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Message 979094 - Posted: 15 Mar 2010, 19:18:45 UTC - in response to Message 979067.  

Nothing is 'wrong'.

The regular unplanned Weekend-downtime seemlessly blends into the regular planned Tuesday-downtime, we get a couple of days clear uploading and downloading, and the cycle repeats...

This is 'normal'.


S.N.A.F.U. as it were. lol

Could be that some of the hardware is still quirky after the near meltdown the other week.
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Message 979104 - Posted: 15 Mar 2010, 19:56:31 UTC - in response to Message 979071.  

Superficially, everything looks OK - the server status page, the cricket graph, both look OK at a casual glance from the other side of the room. It's only when you look close up, and check the actual figures, that you realise there's something wrong.

Or if you run the project yourself, of course.

Hm, IMO so big drop in uploaded results per hour is very symptomatic even for short glance...
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Message 979110 - Posted: 15 Mar 2010, 20:17:09 UTC

Personally I wouldn't have a problem with the lack of uploads ... I understand things happens ... the problem is when this stuff happens BOINC insists it can't connect to the internet every time the SETI@ site won't connect and popping up message balloons to that effect.
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Message 979111 - Posted: 15 Mar 2010, 20:19:22 UTC

It seems that for the last 12 weeks or so the servers there will not stay online throughout a weekend. Seems Boinc servers require constant human intervention to keep them online for any length of time. Is this indicative of software bugs or other problems with the server side of Boinc?

The lack of information flowing out of Berkeley to us, the workers, is my biggest complaint. But this has been true since the early days of Seti classic. I tire of the arrogance the staff at Berkeley show to us. It would take less than 3 minutes to post a short note on the front page, if the desire was there to do so.

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Message 979122 - Posted: 15 Mar 2010, 21:08:48 UTC - in response to Message 979111.  

This is a SETI@home problem only, not a BOINC problem, because other BOINC project servers works well.

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Message 979125 - Posted: 15 Mar 2010, 21:13:47 UTC - in response to Message 979111.  
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Hi,
IThe lack of information flowing out of Berkeley to us, the workers, is my biggest complaint. But this has been true since the early days of Seti classic.

I do agree ; such things happen, it is not the first time, neither the last time, that the way it works, and it's not really important, "c'est la vie !".
But the lack of informations and communication is not supposed to be so misty - Just an edit somewhere on the front portal could be nice, nobody can believe no-one of berkeley heard about - Or i wanna try the same cocktail they had this week-end :lol: :)

Thanks anyway for what is maintain for years, do you best (but asap ) ;)

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lun. 15 mars 2010 22:17:08 CET|SETI@home|Started upload of 16no09aa.2102.322561.13.10.246_1_0
lun. 15 mars 2010 22:17:08 CET||[http_debug] [ID#69] info: Connection #0 seems to be dead!
lun. 15 mars 2010 22:17:08 CET||[http_debug] [ID#69] info: Closing connection #0
lun. 15 mars 2010 22:17:08 CET||[http_debug] [ID#69] info: About to connect() to setiboincdata.ssl.berkeley.edu port 80 (#0)
lun. 15 mars 2010 22:17:08 CET||[http_debug] [ID#69] info:   Trying 208.68.240.16... 
lun. 15 mars 2010 22:17:08 CET||[http_debug] [ID#69] info: Connected to setiboincdata.ssl.berkeley.edu (208.68.240.16) port 80 (#0)
lun. 15 mars 2010 22:17:08 CET||[http_debug] [ID#69] Sent header to server: POST /sah_cgi/file_upload_handler HTTP/1.1
User-Agent: BOINC client (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu 6.2.14)
Host: setiboincdata.ssl.berkeley.edu
Accept: */*
Accept-Encoding: deflate, gzip
Content-Type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded
Content-Length: 287
lun. 15 mars 2010 22:17:08 CET||[http_debug] [ID#69] info: Empty reply from server
lun. 15 mars 2010 22:17:08 CET||[http_debug] [ID#69] info: Connection #0 to host setiboincdata.ssl.berkeley.edu left intact
lun. 15 mars 2010 22:17:08 CET||[http_debug] HTTP error: Server returned nothing (no headers, no data)
lun. 15 mars 2010 22:17:09 CET||Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site

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Message 979150 - Posted: 15 Mar 2010, 21:51:46 UTC

Has anyone noticed that the "Technical News" section hasn't been updated since Feb. 22nd? What's up with that?
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Message 979153 - Posted: 15 Mar 2010, 21:55:54 UTC - in response to Message 979150.  

Has anyone noticed that the "Technical News" section hasn't been updated since Feb. 22nd? What's up with that?

Matt L did most of that but as he explains here he is taking a break.
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Message 979158 - Posted: 15 Mar 2010, 22:15:58 UTC - in response to Message 979150.  

Has anyone noticed that the "Technical News" section hasn't been updated since Feb. 22nd? What's up with that?


That's 'normal' too!


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Message 979162 - Posted: 15 Mar 2010, 22:19:52 UTC - in response to Message 979110.  
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Personally I wouldn't have a problem with the lack of uploads ... I understand things happens ... the problem is when this stuff happens BOINC insists it can't connect to the internet every time the SETI@ site won't connect and popping up message balloons to that effect.

To eliminate the pop up reminders
Advanced View
Advanced Menu => Options => General Tab => set Network interval reminder slide to 0, click OK.

Edit: This feature is mostly needed by dial-up users that don't have always on connections.

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Message 979164 - Posted: 15 Mar 2010, 22:22:46 UTC - in response to Message 979162.  

Personally I wouldn't have a problem with the lack of uploads ... I understand things happens ... the problem is when this stuff happens BOINC insists it can't connect to the internet every time the SETI@ site won't connect and popping up message balloons to that effect.

To eliminate the pop up reminders
Advanced View
Advanced Menu => Options => General Tab => set Network interval reminder slide to 0, click OK.


Many thanx

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Message 979169 - Posted: 15 Mar 2010, 22:32:03 UTC - in response to Message 979122.  

This is a SETI@home problem only, not a BOINC problem, because other BOINC project servers works well.


Since I only crunch for Seti I was not aware that other projects are working ok.

Then I would guess that the Seti project leaders cannot locate the problem and so are reluctant to state that fact.


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Message 979184 - Posted: 15 Mar 2010, 23:09:30 UTC - in response to Message 979110.  

Personally I wouldn't have a problem with the lack of uploads ... I understand things happens ... the problem is when this stuff happens BOINC insists it can't connect to the internet every time the SETI@ site won't connect and popping up message balloons to that effect.

If you set "Network Reminder Interval" in Advanced > Options to 0 it won't do that.
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Message 979205 - Posted: 15 Mar 2010, 23:46:54 UTC

I'm getting the shakes, too.

But don't forget that seti is not the only thing these guys do. Perhaps today is a big meeting with the Grant Review Board and they feel that getting some money for the project is important. Or perhaps today is the day they have to meet with a group of professors from around the world about remote sensing techniques for penetrating galactic scale molecular clouds. Anyway, this is just one project that they are working on so they may not have been working this problem from 8 to 5 as we might hope.

I really want it working too, but I can live with it no matter when it comes back online. Take a deep breath with me and we'll check back later.

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Message 979206 - Posted: 15 Mar 2010, 23:53:54 UTC - in response to Message 979194.  

Easy on eh? Does an outage really merit that level of vituperation? You know they are certainly aware of it AND are working on it. What more do you need to know until there's clearly something to say?

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Message 979207 - Posted: 15 Mar 2010, 23:54:59 UTC - in response to Message 979194.  
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Well me and my rigs r off, on to a project that actualy cares enuf for the peeps that do FREE work and PAY their electric bils.
All i ever got was emails "pls pls money pls money pls donate pls money"
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Message 979211 - Posted: 16 Mar 2010, 0:05:07 UTC

As the header states.....I don't see any announcments anywhere.
I have around 100 WU's waiting to upload.
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Message 979212 - Posted: 16 Mar 2010, 0:06:28 UTC - in response to Message 979206.  
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You know they are certainly aware of it AND are working on it.

Unfortunately, I was trained as a scientist, not a priest. I need evidence, rather than blind faith, in support of such an assertion. I've been looking for it, and so far I haven't found it.

Bit like SETI itself, really ;-)

Edit - but just as we enter Tuesday UTC, I see the 'Tuesday outage' notice appear on the front page. Does it usually appear as early as this, or is this a sign of life in the server closet?
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Message 979216 - Posted: 16 Mar 2010, 0:15:33 UTC - in response to Message 979211.  

I would try reading other threads first before starting a new one about the same subject.

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Message 979224 - Posted: 16 Mar 2010, 0:23:05 UTC - in response to Message 979212.  

"Unfortunately, I was trained as a scientist, not a priest."

I'm just suggesting we extend a little good will. The opposite approach seems a little churlish to me, that's all. It doesn't take axiomatic proofs to discern that it would be highly improbable they're sitting with their feet up having a laugh, as has been implied.

Personally, I'm trained in the maths. Doesn't mean I don't believe in the best in folks 95% of the time.

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