NEZ - The truth behind the credits... finally revealed.

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hiamps Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 4292 Credit: 72,971,319 RAC: 0	Message 951378 - Posted: 1 Dec 2009, 14:25:46 UTC Wow, so a school helped another school. He probably saved them money...the main problems I ever have with computers usually happens when they are restarting after being shutdown. He probably saved them tons of $200 an hour so called computer experts. I never turn off my machines. Official Abuser of Boinc Buttons... And no good credit hound! ID: 951378 ·

skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9541 Credit: 50,759,529 RAC: 60	Message 951392 - Posted: 1 Dec 2009, 14:59:46 UTC - in response to Message 951378. on the bright side there'll be more WU's for the rest of us now In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope ID: 951392 ·

hiamps Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 4292 Credit: 72,971,319 RAC: 0	Message 951393 - Posted: 1 Dec 2009, 15:01:04 UTC - in response to Message 951392. on the bright side there'll be more WU's for the rest of us now LOL...thats for sure! Official Abuser of Boinc Buttons... And no good credit hound! ID: 951393 ·

perryjay Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 20 Aug 02 Posts: 3377 Credit: 20,676,751 RAC: 0	Message 951395 - Posted: 1 Dec 2009, 15:03:22 UTC Does this mean we're not going to have to worry about a shortage of workunits anymore? :-) Sure hope they let him do a graceful detach before they shut everything down. Would hate to think of all those workunits sitting there waiting to time out. Wonder if there is any way for the SETI team to detach him from their end of the pipe? PROUD MEMBER OF Team Starfire World BOINC ID: 951395 ·

Nick Send message Joined: 16 Oct 09 Posts: 81 Credit: 112,909 RAC: 0	Message 951400 - Posted: 1 Dec 2009, 15:18:57 UTC - in response to Message 951395. Does this mean we're not going to have to worry about a shortage of workunits anymore? :-) Sure hope they let him do a graceful detach before they shut everything down. Would hate to think of all those workunits sitting there waiting to time out. Wonder if there is any way for the SETI team to detach him from their end of the pipe? I would be highly surprised if even 1 computer at the school board there is still crunching SETI; there are probably tens of thousands of detached WUs. His RAC has been plumeting so it looks like the crunching was stopped very soon after he was walked out the door... ID: 951400 ·

DJStarfox Send message Joined: 23 May 01 Posts: 1066 Credit: 1,226,053 RAC: 2	Message 951404 - Posted: 1 Dec 2009, 15:36:14 UTC - in response to Message 951393. on the bright side there'll be more WU's for the rest of us now LOL...thats for sure! Not right away. We'll see how many WU are available in 7 weeks when all of his abandoned tasks expire. ID: 951404 ·

skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9541 Credit: 50,759,529 RAC: 60	Message 951407 - Posted: 1 Dec 2009, 15:38:52 UTC - in response to Message 951404. Last modified: 1 Dec 2009, 15:39:58 UTC he was probably getting massive amounts daily since his RAC was well over 100k and still is after he's been cutoff. I'd say theirs going to be a decent increase in available WU's In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope ID: 951407 ·

hiamps Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 4292 Credit: 72,971,319 RAC: 0	Message 951412 - Posted: 1 Dec 2009, 15:51:28 UTC Hope he had a lot of AP units... Official Abuser of Boinc Buttons... And no good credit hound! ID: 951412 ·

Raistmer Volunteer developer Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 16 Jun 01 Posts: 6325 Credit: 106,370,077 RAC: 121	Message 951418 - Posted: 1 Dec 2009, 16:24:52 UTC Well... it's very sad news actually. I hope those who feel any kind of happiness for "more tasks for others" will rethink their approach a little... It's huge decrease in project performance in first place. Also it shows big change in attitude to project from "officials". On early stage it was honour for company to be SETI sponsor. Now they will pursue for helping SETI... @NEZ Truly hope you will be able to defend yourself! You did great share of work... ID: 951418 ·

hiamps Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 4292 Credit: 72,971,319 RAC: 0	Message 951419 - Posted: 1 Dec 2009, 16:26:33 UTC - in response to Message 951418. Well... it's very sad news actually. I hope those who feel any kind of happiness for "more tasks for others" will rethink their approach a little... It's huge decrease in project performance in first place. Also it shows big change in attitude to project from "officials". On early stage it was honour for company to be SETI sponsor. Now they will pursue for helping SETI... @NEZ Truly hope you will be able to defend yourself! You did great share of work... I think we all feel bad for Nez, just trying to make light of a bad situation. Official Abuser of Boinc Buttons... And no good credit hound! ID: 951419 ·

skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9541 Credit: 50,759,529 RAC: 60	Message 951428 - Posted: 1 Dec 2009, 16:32:16 UTC - in response to Message 951418. Raistmer his main problem was he didnt ask to have BOINC/seti on those computers. Heck I think his profile should be removed and burned in internet effigy. As much as he processed work, he's partly damaged the reputation of BOINC and seti. Even though the Seti/BOINC folks clearly state that users must have permission to run the program some will still see this in part BOINC/Seti's fault. Had he owned or had permission and the district changed its mind I could understand the sadness towards him. He screwed the pooch. In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope ID: 951428 ·

perryjay Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 20 Aug 02 Posts: 3377 Credit: 20,676,751 RAC: 0	Message 951432 - Posted: 1 Dec 2009, 16:38:11 UTC - in response to Message 951419. True, we do feel bad for Nez. Wonder if it was a case of getting permission 10 years ago and now a different administration has called him on it? Probably just stuck his head in the door and asked Hey boss, mind if I run this SETI thing on our computers? And his boss answering Huh? Yeah, yeah, whatever! PROUD MEMBER OF Team Starfire World BOINC ID: 951432 ·

skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9541 Credit: 50,759,529 RAC: 60	Message 951435 - Posted: 1 Dec 2009, 16:41:57 UTC - in response to Message 951432. well the sound of the district rep. is that they were completely unaware of his activities In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope ID: 951435 ·

kittyman Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51477 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004	Message 951436 - Posted: 1 Dec 2009, 16:44:33 UTC Last modified: 1 Dec 2009, 16:45:31 UTC I am not sure I feel bad for NEZ.......... Although those computers did indeed contribute a large amount of computational power to the Seti project.....I hope the bad publicity does not outweigh it in the coming months. I sincerely hope that anybody else in his shoes will rethink what they are doing and set things right. And it sounds like he had more troubles brewing than just running Seti on unauthorized computers. "Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once." ID: 951436 ·

Raistmer Volunteer developer Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 16 Jun 01 Posts: 6325 Credit: 106,370,077 RAC: 121	Message 951443 - Posted: 1 Dec 2009, 16:53:06 UTC - in response to Message 951428. Raistmer his main problem was he didnt ask to have BOINC/seti on those computers. Heck I think his profile should be removed and burned in internet effigy. As much as he processed work, he's partly damaged the reputation of BOINC and seti. Even though the Seti/BOINC folks clearly state that users must have permission to run the program some will still see this in part BOINC/Seti's fault. Had he owned or had permission and the district changed its mind I could understand the sadness towards him. He screwed the pooch. He damaged reputation of district's administration only :P And did free advertisment. Expect new users inflow in coming weeks. ID: 951443 ·

kittyman Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51477 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004	Message 951444 - Posted: 1 Dec 2009, 16:53:57 UTC Last modified: 1 Dec 2009, 16:54:32 UTC A little food for thought for the admins........ Quoting from the Cafe thread on this subject. My response to this post by skildude.... " whats bad for Seti is that they demonize seti as much as the actual perpetrator. Perhaps a call from the seti/BOINC staff to the news sources telling them their rules that were clearly not followed." Actually, a preemptive press release from Seti might be a very good move at this point. It would clarify their position and possibly spin this into a little positive publicity. "Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once." ID: 951444 ·

HAL9000 Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 11 Sep 99 Posts: 6534 Credit: 196,805,888 RAC: 57	Message 951460 - Posted: 1 Dec 2009, 17:30:50 UTC Last modified: 1 Dec 2009, 17:31:10 UTC Depending on the pecking order. As the admin he could have been his call to install/run the software. Buying equipment that was beyond what the school may have needed (spending more tax payer money then needed) is really the only issue I would see. SETI@home classic workunits: 93,865 CPU time: 863,447 hours Join the [url=http://tinyurl.com/8y46zvu]BP6/VP6 User Group[ ID: 951460 ·

1mp0Â£173 Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 8423 Credit: 356,897 RAC: 0	Message 951464 - Posted: 1 Dec 2009, 21:43:58 UTC - in response to Message 951378. Wow, so a school helped another school. He probably saved them money...the main problems I ever have with computers usually happens when they are restarting after being shutdown. He probably saved them tons of $200 an hour so called computer experts. I never turn off my machines. At least one of the articles said that BOINC/SETI@Home interfered with one of the instructional software packages that was used in the classroom. That doesn't have to be true. It was perceived to be a problem, and perception is reality. ID: 951464 ·

hiamps Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 4292 Credit: 72,971,319 RAC: 0	Message 951483 - Posted: 1 Dec 2009, 22:44:12 UTC - in response to Message 951464. [quote] That doesn't have to be true. It was perceived to be a problem, and perception is reality. Isn't that the truth.... Official Abuser of Boinc Buttons... And no good credit hound! ID: 951483 ·

Wembley Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 16 Sep 09 Posts: 429 Credit: 1,844,293 RAC: 0	Message 951495 - Posted: 1 Dec 2009, 23:06:24 UTC This isn't the first time something like this has happened. This is an article about someone getting fired way back in 2001 for installing the distributed.net client at another school: http://openp2p.com/pub/a/p2p/2001/07/10/mcowen.html ID: 951495 ·

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