It was suggested that I post this. I fully subscribe to this!

'I REMEMBER, SO I'M VOTIN n I AIN'T VOTIN REPUBLICAN'

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PRR #5550 4-4-4-4

Then you must be voting Tea Party!

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Then you must be voting Tea Party!

Ha! Good one Dena!

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PRR #5550 4-4-4-4

It was suggested that I post this. I fully subscribe to this!

'I REMEMBER, SO I'M VOTIN n I AIN'T VOTIN REPUBLICAN'

I remember Carter and the Community Reinvestment Act too. Vot'n Libertarian.

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Voted already by absentee ballot, Democratic, As I remember too, All of what Meg said is a bald faced lie. Repubs at the higher end just wanted a way to rule, So We put in Term Limits which they admit was a mistake and Prop 13 which gives business a nice tax break as Corporations own the buildings and so they rarely get reassessed when their sold as It's the Corporation that owns the property and It's the Corporation that gets sold, So We pay the rate for whatever Year we bought our homes and they for the most part still pay 1978 levels. And so they found a way to steal power by conning the California Public into doing what the couldn't do honestly, Win the power of a Majority, While being a Minority party.

I voted No  on 20, 23, 26, 27.
I voted Yes on 19, 21, 22, 24, 25.

Go Jerry!

You really should learn more about Fabian Socialism.

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Voted already by absentee ballot, Democratic, As I remember too, All of what Meg said is a bald faced lie. Repubs at the higher end just wanted a way to rule, So We put in Term Limits which they admit was a mistake and Prop 13 which gives business a nice tax break as Corporations own the buildings and so they rarely get reassessed when their sold as It's the Corporation that owns the property and It's the Corporation that gets sold, So We pay the rate for whatever Year we bought our homes and they for the most part still pay 1978 levels. And so they found a way to steal power by conning the California Public into doing what the couldn't do honestly, Win the power of a Majority, While being a Minority party.

I voted No  on 20, 23, 26, 27.
I voted Yes on 19, 21, 22, 24, 25.

Go Jerry!

You really should learn more about Fabian Socialism.

Not interested. Most in the US wouldn't know a real Socialist from a hole in the ground and that includes Me. HSR, Being frugal, those are good qualities, Sure He'll spend money if It's worth It as an Investment, But then He has a Harvard Education, Today most Californians are in favor of HSR, Meg isn't, She wants to create jobs by doing nothing and spending nothing, No pain, No gain, So far both have proved that their good at exporting jobs(Carly and Meg), But then both are just Corporate Shills. We don't need Arnold in a skirt, He had no experience and look so does Meg, Most employers want to see experience, Yet the people seem to think cause they don't get all that they want that the worst must be happening and so We have Term Limits and a Republican takeover by a Minority Party that can't gain power the old fashioned way, By earning It.

You don't understand. The american name for Fabian Socialism is progressivism or liberalism. Obama has admitted to being a progressive and Jerry is one. All the people who voted for the bailout and health care are progressives as well. I am not playing favors because some of the Republican including John McCain are progressive Lite. You should be interested in know just what the people you voted for want to do with your life and what they want to make the world look like.

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Voted already by absentee ballot, Democratic, As I remember too, All of what Meg said is a bald faced lie. Repubs at the higher end just wanted a way to rule, So We put in Term Limits which they admit was a mistake and Prop 13 which gives business a nice tax break as Corporations own the buildings and so they rarely get reassessed when their sold as It's the Corporation that owns the property and It's the Corporation that gets sold, So We pay the rate for whatever Year we bought our homes and they for the most part still pay 1978 levels. And so they found a way to steal power by conning the California Public into doing what the couldn't do honestly, Win the power of a Majority, While being a Minority party.

I voted No  on 20, 23, 26, 27.
I voted Yes on 19, 21, 22, 24, 25.

Go Jerry!

You really should learn more about Fabian Socialism.

Not interested. Most in the US wouldn't know a real Socialist from a hole in the ground and that includes Me. HSR, Being frugal, those are good qualities, Sure He'll spend money if It's worth It as an Investment, But then He has a Harvard Education, Today most Californians are in favor of HSR, Meg isn't, She wants to create jobs by doing nothing and spending nothing, No pain, No gain, So far both have proved that their good at exporting jobs(Carly and Meg), But then both are just Corporate Shills. We don't need Arnold in a skirt, He had no experience and look so does Meg, Most employers want to see experience, Yet the people seem to think cause they don't get all that they want that the worst must be happening and so We have Term Limits and a Republican takeover by a Minority Party that can't gain power the old fashioned way, By earning It.

You don't understand. The american name for Fabian Socialism is progressivism or liberalism. Obama has admitted to being a progressive and Jerry is one. All the people who voted for the bailout and health care are progressives as well. I am not playing favors because some of the Republican including John McCain are progressive Lite. You should be interested in know just what the people you voted for want to do with your life and what they want to make the world look like.

Mind You I had at one time Voted for John McCain when He was liked by Independents, then He turned away from them and I dropped My support. Ok I'll concede that, As I'm a bit of a Progressive and somewhat Conservative as well, Investing in things like HSR does make sense, As It cuts dependence on foreign oil from the middle east and It does/will provide for lots of jobs, both Government and private sector. Obama may be a Progressive, But so far He's acting timid, Even Carter pushed harder than that, As Obama had a solid Majority in Congress and He didn't use It, On the distasteful bailouts, If the Banks went under, Lenders would have the right to Call Mortgages, Even If they weren't behind, Be thankful the Banks and such got help, Me I'm just trying to get a mortgage on a house so that I can quit being a part time home owner(I rent the land under My Mobile Home) and I'm trying to survive as best that I can on what little I get as a Disabled Person who receives SSI, It doesn't hurt that some republican politicians said He gets too much, My check was cut from $907 a month to $845 a month, They have No Shame and No Decency. I could use that $62 a month back too, As this is an expensive state to live in and No one who gets SSI(Supplemental Security Income) gets Food Stamps.

I don't know what news station you are watching, but Obama and Nancy have done far more in about 18 months than most presidents do in 4 years. That Health care bill and Stimulus bill were loaded with Trojan horses and many will not be felt for years. Did you know that the Health care bill ended private funding of student loans and the only place you can now get a student loan is from the government? That 2000 page bill was a masterpiece of packing a great deal of economic control into one vote. He only need about half a dozen bills to meet his goals and about two more should take care of the rest of his goals. The only thing that slowed Obama down was when the Republicans got the 41st Senator.

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Voted already by absentee ballot, Democratic, As I remember too, All of what Meg said is a bald faced lie. Repubs at the higher end just wanted a way to rule, So We put in Term Limits which they admit was a mistake and Prop 13 which gives business a nice tax break as Corporations own the buildings and so they rarely get reassessed when their sold as It's the Corporation that owns the property and It's the Corporation that gets sold, So We pay the rate for whatever Year we bought our homes and they for the most part still pay 1978 levels. And so they found a way to steal power by conning the California Public into doing what the couldn't do honestly, Win the power of a Majority, While being a Minority party.

I voted No  on 20, 23, 26, 27.
I voted Yes on 19, 21, 22, 24, 25.

Go Jerry!

You really should learn more about Fabian Socialism.

Not interested. Most in the US wouldn't know a real Socialist from a hole in the ground and that includes Me. HSR, Being frugal, those are good qualities, Sure He'll spend money if It's worth It as an Investment, But then He has a Harvard Education, Today most Californians are in favor of HSR, Meg isn't, She wants to create jobs by doing nothing and spending nothing, No pain, No gain, So far both have proved that their good at exporting jobs(Carly and Meg), But then both are just Corporate Shills. We don't need Arnold in a skirt, He had no experience and look so does Meg, Most employers want to see experience, Yet the people seem to think cause they don't get all that they want that the worst must be happening and so We have Term Limits and a Republican takeover by a Minority Party that can't gain power the old fashioned way, By earning It.

You don't understand. The american name for Fabian Socialism is progressivism or liberalism. Obama has admitted to being a progressive and Jerry is one. All the people who voted for the bailout and health care are progressives as well. I am not playing favors because some of the Republican including John McCain are progressive Lite. You should be interested in know just what the people you voted for want to do with your life and what they want to make the world look like.

Mind You I had at one time Voted for John McCain when He was liked by Independents, then He turned away from them and I dropped My support. Ok I'll concede that, As I'm a bit of a Progressive and somewhat Conservative as well, Investing in things like HSR does make sense, As It cuts dependence on foreign oil from the middle east and It does/will provide for lots of jobs, both Government and private sector. Obama may be a Progressive, But so far He's acting timid, Even Carter pushed harder than that, As Obama had a solid Majority in Congress and He didn't use It, On the distasteful bailouts, If the Banks went under, Lenders would have the right to Call Mortgages, Even If they weren't behind, Be thankful the Banks and such got help, Me I'm just trying to get a mortgage on a house so that I can quit being a part time home owner(I rent the land under My Mobile Home) and I'm trying to survive as best that I can on what little I get as a Disabled Person who receives SSI, It doesn't hurt that some republican politicians said He gets too much, My check was cut from $907 a month to $845 a month, They have No Shame and No Decency. I could use that $62 a month back too, As this is an expensive state to live in and No one who gets SSI(Supplemental Security Income) gets Food Stamps.

I don't know what news station you are watching, but Obama and Nancy have done far more in about 18 months than most presidents do in 4 years. That Health care bill and Stimulus bill were loaded with Trojan horses and many will not be felt for years. Did you know that the Health care bill ended private funding of student loans and the only place you can now get a student loan is from the government? That 2000 page bill was a masterpiece of packing a great deal of economic control into one vote. He only need about half a dozen bills to meet his goals and about two more should take care of the rest of his goals. The only thing that slowed Obama down was when the Republicans got the 41st Senator.

No I didn't know that, I'm not a student, But that's politics for You, Sometimes one has to include distasteful stuff to get what one wants, As that's is Democracy, As not everyone will support everything one wants or desires. As to News, Just locals and one from Chicago for Variety, My TV receives only UHF as the stations here are fed by a Satellite Translator as I can't afford a signal from Dish anymore, At least not here, Besides I saved $50 a month by going solo, I'm slowly getting done what I want to do, But then Rome wasn't built in a day. All I knew was that It was for Health Care, Of course the Student Loan thing sounds like an Earmark, Which I was not aware of, I do know Children can or should be able to get Medi-Cal/Medicaid If their parents would otherwise qualify for It now, In 2014 people that have children who get Medi-Cal/Medicaid will finally be eligible, If Republicans were smart they'd repeal the Earmarks like the student loan thing, They might find they have more support than they do now. But in any case Carter did and still does have the record for the most done.

I am sure the students will get more support. It seems the interest from the government is several point higher than private money and the surplus will be used to pay for Obama care.

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Voted already by absentee ballot, Democratic, As I remember too, All of what Meg said is a bald faced lie. Repubs at the higher end just wanted a way to rule, So We put in Term Limits which they admit was a mistake and Prop 13 which gives business a nice tax break as Corporations own the buildings and so they rarely get reassessed when their sold as It's the Corporation that owns the property and It's the Corporation that gets sold, So We pay the rate for whatever Year we bought our homes and they for the most part still pay 1978 levels. And so they found a way to steal power by conning the California Public into doing what the couldn't do honestly, Win the power of a Majority, While being a Minority party.

I voted No  on 20, 23, 26, 27.
I voted Yes on 19, 21, 22, 24, 25.

Go Jerry!

You really should learn more about Fabian Socialism.

Not interested. Most in the US wouldn't know a real Socialist from a hole in the ground and that includes Me. HSR, Being frugal, those are good qualities, Sure He'll spend money if It's worth It as an Investment, But then He has a Harvard Education, Today most Californians are in favor of HSR, Meg isn't, She wants to create jobs by doing nothing and spending nothing, No pain, No gain, So far both have proved that their good at exporting jobs(Carly and Meg), But then both are just Corporate Shills. We don't need Arnold in a skirt, He had no experience and look so does Meg, Most employers want to see experience, Yet the people seem to think cause they don't get all that they want that the worst must be happening and so We have Term Limits and a Republican takeover by a Minority Party that can't gain power the old fashioned way, By earning It.

You don't understand. The american name for Fabian Socialism is progressivism or liberalism. Obama has admitted to being a progressive and Jerry is one. All the people who voted for the bailout and health care are progressives as well. I am not playing favors because some of the Republican including John McCain are progressive Lite. You should be interested in know just what the people you voted for want to do with your life and what they want to make the world look like.

Mind You I had at one time Voted for John McCain when He was liked by Independents, then He turned away from them and I dropped My support. Ok I'll concede that, As I'm a bit of a Progressive and somewhat Conservative as well, Investing in things like HSR does make sense, As It cuts dependence on foreign oil from the middle east and It does/will provide for lots of jobs, both Government and private sector. Obama may be a Progressive, But so far He's acting timid, Even Carter pushed harder than that, As Obama had a solid Majority in Congress and He didn't use It, On the distasteful bailouts, If the Banks went under, Lenders would have the right to Call Mortgages, Even If they weren't behind, Be thankful the Banks and such got help, Me I'm just trying to get a mortgage on a house so that I can quit being a part time home owner(I rent the land under My Mobile Home) and I'm trying to survive as best that I can on what little I get as a Disabled Person who receives SSI, It doesn't hurt that some republican politicians said He gets too much, My check was cut from $907 a month to $845 a month, They have No Shame and No Decency. I could use that $62 a month back too, As this is an expensive state to live in and No one who gets SSI(Supplemental Security Income) gets Food Stamps.

I don't know what news station you are watching, but Obama and Nancy have done far more in about 18 months than most presidents do in 4 years. That Health care bill and Stimulus bill were loaded with Trojan horses and many will not be felt for years. Did you know that the Health care bill ended private funding of student loans and the only place you can now get a student loan is from the government? That 2000 page bill was a masterpiece of packing a great deal of economic control into one vote. He only need about half a dozen bills to meet his goals and about two more should take care of the rest of his goals. The only thing that slowed Obama down was when the Republicans got the 41st Senator.

No I didn't know that, I'm not a student, But that's politics for You, Sometimes one has to include distasteful stuff to get what one wants, As that's is Democracy, As not everyone will support everything one wants or desires. As to News, Just locals and one from Chicago for Variety, My TV receives only UHF as the stations here are fed by a Satellite Translator as I can't afford a signal from Dish anymore, At least not here, Besides I saved $50 a month by going solo, I'm slowly getting done what I want to do, But then Rome wasn't built in a day. All I knew was that It was for Health Care, Of course the Student Loan thing sounds like an Earmark, Which I was not aware of, I do know Children can or should be able to get Medi-Cal/Medicaid If their parents would otherwise qualify for It now, In 2014 people that have children who get Medi-Cal/Medicaid will finally be eligible, If Republicans were smart they'd repeal the Earmarks like the student loan thing, They might find they have more support than they do now. But in any case Carter did and still does have the record for the most done.

I am sure the students will get more support. It seems the interest from the government is several point higher than private money and the surplus will be used to pay for Obama care.

Hopefully Republicans still don't want to repeal Social Security as that would leave a lot of people out in the cold(They did before Eisenhower was elected), But then SS's funded by the FICA tax, What I get(SSI) comes from the general budget, Same place as the military, All thanks to Richard M. Nixon back in 1972, He had a heart, Sure He did some questionable stuff in regards to Watergate, But then He didn't like to lose I think, But then He was known as Tricky Dick, He also liked NASA, But knew It had to be done for less as the country was at war then and both programs were competing for the same money(NASA and the Military, One or the other had to give).

Repealing Social Security is a half lie told by the left. Yes, the Republicans would like to get rid of or at least change Social Security so it is self supporting, but they do understand many people would die without it. Any changes would take place over years and only impact younger people who have the time to adjust to the changes. People on Social Security or near collecting from Social Security would see little change in the program. I don't expect to see much change for the next two years because Obama or the Senate will block almost everything that comes out of the house. I would be very surprised if the Republicans take the Senate and there is no way they will get the 2/3 majority needed to override Obama's veto. I expect Obama to remain on the left and I don't think he will move to the center like Clinton did.

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can you guys please trim!

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Definition of PROGRESSIVE
1a : of, relating to, or characterized by progress b : making use of or interested in new ideas, findings, or opportunities c : of, relating to, or constituting an educational theory marked by emphasis on the individual child, informality of classroom procedure, and encouragement of self-expression
2: of, relating to, or characterized by progression
3: moving forward or onward : advancing
4a : increasing in extent or severity <a progressive disease> b : increasing in rate as the base increases <a progressive tax>
5often capitalized : of or relating to political Progressives
6: of, relating to, or constituting a verb form that expresses action or state in progress at the time of speaking or a time spoken of
7: of, relating to, or being a multifocal lens with a gradual transition between focal lengths<progressive bifocals>
8: or, relating to, or using a method of video scanning (as for television or a computer monitor) in which the horizontal lines of each frame are drawn successively from top to bottom — compare interlaced
— pro·gres·sive·ly adverb
— pro·gres·sive·ness noun
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liberalnoun
Definition of LIBERAL
: a person who is liberal: as a : one who is open-minded or not strict in the observance of orthodox, traditional, or established forms or ways b capitalized : a member or supporter of a liberal political party c : an advocate or adherent of liberalism especially in individual rights
Examples of LIBERAL
a policy that is supported both by liberals and conservatives in Congress

1lib·er·al adj \ˈli-b(ə-)rəl\
Definition of LIBERAL
1a : of, relating to, or based on the liberal arts <liberal education> b archaic : of or befitting a man of free birth
2a : marked by generosity : openhanded <a liberal giver> b : given or provided in a generous and openhanded way <a liberal meal> c : ample, full
3obsolete : lacking moral restraint : licentious
4: not literal or strict : loose <a liberal translation>
5: broad-minded; especially : not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or traditional forms
6a : of, favoring, or based upon the principles of liberalism b capitalized : of or constituting a political party advocating or associated with the principles of political liberalism; especially : of or constituting a political party in the United Kingdom associated with ideals of individual especially economic freedom, greater individual participation in government, and constitutional, political, and administrative reforms designed to secure these objectives

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Could we please have people stop inventing definitions?

Above from Merriam Webster. I will accept other dictionary definitions.
No where does it imply socialist/communist in either progressive or liberal.

They are neither unamerican nor should they be threatening.

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Janice

Could we please have people stop inventing definitions?

I don't invent definitions, I am using what they call themselves. The problem is that the progressive/liberal movement has been like an ice berg for almost 100 years and they are not in the dictionaries and for the most part can't even be found on the web. I had to hit the books to learn anything about them and the best books on it are around 100 year old, out of print and hard to find but there are some good modern books on the subject. Fabian Socialism is on the web because they have been far more open that the American branch. This is mostly because if America truly understood how evil the movement is, they wouldn't want any part of it.
Progressivism was very popular in the early 1900's but people learned about it and shut it down. At that point the progressives went underground and have been chipping away at society for years to get rid of the constitution and enforce their form of socialist government. You will forever be in the dark if you only accept the dictionary meaning of the word because the progressive movement has a history that dates back to Carl Marx and takes several book just to learn the basics.
Even today I find it hard to believe that such a group could exist for so long without the public knowing about it, but part of the reason is that they put themselves in the education system and teach the ideas of socialism without teaching the full history of it. The student walks away with the wonders of socialism without all the evils and they have another convert.

Note: Liberal had a meaning much like what you find in the dictionary before the progressives took it over in the 1920's and used it to hid under. I am not sure why they have started using progressive again, I would have though that they would have used another name instead of using something that had so much traceable history behind it.

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Just because you do not like the definitions, they are there in the dictionary. Making stupid parallels to fringe groups that used the words in history is not "finding the real definition". It is in the dictionary. I even looked it up for you. Progress. Liberty. These are not curse words.

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Janice

Just because you do not like the definitions, they are there in the dictionary. Making stupid parallels to fringe groups that used the words in history is not "finding the real definition". It is in the dictionary. I even looked it up for you. Progress. Liberty. These are not curse words.

Then your dictionary must be right and this guy must be wrong.

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Just because you do not like the definitions, they are there in the dictionary. Making stupid parallels to fringe groups that used the words in history is not "finding the real definition". It is in the dictionary. I even looked it up for you. Progress. Liberty. These are not curse words.

Then your dictionary must be right and this guy must be wrong.

Yes. Dictionary more clearly answers than some conspiracy theorist.

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Janice

Just because you do not like the definitions, they are there in the dictionary. Making stupid parallels to fringe groups that used the words in history is not "finding the real definition". It is in the dictionary. I even looked it up for you. Progress. Liberty. These are not curse words.

Then your dictionary must be right and this guy must be wrong.

Yes. Dictionary more clearly answers than some conspiracy theorist.

Except that's not a theory, it's history from one very sharp writer.

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Just because you do not like the definitions, they are there in the dictionary. Making stupid parallels to fringe groups that used the words in history is not "finding the real definition". It is in the dictionary. I even looked it up for you. Progress. Liberty. These are not curse words.

Then your dictionary must be right and this guy must be wrong.

Yes. Dictionary more clearly answers than some conspiracy theorist.

Except that's not a theory, it's history from one very sharp writer.

*facepalm* The definition remains in the dictionary. Pro gress. Opposite of Regress. Moving forward. Liberal is one who believes in liberty. Trying to turn these terms into dirty words is a poorly thought out political maneuver. And yes there are some sharp writers involved. Does not mean I am going to read their furnace-fodder.

I have a better question.. Why are you against Liberty? Are you a totalitaran?Why are you against progress? Are you a Luddite?

You should be ashamed for not calling yourself a liberal. And why aren't Conservatives for Conservation? Then I could respect the term!

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Janice

*facepalm* The definition remains in the dictionary. Pro gress. Opposite of Regress. Moving forward. Liberal is one who believes in liberty. Trying to turn these terms into dirty words is a poorly thought out political maneuver. And yes there are some sharp writers involved. Does not mean I am going to read their furnace-fodder.

I have a better question.. Why are you against Liberty? Are you a totalitaran?Why are you against progress? Are you a Luddite?

You should be ashamed for not calling yourself a liberal. And why aren't Conservatives for Conservation? Then I could respect the term!

Today a Liberal wants to make my decisions for me on how to spend my charity money, what health care I have, they have decided I am going to support union jobs private and public, they have control my retirement. I don't call that liberty, I call that slavery.

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I presume you will be refusing social security and medicare? And not using public highways? If your home catches fire you will not be calling the fire department? If that is correct then I respect your opinion, although I disagree with it.

If not, it smacks of self serving self contradicting hypocracy.

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Janice

I presume you will be refusing social security and medicare? And not using public highways? If your home catches fire you will not be calling the fire department? If that is correct then I respect your opinion, although I disagree with it.

If not, it smacks of self serving self contradicting hypocracy.

The constitution provides for some of that and the local government for other things. But consider this. If my doctor tells me this I could not use one cent of my government saved retirement money. Yes I will use social security when I am of age (most likely 70) because the money was taken from me making me dependent on the government for my retirement. I am able to save money for my retirement but not nearly enough because of the governments hand in my pocket. I don't like the though but I have been left with little chose in the matter due to a decision made before I was born.

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