly fear. Europe’s economies would recover; their reputations would not".
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Message 1242248 - Posted: 6 Jun 2012, 15:27:31 UTC - in response to Message 1242215.  

At last, is it really the end of the beginning?

eoro now = poverty & deflation

"This cannot go on. Eurocrats are treating the tumour instead of the patient. They see the survival of the euro as more important than the prosperity of the people using it. Outside the euro, countries could devalue, price themselves into the market and start exporting their way back to growth, as Britain did when it left the ERM in 1992. This, I suspect, is precisely what the EU elites secretly fear. Europe’s economies would recover; their reputations would not".

Yar, read that already this morning in the Telegraph.....


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