Still here and still seeing RED. Can't upload, can't download. Works really fine!

I would guess that most users here would agree that a fatter pipe at Berkeley would solve these problems. Too bad that Matt and the gang can't send out a mass email requesting donations specifically for this purpose.

Currently Boinc Stats shows 183,235 active users for Seti/Boinc. Where is my slide rule??? Ok, if the active users were to donate $5.00 each, that's a bit over $916,000 USD. Certainly that's enough to get it done even if you have to bribe some people. If just 50% of the active users donated it's still $458,000.

Anyone thinking along these lines besides me? Or are we going to continue as is until enough people get fustrated and drop out? Is there any way to mark a donation for a project such as this? Many questions need to be asked and answered but we should be able to do this. It is our hobby and currently this hobby is fustrating as far as Seti is concerened.

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Throughout the history of the Seti project the guys at Berkeley have been bumping their heads against problems, solving them only to bump into another problem. This time it's going to take some money to solve this problem and the project has none. It can only come from us.

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I personally can't (in good conscience) see myself donating any more than I already am. There simply comes a time when the 'project' has to figure things out.

I am not saying I am special, by any means, because there are many people who's crunch-budgets dwarf mine (from a purpose built hardware standpoint).

I figure that my CPU Cycle 'donation' more than clears any 'karma-tic' problems that may have given me problems in life (or the afterlife for that matter) ;)

One can only add so many additional upper floors onto a house built on wooden stilts and eventually may need to re-evaluate and perhaps restructure accordingly.

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formerly known as...MC Hammer.

So you would not make a one time donation of $5.00 to make sure your computers can download and upload their work?

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I personally can't (in good conscience) see myself donating any more than I already am. There simply comes a time when the 'project' has to figure things out.

I am not saying I am special, by any means, because there are many people who's crunch-budgets dwarf mine (from a purpose built hardware standpoint).

I figure that my CPU Cycle 'donation' more than clears any 'karma-tic' problems that may have given me problems in life (or the afterlife for that matter) ;)

One can only add so many additional upper floors onto a house built on wooden stilts and eventually may need to re-evaluate and perhaps restructer accordingly.

Fixing the problems at Berkeley take $, not CPU cycles.

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So you would not make a one time donation of $5.00 to make sure your computers can download and upload their work?

Yes, I most likely would - as long as it was (as you said) a 'marked' donation (with a single purpose ?) ? ......not simply a donation to disapear into the overall 'pot'.

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I am TCP JESUS...The Carpenter Phenom Jesus....and HAMMERING is what I do best!
formerly known as...MC Hammer.

There you go!!

Now we just need a lot of friends to join us!

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There you go!!

Now we just need a lot of friends to join us!

If a side initiative started up under the heading "BUY SETI@HOME A FULL GIGABIT LINE" .......then I would probably even donate $10 ;)

Unfortunately, I don't think that is possible.......

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I am TCP JESUS...The Carpenter Phenom Jesus....and HAMMERING is what I do best!
formerly known as...MC Hammer.

One can only add so many additional upper floors onto a house built on wooden stilts and eventually may need to re-evaluate and perhaps restructure accordingly.

More like a tent. Something with a wooden floor would be an upgrade.

The amount suggested is pretty small. What's the worst that could happen? You'd lose $10?

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Personally I would probably make my largest donation yet to a project of this type. This should be do-able!

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I am all for it......but like I said, a PURPOSE-GIVEN Donation. Not simply something (a donation) that can be redirected to a new project segment, when current infrastructure is hurting so badly.

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I am TCP JESUS...The Carpenter Phenom Jesus....and HAMMERING is what I do best!
formerly known as...MC Hammer.

I would change the donation page to include radio buttons, but sort it like this:

* Salaries
* SATA Drives
* Web Facing Server
* CPU for Web Facing Server
* HDD for Web Facing Server
* Motherboard for Web Facing Server
* Chassis for Web Facing Server
* Gigabit Line
* Near Time Persistency Checker compute server
* CPU
* Single Core
* Dual Core
* Quad Core
* HDD
* Motherboard
* Chassis
* Anything

And do it like that. ALL of those *s are selectable. You can be as vague or as specific as you want. You could say you want your money to go to the Checker, or you can say you want it to go to a Quad core CPU for the checker.

That's not exhaustive, I know we can get a lot more specific.

Good idea?


(EDIT: .... When you look at the post, it doesn't have the nesting I did. If you have edit functionality (don't know if quote will show it right), please look at the post in the edit window, so you can see the nesting I did.)

As UCB get's a percentage of the donations to Seti this would probably have to be seperated from UCB so that SETI get's the full value of each donation.

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I am all for it......but like I said, a PURPOSE-GIVEN Donation. Not simply something (a donation) that can be redirected to a new project segment, when current infrastructure is hurting so badly.

There are lots of things that could happen if they just had more money.

Perhaps they could hire someone (short term) to sort out the latest donation from Intel, and better/faster servers would help with the whole infrastructure problem.

As I read the donation page, $118807.24 has been donated in the past year.

That won't cover salary, office space and benefits for two workers.

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As UCB get's a percentage of the donations to Seti this would probably have to be seperated from UCB so that SETI get's the full value of each donation.

Then they would lose support from UCB, I think.

I know Google (used to, at least) supported Folding@home (I know because it fried my laptop.... cursor with red lines... grrrr), but if Google no longer supports them, SETI might be able to appeal to them for some help (and maybe some link time below the search box).

As UCB get's a percentage of the donations to Seti this would probably have to be seperated from UCB so that SETI get's the full value of each donation.

Then they would lose support from UCB, I think.

I know Google (used to, at least) supported Folding@home (I know because it fried my laptop.... cursor with red lines... grrrr), but if Google no longer supports them, SETI might be able to appeal to them for some help (and maybe some link time below the search box).

Probably right. Have to keep UCB in the loop since it is their property.

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Not to kill the interest but if I remember correct, there was some issue from above that made it difficult to target donations for specific purposes.

Geek--I am looking into this starting Monday and will specifically request Eric and/or Matt get involved in this discussion.

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A nonprofit can't ask for help from the government, I don't think, and I don't want SETI being part of the economic problem.

I would never suggest extra features in the program for donations, and making the project a pay-only would ruin the entire purpose.

Mass e-mailing is always an option, but that does not prod people to donate any more than these posts.

We are running out of options, and people are leaving fast.

As UCB get's a percentage of the donations to Seti this would probably have to be seperated from UCB so that SETI get's the full value of each donation.

Then they would lose support from UCB, I think.

I know Google (used to, at least) supported Folding@home (I know because it fried my laptop.... cursor with red lines... grrrr), but if Google no longer supports them, SETI might be able to appeal to them for some help (and maybe some link time below the search box).

Probably right. Have to keep UCB in the loop since it is their property.

For their "cut" they provide real-estate, power, cooling, health benefits, and at the moment, it appears that they're also making up for any shortfall in fundraising.

I don't think under the circumstances it'd be in our best interest to try to bypass UCB.

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Not to kill the interest but if I remember correct, there was some issue from above that made it difficult to target donations for specific purposes.

Geek--I am looking into this starting Monday and will specifically request Eric and/or Matt get involved in this discussion.

Thanks Blurf.

Yea, I remember something along the same lines as you. But if there were enough interest in doing this project, UCB might have problems turning down their percentage of the take and change their mind. The economy in California has certainly changed since this was brought up before.

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Microwave link direct to offsite direct to the ISP hookup?

There is reasonably priced Gigabit uWave kit...

(And avoid some very expensive bureaucracy!)

Keep searchin',
Martin

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