Hi
This is probably a dumb question, but today is my day for it so I'll get my money's worth.

I am running a q8200 core 2 quad 2.33 Mhz processor with 3 gig RAM running with a Ge Force 9500 GT graphics card using Direct X version 9. All on XP Pro.

The BIONC Manager I am using ( image attached) shows I have some CUDA23 jobs queued or running. the time to completion is around 2 hours and 20 minutes. 2 weeks ago I had about 30 of these jobs lined up.


However the elapsed time has alway exceeeded the estimated time to completion by over double in many cases. As shown by the first record I should have around 20 mins to go, but instead I have over an hour left.

Normally I am not worried but I had 10 jobs with a deadline if 28 Feb 2010 and these took over 3 days to run and I did not complete them all.

Running 0.08 CPU and a full GPU I should have completed it. Or am I completely missing something in my GPU set up and it's running like a dog?




Thanks

peter

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Just a few questions,

Are you running 24/7? What are you running on your CPUs? Have you cleaned out the dust bunnies lately? Are you running another program or anything else that is eating into your GPU times?

Something is definitely wrong as your 9500 should not be taking that long on a regular work unit.

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Just a few questions,

Are you running 24/7? What are you running on your CPUs? Have you cleaned out the dust bunnies lately? Are you running another program or anything else that is eating into your GPU times?

Something is definitely wrong as your 9500 should not be taking that long on a regular work unit.

Hi
I leavce this unti runnng 24/7 and when I am away or overnight the only things running live is the BOINC and outlook. My virus scanner is also sitting there too.
That's all I have running. There is nothing that uses the GPU apart from BOINC.

To test it I only ran the SETI units an no other ones I am signed up to.

I am glad that I am not the only one thinking that there is something wrong. It's to new a machine to have dust bunnies.

I am at a bit of a loss. Perhaps I need a hammer.....

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It may be worth dropping back to the 191.07 Nvidia drivers. Tend to be a little faster than the newer versions - and the re-load of drivers may be useful in itself...

F.

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You might want to run the CPUID Hardware Monitor, or GPU-Z to Monitor the temps as well,

Claggy

Do you have the boinc manager set to no new tasks for SETI? From what I'm seeing you haven't got any new work since the 13th of January. Could you shut down and restart BOINC Manager and post the first 20 or so messages in your boinc manager so we can get an idea what is going on?

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Verify the 2.3 dlls are present and installed in the Seti projects folder.
Unless you are running the stock Cuda application, then it is my understanding this is done automatically now.

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"Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once."

Mark, he's running stock and the last WUs he got were 6.09 (cuda23)s. He's running the 195.62 driver but it shouldn't effect him that much. Until he posts his messages I'm at a loss as to what to suggest except maybe a detach/reattach.

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Hi everyone
Your help is very much appreciated in getting this resolved.
Here is the message dump you requested.
I would add that even though I have 3 projects SETI Einstein and Climate Prediction Only one of these run at a time as I swap them over on occaisions, which is why you would not any recent WU's



04/03/2010 17:39:56 Starting BOINC client version 6.10.18 for windows_intelx86
04/03/2010 17:39:56 log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task
04/03/2010 17:39:56 Libraries: libcurl/7.19.4 OpenSSL/0.9.8l zlib/1.2.3
04/03/2010 17:39:56 Data directory: C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\BOINC
04/03/2010 17:39:56 Running under account Peter
04/03/2010 17:39:56 Processor: 4 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q8200 @ 2.33GHz [x86 Family 6 Model 23 Stepping 10]
04/03/2010 17:39:56 Processor: 2.00 MB cache
04/03/2010 17:39:56 Processor features: fpu tsc pae nx sse sse2 mmx
04/03/2010 17:39:56 OS: Microsoft Windows XP: Professional x86 Edition, Service Pack 3, (05.01.2600.00)
04/03/2010 17:39:56 Memory: 3.00 GB physical, 4.84 GB virtual
04/03/2010 17:39:56 Disk: 97.65 GB total, 44.52 GB free
04/03/2010 17:39:56 Local time is UTC +0 hours
04/03/2010 17:39:56 NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce 9500 GT (driver version 19675, CUDA version 3000, compute capability 1.1, 1024MB, 104 GFLOPS peak)
04/03/2010 17:39:56 Not using a proxy
04/03/2010 17:39:57 climateprediction.net URL http://climateprediction.net/; Computer ID 1005568; resource share 50
04/03/2010 17:39:57 Einstein@Home URL http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/; Computer ID 2055520; resource share 100
04/03/2010 17:39:57 SETI@home URL http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/; Computer ID 5090025; resource share 100
04/03/2010 17:39:57 SETI@home General prefs: from SETI@home (last modified 27-Sep-2009 11:35:49)
04/03/2010 17:39:57 SETI@home Computer location: work
04/03/2010 17:39:57 General prefs: using separate prefs for work
04/03/2010 17:39:57 Reading preferences override file
04/03/2010 17:39:57 Preferences limit memory usage when active to 614.08MB
04/03/2010 17:39:57 Preferences limit memory usage when idle to 3070.42MB
04/03/2010 17:39:57 Preferences limit disk usage to 14.71GB
04/03/2010 17:39:57 SETI@home Restarting task 30ja07ad.16259.13978.9.10.188_2 using setiathome_enhanced version 603
04/03/2010 17:39:57 SETI@home Restarting task 30ja07ad.22403.3344.15.10.216_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 603
04/03/2010 17:39:57 SETI@home Restarting task 30ja07ad.20774.25021.14.10.82_0 using setiathome_enhanced version 609
04/03/2010 17:39:57 SETI@home Restarting task 27ja07ad.12753.9888.14.10.131_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 603
04/03/2010 17:39:57 SETI@home Restarting task 27ja07ad.12753.9888.14.10.138_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 603

The CPUID Monitor shows

Monitoring
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Mainboard Model G31M-S2L (0x000001F6 - 0x009CE9BC)

LPCIO
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LPCIO Vendor ITE
LPCIO Model IT8718
LPCIO Vendor ID 0x90
LPCIO Chip ID 0x8718
LPCIO Revision ID 0x5
Config Mode I/O address 0x2E
Config Mode LDN 0x4

Hardware Monitors
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Hardware monitor ITE IT87
Voltage 0 1.07 Volts [0x43] (CPU VCORE)
Voltage 1 1.90 Volts [0x77] (DDR)
Voltage 2 3.30 Volts [0xCE] (+3.3V)
Voltage 3 4.95 Volts [0xB8] (+5V)
Voltage 7 12.48 Volts [0xC3] (+12V)
Voltage 8 3.15 Volts [0xC5] (VBAT)
Fan 0 1188 RPM [0x238] (FANIN0)


Hardware monitor Intel Core 2 Quad Q8200
Temperature 0 30°C (85°F) [0x46] (Core #0)
Temperature 3 37°C (98°F) [0x3F] (Core #3)
Temperature 2 37°C (98°F) [0x3F] (Core #2)
Temperature 1 30°C (85°F) [0x46] (Core #1)

Hardware monitor NVIDIA GeForce 9500 GT
Temperature 0 34°C (93°F) (GPU Core)

Hardware monitor SAMSUNG HD103UJ
Temperature 0 19°C (66°F) [0x13] (Assembly)
Temperature 2 17°C (62°F) [0x11] (Air Flow)


Processors
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Number of processors 1
Number of threads 4


Processors Information
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Processor 1 ID = 0
Number of cores 4 (max 4)
Number of threads 4 (max 4)
Name Intel Core 2 Quad Q8200
Codename Yorkfield
Specification Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q8200 @ 2.33GHz
Package (platform ID) Socket 775 LGA (0x4)
CPUID 6.7.A
Extended CPUID 6.17
Core Stepping R0
Technology 45 nm
Core Speed 2000.2 MHz
Multiplier x FSB 6.0 x 333.4 MHz
Rated Bus speed 1333.5 MHz
Stock frequency 2333 MHz
Instructions sets MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, EM64T
L1 Data cache 4 x 32 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L1 Instruction cache 4 x 32 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L2 cache 2 x 2048 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
FID/VID Control yes
FID range 6.0x - 7.0x
Max VID 1.250 V



Graphic APIs
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API NVIDIA NVAPI
API NVIDIA I/O

Display Adapters
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Display adapter 0
Manuf. API index 0
Display name \\.\DISPLAY1
Name NVIDIA GeForce 9500 GT
Revision C1
Codename G96
Technology 65 nm
PCI device bus 1 (0x1), device 0 (0x0), function 0 (0x0)
Vendor ID 0x10DE (0x1458)
Model ID 0x0640 (0x34A9)


Hope that helps

thanks

peter

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Probably a silly question but you did remember to turn off the screensaver?

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Three of the last Four Cuda Wu's your GPU did, have been VLAR (Very Low Angle Range) Wu's, VLAR Wu's are done very inefficiently on a GPU,
taking about 4 times as long as a mid Range WU, you could try using the ReSchedule1.9 program to move the VLAR Wu's to the CPU,
at least now your Cuda Wu's aren't consuming lots of CPU time like earlier.

Claggy

Claggy,
Will the reschedule work with stock apps? Maybe we can get him optimized so he can get some real speed going. Other than that, I was about to point out the same thing about the VLARs. He seems to be about right on the shorty he did and all his temps look good.

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Three of the last Four Cuda Wu's your GPU did, have been VLAR (Very Low Angle Range) Wu's, VLAR Wu's are done very inefficiently on a GPU,
taking about 4 times as long as a mid Range WU, you could try using the ReSchedule1.9 program to move the VLAR Wu's to the CPU,
at least now your Cuda Wu's aren't consuming lots of CPU time like earlier.

Claggy

The reschedule wouldn't work with my stock apps on my Win XP 64, I had a few threads about it. Jason told me the fix I believe.

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Claggy,
Will the reschedule work with stock apps? Maybe we can get him optimized so he can get some real speed going. Other than that, I was about to point out the same thing about the VLARs. He seems to be about right on the shorty he did and all his temps look good.

Yes it should work, there was someone posting on Lunatics with trouble using it with stock apps, but he hadn't done any CPU MB work,
so didn't have the CPU MB section in his client_state.xml, once he'd got some CPU MB work then i think it worked O.K

Claggy

Edit: I'm wrong, It won't work in his case because he's got 6.09 Wu's, it'll only rebrand from 6.08 to 6.03 and Vice Versa.

Hi Hiamps

Not a silly question

I don't use the SETI screensaver. It chews up a lot of processing power so I don't use it.
I also shut the screens down so I dont have them running when I am asleep.


People
Am I to take it from the threads that this is a bit weird?
cheers
thanks
peter

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Not really weird we are just off on a tangent about VLARs again. VLARs are Very Low Angle Range work units and don't run very well on a GPU. This is one you did.. http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=1531703035 and this is another that was about right.. http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=1532157389 The second is a shorty, notice the angle range on it of 1.451042 as compared to the angle range on the first of 0.008436.

(edit) you may want to get optimized too, it really helps with the time it takes to do the work. You can get the package here http://lunatics.kwsn.net/index.php?module=Downloads;catd=9. Find the right unified installer for your computer and it is really easy to set up. You do have to register on the Lunatic's site but it's worth it. If you do get optimized come on back and we can help you get the reschedular too. It sends any VLARs that find their way onto your GPU over to your CPU for processing. Unfortunately it doesn't work with stock apps.

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Ok I have loaded the unified installer

That seems to have done something as it kicked down a whole set of Einstein CUDA jobs that must have been waiting to download even though I had no new tasks set to on.

One is running 1 CPU and 1 GPU and the job has ABP2cuda23 as part of its application name. I have got them all to run to completion hopefully by morning I will have a couple of answers as to the success of that job at least. So far they look to be running in line to the expected original run times

The current SETI jobs are 6 12 and 24 hour ones and not cuda type.

So I doubt I will get a SETI one until this time tomorrow

Cheers

peter


extra: I guess I should update my location to the UK as well

extra extra thingy : If I get my GPU to pump out more it means I can do more processing, but I notice that you guys have a similar machine make up to to me but are getting huge average credits. Are your machines dedicated or is there some multi threading going on?

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Well, the installer shouldn't have any effect on your Einstein tasks, it is only for SETI so I don't know why you would have got those. Something still doesn't look right though. Can you post the first twenty or so of your messages from where you restarted after running the installer? That way we can make sure everything went ok. Oh, and the installer will only help your GPU by loading the work setup from the CPU faster. Where it really shines is the speed of the CPU work units.

As for my machine, no multi-threading going on here. Just my little EMachine dual core Celeron and a 9500GT. Got it optimized and my graphics card is slightly overclocked. My RAC has been as high as ~2200 but it is still trying to play catch up after the big outage.(well, actually, I guess it's my wingmen trying to catch up as I have over 9000 pending! :-) )

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Here we go

04/03/2010 20:41:39 Starting BOINC client version 6.10.18 for windows_intelx86
04/03/2010 20:41:39 log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task
04/03/2010 20:41:39 Libraries: libcurl/7.19.4 OpenSSL/0.9.8l zlib/1.2.3
04/03/2010 20:41:39 Data directory: C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\BOINC
04/03/2010 20:41:39 Running under account Peter
04/03/2010 20:41:39 Processor: 4 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q8200 @ 2.33GHz [x86 Family 6 Model 23 Stepping 10]
04/03/2010 20:41:39 Processor: 2.00 MB cache
04/03/2010 20:41:39 Processor features: fpu tsc pae nx sse sse2 mmx
04/03/2010 20:41:39 OS: Microsoft Windows XP: Professional x86 Edition, Service Pack 3, (05.01.2600.00)
04/03/2010 20:41:39 Memory: 3.00 GB physical, 4.84 GB virtual
04/03/2010 20:41:39 Disk: 97.65 GB total, 44.50 GB free
04/03/2010 20:41:39 Local time is UTC +0 hours
04/03/2010 20:41:39 NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce 9500 GT (driver version 19675, CUDA version 3000, compute capability 1.1, 1024MB, 104 GFLOPS peak)
04/03/2010 20:41:39 SETI@home Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platform
04/03/2010 20:41:39 SETI@home [error] No application found for task: windows_intelx86 609 cuda23; discarding
04/03/2010 20:41:39 SETI@home [error] State file error: result 30ja07ad.20774.25021.14.10.82_0 not found for task
04/03/2010 20:41:39 Not using a proxy
04/03/2010 20:41:39 climateprediction.net URL http://climateprediction.net/; Computer ID 1005568; resource share 50
04/03/2010 20:41:39 Einstein@Home URL http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/; Computer ID 2055520; resource share 100
04/03/2010 20:41:39 SETI@home URL http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/; Computer ID 5090025; resource share 100
04/03/2010 20:41:39 SETI@home General prefs: from SETI@home (last modified 27-Sep-2009 11:35:49)
04/03/2010 20:41:39 SETI@home Computer location: work
04/03/2010 20:41:39 General prefs: using separate prefs for work
04/03/2010 20:41:39 Reading preferences override file
04/03/2010 20:41:39 Preferences limit memory usage when active to 614.08MB
04/03/2010 20:41:39 Preferences limit memory usage when idle to 3070.42MB
04/03/2010 20:41:39 Preferences limit disk usage to 14.73GB
04/03/2010 20:41:40 SETI@home Restarting task 30ja07ad.16259.13978.9.10.188_2 using setiathome_enhanced version 603
04/03/2010 20:41:40 SETI@home Restarting task 30ja07ad.22403.3344.15.10.216_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 603
04/03/2010 20:41:40 SETI@home Restarting task 27ja07ad.12753.9888.14.10.131_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 603
04/03/2010 20:41:40 SETI@home Restarting task 27ja07ad.12753.9888.14.10.138_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 603
04/03/2010 20:41:40 SETI@home Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
04/03/2010 20:41:40 SETI@home Reporting 2 completed tasks, requesting new tasks for GPU



Perhaps my average credit is low as I am nn only machine...


Also for some reason the einstein cuda projects seem to have run overnight with a ave 25 minute difference to the expected completion times.

I now have a SETI WU with cuda so let's see what happens although this one has a 17:27 work time

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Claggy,
Will the reschedule work with stock apps? Maybe we can get him optimized so he can get some real speed going. Other than that, I was about to point out the same thing about the VLARs. He seems to be about right on the shorty he did and all his temps look good.

Yes it should work, there was someone posting on Lunatics with trouble using it with stock apps, but he hadn't done any CPU MB work,
so didn't have the CPU MB section in his client_state.xml, once he'd got some CPU MB work then i think it worked O.K

Claggy

Edit: I'm wrong, It won't work in his case because he's got 6.09 Wu's, it'll only rebrand from 6.08 to 6.03 and Vice Versa.

Took me two months to figure that out...No one here seemed to know.

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