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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20383 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
From the latest 'dialogue' with the Chinese officials, it looks like the Chinese cultural POGROM to blithely eradicate the Tibetan culture (and it's native people?) is to continue unabated... So... Does anyone care? So what? Regards, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
MrGray Send message Joined: 17 Aug 05 Posts: 3170 Credit: 60,411 RAC: 0 |
I buy from this man which at least gets money to the poor in Tibet: http://www.baronet4tibet.com/ Petitions don't get anything done and not enough people care to save the Tibetans. It's another sign when the most enlightened culture on the planet is allowed to pass into shadow. . "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss |
Clyde C. Phillips, III Send message Joined: 2 Aug 00 Posts: 1851 Credit: 5,955,047 RAC: 0 |
Can't the UN do anything? |
MrGray Send message Joined: 17 Aug 05 Posts: 3170 Credit: 60,411 RAC: 0 |
The UN told Israel to end the occupation of Palestine 40 years ago and that didn't work. They couldn't care less about Tibet. . "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20383 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Can't the UN do anything? It's all a balance of "politics". A population of an average sized western city spread over an area greater than the size of China itself... You do the math for density and military capability. Perhaps the best option is to follow a part of the Tibetan philosophy itself and attempt to educate and enlighten the Chinese leadership and people. Some brazen and very embarrassing advertising of the Chinese atrocities may well help. The greatest question is why the Chinese are so very afraid of accepting even just a very small part of a cosmopolitan mix? The Tibetans are very few and the philosophy/religion very peaceful. Why can they not be left to continue to exist and to exist in peace? Their continued existence in Tibet is very dependent on the awareness and the pressure that can be brought to bear from outside of Tibet... The Chinese irrational intransigence may well make for the most difficult Olympics yet. They already have achieved the first ever of the flame needing to be relit. A few times over! It's all up to us, and the Chinese authorities. Regards, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Aristoteles Doukas Send message Joined: 11 Apr 08 Posts: 1091 Credit: 2,140,913 RAC: 0 |
this has been going some forty years now, good that we care about it now. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20383 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
this has been going some forty years now, good that we care about it now. Some people do care. What is needed is more people to notice and to care and to make some sort of noise about it... Take a look to see what can be done... Regards, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Rush Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 3131 Credit: 302,569 RAC: 0 |
Some people do care. You should go march around in Trafalgar Square or in Parliament Square and yell a bunch of slogans and stuff. Hold up some signs about how you're fed up and you damn hell ass aren't going to take it anymore. That's been EXTREMELY effective in recent... oh, wait, no it hasn't. Cordially, Rush elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com Remove the obvious... |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20383 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Some people do care. Looks like the usual negative cynicism... Instead, have you any positive practical ideas? Any ideas at all? If not, you could take a look at the links already posted for inspiration. You could even help and try making a positive noise yourself rather than always fatalistically and lazily just "passing the buck". I guess you're happy to just roll over and die and wait for someone else or the government to bury you?... Regards, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Rush Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 3131 Credit: 302,569 RAC: 0 |
Some people do care. It's not cynicism--it's a comment on the complete and utter ineffectiveness of one particular tactic. One that convinces the participants that they've "done something" when in fact they have done nothing at all. This takes away from the effective ideas, because people have already shown that they care. Instead, have you any positive practical ideas? Any ideas at all? Sure. Write letters. Custom ones, written personally, and not cut and pasted from some website or emailed. Raise money and run advertising. That's extremely expensive, but corporations do it every day--it's likely the most effective way to get people to put their money where their mouth is. If not, you could take a look at the links already posted for inspiration. See the above for two ideas. You could even help and try making a positive noise yourself rather than always fatalistically and lazily just "passing the buck". I'm not passing the buck, in fact, I did EXACTLY what you did. Posted here. Oh look, I'm raising awareness. I will not lift a finger beyond this thread, and guess what, neither will 99.999999999999999999% of the people that read it. I guess you're happy to just roll over and die and wait for someone else or the government to bury you?... I have no idea what this sentence means in context. There are hundreds of millions, if not billions of people all around the world that are in dire straits--mostly because people like you think it's OK to initiate force against them. Cordially, Rush elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com Remove the obvious... |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20383 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
From the latest 'dialogue' with the Chinese officials, it looks like the Chinese cultural POGROM to blithely eradicate the Tibetan culture (and it's native people?) is to continue unabated... Amidst all the pomp of the Chinese show and spectacle, and the Russian invasion into Georgia: What of Tibet and the Tibetans? Anything at all? Regards, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Jeffrey Send message Joined: 21 Nov 03 Posts: 4793 Credit: 26,029 RAC: 0 |
I guess you're happy to just roll over and die Yes, I am... 'cause I've been around long enough to know that nothing will ever change... ;) (The poor can't do anything, the rich won't do anything, and the 'empty words' just irritate the heck out of me.) It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . . |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20383 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
From the latest 'dialogue' with the Chinese officials, it looks like the Chinese cultural POGROM to blithely eradicate the Tibetan culture (and it's native people?) is to continue unabated... The Olymics and fireworks have been and gone. Anything heard of Tibet? What next?... Keep searchin', Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
fpiaw Send message Joined: 29 Dec 99 Posts: 236 Credit: 1,203,409 RAC: 0 |
This makes me so sad. The way the world acts these days. When Russia did it to eastern Europe in the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s it was called the Iron Curtain. But when communist China does it ... well, we get our walmart stuff from there so we better not say anything. Whats next ... Taiwan or Mongolia? You know I hate to say this but dealing with the China trade is one reason gas is so high these days. We all know that resources are limited on this planet. When we began moving our factories over there to get cheap labor they started using more and more fuel. Now from what I read they are trading in their bikes for cars and using more gas. So we still get the "cheap" goods in our stores, but have to pay 4 dollars a gal for gas to get to the stores. Great Idea. Now I love free trade ... but it needs limits. Only free trade with democracies and a trade agreement with each country. And only free trade with countries with similar standards of living ... to prevent dumping of cheap or slave labor goods on our markets. Their is only about 200 countries in the world that we would want to trade with. We should have a treaty with each one, not a one size fits all agreement. And now with Russia playing by the old rules ... I am worried that China will side with them. They way it sides with North Korea and Iran. And helps keep the violence going in Africia. Chris. |
Yon Send message Joined: 21 Aug 08 Posts: 39 Credit: 19,892 RAC: 0 |
Chinese people under communism will seeing what anything western's act as the wrong and alway stand behind Russian,these is the most seriously problem.They are not supporting terrorism but they looking they(terrorist)as their "aliance"which anti-western.Tibetant should having their power same as the HongKong and Taiwan,they have own politics and religion believe,even their have own flag,that what i suppose to.But remember,Tibetant were also Chinese ,one of the 57etnic of China.Whe have no evidence show that "Chinese cultural(not communism) program to blithely eridicate the Tibetan culture",even western cultural more influence than this(politic). æ„›ï¹Âä»Âï¹Âå¿Âï¹Âå–„ï¹Â勇 Any people can sense their die just a couple of their live |
mo.v Send message Joined: 7 May 08 Posts: 92 Credit: 5,382 RAC: 0 |
A fundamental problem is that the UN and international law have two premises or goals. They recognise the sovereign nature of states with their current borders and also promote the right to self-determination of peoples. These two premises are in many cases incompatible and there's no international body set up to reconcile them. For example, in the Basque and Catalan regions of Spain a majority of the population may well wish to secede from Spain. (To my knowledge they've never been asked whether they wish to express their right to self-determination in this way.) If either or both confirmed a majority in favour of secession and then seceded unilaterally, should the UN support their right to self-determination, or should it support Spain's right to maintain its current borders? In the case of Tibet which is an annexed state that has de facto become a minority region of China, what will happen if and when Chinese Han immigrants eventually constitute the majority of the population there? The majority of the population of Tibet might then want to remain within the Chinese state. I don't agree with the view expressed in a previous post that a particular culture is the most enlightened on the planet. I don't think there's a monopoly of virtue or enlightenment anywhere. But it's very sad that the current 'Might is Right' status quo continues in so many countries, with monolithic states attempting to preserve their own monolithic nature at all costs. It's also very sad that hypocrisy currently rules triumphant, with for example many states recognising the secession of Kosovo from Serbia while apparently supporting Georgia's attempt to prevent the secession of South Ossetia, or Russia supporting the secession of South Ossetia from Georgia while refusing to allow the secession of Chechnya from Russia, or Spain objecting to Gibraltar's status as a foreign enclave while maintaining its own enclaves of Ceuta and Melilla within Morocco, or Morocco objecting to these enclaves while annexing the supposedly independent Western Sahara. In the case of Tibet, whose native inhabitants currently have no international voice apart from that of the Dalai Lama, the very least we can do is to speak up on their behalf at every opportunity. |
fpiaw Send message Joined: 29 Dec 99 Posts: 236 Credit: 1,203,409 RAC: 0 |
Nice Post. A fundamental problem is that the UN and international law have two premises or goals. They recognise the sovereign nature of states with their current borders and also promote the right to self-determination of peoples. These two premises are in many cases incompatible and there's no international body set up to reconcile them. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20383 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
From the latest 'dialogue' with the Chinese officials, it looks like the Chinese cultural POGROM to blithely eradicate the Tibetan culture (and it's native people?) is to continue unabated... Looks like more of the same... Stifling Tibetan voices While the Olympic games reach their climax, Tibet is in lockdown, amid dire warnings of repression to come With the very apt summary of the world politics view of Tibet given a few post before this one, so who does care? At least our comment is 'free'. Regards, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20383 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
"Six months after ... armed police clamp down in Lhasa Residents unwilling to speak ..." Lhasa, Tibet "The monks in the monasteries are very happy and grateful with the government policies and care," said Qiang Qiong Ci Wang at the religious and ethnic affairs bureau. Asked what happened to 30 lamas at the Jokhang temple, who made headlines around the world in March by disrupting an official tour and telling reporters they had no religious freedom, he said he had not even heard of the incident. At the time, officials said the monks would not be punished. No one has been able to speak to them since. Security in nearby provinces, which also saw Tibetan unrest in March, is generally lighter than in Tibet. Yet many people in Qinghai remain too scared to talk. But one lama said grievances over discrimination had erupted into open clashes, raids on monasteries and mass detentions even before March. "We Tibetans don't have freedom - we don't have the right even to express one word, ..." So what?... And so unnecessary... Regards, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20383 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
"Six months after ... armed police clamp down in Lhasa And more recently: Dalai Lama 'gives up' I guess the Chinese have the power to do as they please, including cultural POGROM. So what?... ! See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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