I give up on Americans and the hope for universal single payer healthcare in America.
If you guys can't get your shite together enough for something this important then you are a lost cause.
You may as well just bend over and offer up your rumps to the corporations right now.
What a sad sack bunch you've become since the revolution.

So don't bitch at me for saying this, instead just shut up and take what your masters are giving.

OH CANADA

PS: Those of you living near the border, please stop coming across for free medical treatments and cheaper prescription drugs. I think it's time WE built a damned wall on the border.

I'm glad you do not speak of all Canadians. You sound hostile.

and he's quite reasonably so. we are getting blindsided by special interest(insurance copmpanies) with out and out lies about what is going to be put into this. I get tired of explaining to folks that Rush, oreilly, and hannity are not credible sources. At best they are unsources. heck for realities sake listen to them and then be assured that the opposite is true.

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Diogenes Of Sinope

and he's quite reasonably so. we are getting blindsided by special interest(insurance copmpanies) with out and out lies about what is going to be put into this. I get tired of explaining to folks that Rush, oreilly, and hannity are not credible sources. At best they are unsources. heck for realities sake listen to them and then be assured that the opposite is true.

Ok, perhaps the problem is communication? If we do not get clear and accurate information from the administration as to what is going to be in the bill, those who are opposed can speculate to their liking and "scare" people into believing that the president wants to kill granny, etc (which is crazy). We need enough congressmen to come together with a bill they agree on and get it passed. The longer this drags on the less likely we will see anything passed.

Lastly, people are afraid of change. If people are not sure how a particular bill will impact them, they are opposed to it. Which is why we need better communication.

That a nation would entrust their very lives to corporate pigs and profiteers astounds me.
This was the once in a century opportunity to sieze control of your health and well being away from those who would profit from your misery and pain.

It really doesn't matter to me personally, I have no dog in this fight, but I was excited at the prospect of Americans finally realizing the oppressive heel of the corporate master doesn't have to be on their throats.
I have universal single payer healthcare. No one tells me where to seek medical attention. No one tells me which doctor to see. No one throws me out of my house because of medical debts.
No one decides that treating me will be too expensive and drops me from my coverage.

Your "leaders" are cowards. Your "leaders" have been bought and very few of you seem to get it.
Business as usual.

That a nation would entrust their very lives to corporate pigs and profiteers astounds me.
This was the once in a century opportunity to sieze control of your health and well being away from those who would profit from your misery and pain.

It just so happens people in the US trust doctors and their current insurance providers more than they trust the government. It might be a long time before we have single payer healthcare here. Perhaps our goverment has lied to us too many times?

That a nation would entrust their very lives to corporate pigs and profiteers astounds me.
This was the once in a century opportunity to sieze control of your health and well being away from those who would profit from your misery and pain.

It just so happens people in the US trust doctors and their current insurance providers more than they trust the government. It might be a long time before we have single payer healthcare here. Perhaps our goverment has lied to us too many times?

The fear campaign is proving successful. The public opinion of a public healthcare option while leaving the private sector intact is dismal... and worse than that if you bring up the words, "single payer".

Many Americans are willing to protest for and defend the very system that keeps them down. It's astonishing.

That a nation would entrust their very lives to corporate pigs and profiteers astounds me.
This was the once in a century opportunity to sieze control of your health and well being away from those who would profit from your misery and pain.

It just so happens people in the US trust doctors and their current insurance providers more than they trust the government. It might be a long time before we have single payer healthcare here. Perhaps our goverment has lied to us too many times?

The fear campaign is proving successful. The public opinion of a public healthcare option while leaving the private sector intact is dismal... and worse than that if you bring up the words, "single payer".

Many Americans are willing to protest for and defend the very system that keeps them down. It's astonishing.

This is due to a lack of communication. Why would people support a bill they do not understand?

Recall attempts to 'fix' social security. Fear mongers got to senior citizens and public support dropped like a rock.

whats to understand. the plan is to create a public plan and reduce the control over my health by corporate insurance companies. WHats not to like? lower prices and no more denial of coverage? I'll repeat this and type it slowly for the folks that don't read very well.

The Health Insurance industry is bleeding America dry. Taking my heathcare our of corporate for profit hands is a good thing. The Insurance industry claims $280 BILLION in profits last year. this is a sick number for people that now get to choose whether they get their meds for the month or eat for the month. they claim 1/6 of our economy. Thats stupendously sick. My health care is considered part of the economy. that's sick. Attempting to get people to believe they'd be put up for death panels and other malarkey is sick. If they were so concerned with healthcare they'd quit wasting all my money that I spend on Insurance by throwing money at false ads and foolish congressmen and cover my bills when I have then. Did I mention they made $280 BILLLION last year. Funny how my rates always seem to go up and their profit keep going up as well. Shame on the American public, Shameon our representatives, and shame on the Insurance industry that just can't get our money fast enough. Talk about addicts.

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In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face.
Diogenes Of Sinope

That a nation would entrust their very lives to corporate pigs and profiteers astounds me.
This was the once in a century opportunity to sieze control of your health and well being away from those who would profit from your misery and pain.

It just so happens people in the US trust doctors and their current insurance providers more than they trust the government. It might be a long time before we have single payer healthcare here. Perhaps our goverment has lied to us too many times?

The fear campaign is proving successful. The public opinion of a public healthcare option while leaving the private sector intact is dismal... and worse than that if you bring up the words, "single payer".

Many Americans are willing to protest for and defend the very system that keeps them down. It's astonishing.

This is due to a lack of communication. Why would people support a bill they do not understand?

Recall attempts to 'fix' social security. Fear mongers got to senior citizens and public support dropped like a rock.

Government does a lot of stuff really bad. They also do a lot of things really well. I don't think I need to give examples of each.

The typical American doesn't trust their government, so when it hits home (not a war in a foreign land, not a severance tax on mineral companies, not a partisan complaint about filibustering), they tend to take interest. The default position of many people here is distrust of government. So now that someone's healthcare is being considered at the government level, there is fear. The right knew about these fears, and exploited them successfully.

The same people that are upset about the post office having a shortfall don't even think of the roads they drive on, the police, fire department, or their ability to use a court to rectify legal disputes... because they take these things for granted. Government intervention = bad to these narrow minded folks. To me, government intervention could be bad or good. But the Republicans that stress smaller government, have a constituent base that feels the way they do only insofar as their doubt to government control; and the GOP exploited their contituents and ran with it.

This is not a case of people, "not understanding" healthcare reform. This is a case of classic indoctrination and fear mongering. Someone that doesn't understand is on the fence. Someone that fights, protests, and hatemongers over this tooth is nail is either a tool or a criminal; they are not on the fence. This is not a lack of communication; as a matter of fact, the right has communicated to their constituents quite well, albeit with intellectual dishonesty.

Those 'evel' insurrance companies are going to pay! Wait... scratch that.

Pelosi’s ‘Immoral’ Insurers May Gain From 10 Million Customers

By Alex Nussbaum

Sept. 11 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. health-care overhaul proposed in Congress will do more than impose greater controls on private insurers. It will also swell their profits.

New legislation may generate 10 million added customers for Amerigroup Corp.,UnitedHealth Group Inc. and other companies that administer Medicaid, the government plan that covers the poorest Americans, according to James Carlson, Amerigroup’s chief executive officer. Molina Healthcare Inc.’s Medicaid enrollment may jump by 43 percent, CEO J. Mario Molina said. WellPoint Inc., the largest U.S. insurer, may also gain.

Behold the corporate control of the very function of government.
The issue of universal single payer healthcare has evolved into more profit for the HMO industry.

They went from facing extinction to a position where the government will be legislating more people into the present "for profit" system.

But those businesses in cooperation with medicaid are already in the public sector. There is no doubt that the private industry will take a big hit if there's a public option. That one or two stand to gain a bit on the public option would not represent the industry as a whole. Let's be honest; if the public option was going to swell the profits of the private healthcare sector, there would be no debate, and the Republicans would support the initiative.

But the choice is clear; continue to support the private insurers or allow people access to healthcare. The latter will hurt the private industry overall, and I'm all for that.

Let's be clear about "not-for-profit" status. That means NOTHING. Blue Cross Blue Shield, and Kaiser Permanente; the biggest insurers in the US are listed as not-for-profit. Therefore, if government wanted to establish not-for-profit coops for transparency, then they can just use the current system with KP and BCBS.

Wanted to add; all not-for-profit really means is that profits are not dispersed to shareholders so there is no public investment, and they must allow the board of directors to be elected to their positions by the members. There are some minor details but that's pretty much it. They make hundreds of millions a year in revenue but call themselves not-for-profit; the term is a misnomer.