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MrGray Send message Joined: 17 Aug 05 Posts: 3170 Credit: 60,411 RAC: 0 |
Since they refuse to show the American people and the world the videos of the Pentagon strike I call foul. Nothing to hide? Then show us. I think you may have seen the "official" released video that's more of a picture show than a true video? Maybe every 50th frame? That's what's weird about all this. They take the videos from the hotel and gas station and lose the pentagon camera videos too? Can ya smell it? . "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss |
Dominique Send message Joined: 3 Mar 05 Posts: 1628 Credit: 74,745 RAC: 0 |
Since they refuse to show the American people and the world the videos of the Pentagon strike I call foul. Nothing to hide? Then show us. Oh for crying out loud, JUST DRINK the Kool-Aid. |
MrGray Send message Joined: 17 Aug 05 Posts: 3170 Credit: 60,411 RAC: 0 |
Since they refuse to show the American people and the world the videos of the Pentagon strike I call foul. Nothing to hide? Then show us. I liked Kool-Aid but this one's poop flavored! :D . "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
Since they refuse to show the American people and the world the videos of the Pentagon strike I call foul. Nothing to hide? Then show us. Given that people like eye witness accounts, here's one from Mike Walter, the man who saw a "cruise missile with wings" (at least that's what you'll read in the French account). And here you'll find several pictures of debris. As for footage of the collision, there's some out there, including this. Not the best of angles, but it is a running camera (as opposed to stop motion). I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
MrGray Send message Joined: 17 Aug 05 Posts: 3170 Credit: 60,411 RAC: 0 |
Since they refuse to show the American people and the world the videos of the Pentagon strike I call foul. Nothing to hide? Then show us. Thanks bobby, I'd like to see more. The pentagon has a plethora of cameras with many on the side hit. The angle of that hotel video should show an object flying in from right to left. I found this link parallel to the video you posted: http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/ Members: Robert Balsamo 4000TT Commercial, Instrument, Multi, CFI II MEI Corporate Chief Pilot 135 Capt 121 FO Independence Air/Atlantic Coast Airlines King Air C-90/200, Dornier 328JET Captain Russ Wittenberg (ret) 30,000+ Total Flight Time 707, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, 777 Pan Am, United United States Air Force (ret) Over 100 Combat Missions Flown Has time in: - N591UA (Aircraft dispatched as United 93) - N612UA (Aircraft dispatched as United 175) Captain Ross Aimer UAL Ret. CEO, Aviation Experts LLC 40 years and 30,000 hrs. BS Aero A&P Mech. B-777/767/757/747/737/727/720/707, DC-10/-9/-8 Type ratings Command time in: - N591UA (Aircraft dispatched as United 93) - N612UA (Aircraft dispatched as United 175) www.AviationExperts.com John Lear Son of Bill Lear (Founder, creator of the Lear Jet Corporation) More than 40 years of Flying 19,000+ TT 23 Type ratings Flight experience includes 707, DC-8, 727, L10-11 Jeff Latas -Over 20 years in the USAF --USAF Accident investigation Board President --Flew the F-111, T38, and F-15E --Combat experience in the F-15E includes Desert Storm and four tours of duty in Northern and Southern Watch --Weapons Requirements Officer, USAF HQ, Pentagon --Standard and Evaluations Flight Examiner, Command level -Currently Captain for JetBlue Airways Guy S. Razer, LtCol, USAF (Ret) 3,500+ Hours Total Flight Time F-15E/C, F-111A/D/E/F/EF, F-16, F-18, B-1, Mig-29, SU-22, T-37/38, Various Cvilian Prop Combat Time: Operation Northern Watch USAF Fighter Weapons School Instructor NATO Tactical Leadership Program Instructor/Mission Coordinator USAF Material Command Weapons Development Test Pilot Combat Support Coordination Team 2 Airpower Coordinator, South Korea All Service Combat Identification Evaluation Team Operations Officer Boeing F-22 Pilot Instructor MS Aeronautical Studies, Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University Field McConnell (Captain Sherlock?) 23,000+ hours CV580,DC9,MD80,B727,A320,DC10 NCA,REP,NWA A4,F4,F16 USN,USMC, ND ANG www.captainsherlock.com Forced to retire due 9/11 exposure www.hawkscafe.com Captain Paul A. 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Rush Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 3131 Credit: 302,569 RAC: 0 |
Since they refuse to show the American people and the world the videos of the Pentagon strike I call foul. Nothing to hide? Then show us. If I were in charge of an eventual trial, I wouldn't show you the evidence either. Why? Several reasons: 1) I wouldn't want to play my hand before it came to trial. 2) I would want to avoid such evidence being thrown out for being too prejudicial. 3) I would want to try the case in/around the nation's capital and I would not want to fuel a motion for change of venue. Sick of the "truthers"? Then show us. I would never show you, ever. Well, until it came to trial. 1) I have nothing to gain. Even if I showed it, most of the kooks will believe what they want to believe, as has been evidenced in this thread. 2) I couldn't care less what you people think. I don't care about all the silly web sites, or the Pilots/Military Commanders/Engineers/Any Group of Tools Here For 911 Truth. Cordially, Rush elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com Remove the obvious... |
Rush Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 3131 Credit: 302,569 RAC: 0 |
The angle of that hotel video should show an object flying in from right to left. I found this link parallel to the video you posted: >snip idiotically long paste of the members< Too bad none of them have any smoking guns either. Do you think if next time you post a list that is twice as long that that will constitute any more evidence than the zero that this list presented? Cordially, Rush elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com Remove the obvious... |
MrGray Send message Joined: 17 Aug 05 Posts: 3170 Credit: 60,411 RAC: 0 |
Eventual trial is a good thought, And hiding info from the people that trust and fund you is a great reason to litigate. You'll have to scroll down a little past Rush's post to see what he's trying to bury. . "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
Since they refuse to show the American people and the world the videos of the Pentagon strike I call foul. Nothing to hide? Then show us. Hope you didn't major in geography ;-). The aerial photo here shows that from the vantage point of the Doubletree the plane would come from the west (left) and head east (to the right of the frame), as the hotel is south of the Pentagon. Perhaps you were thinking of the Sheraton? I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
Rush Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 3131 Credit: 302,569 RAC: 0 |
Eventual trial is a good thought, No, if you're the gov't, it's a way to give yourself every possible advantage in a criminal prosecution. You'll have to scroll down a little past Rush's post to see what he's trying to bury. Oh yeah, that's why I post here. To move a post a few inches higher or lower on a page, depending on one's personal settings. That's simply brilliant. Cordially, Rush elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com Remove the obvious... |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
Since they refuse to show the American people and the world the videos of the Pentagon strike I call foul. Nothing to hide? Then show us. Please be sure to read all of my posts in this thread (there aren't that many). Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. |
MrGray Send message Joined: 17 Aug 05 Posts: 3170 Credit: 60,411 RAC: 0 |
Since they refuse to show the American people and the world the videos of the Pentagon strike I call foul. Nothing to hide? Then show us. I think She's making fun of the situation and not saying anything about your comment Sarge. Text sucks sometimes. bobby: I live in California so reposted what the vidoe poster wrote. It could very well be reversed. Either way the video shows nothing but smoke. Rush: It's funny to think you wouldn't listen to experts in the fields covered simply because they're opinions go against what you want to believe. In a court of law I guarantee their opinions would weigh more than just some guy who knows little about the subjects. . "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
Since they refuse to show the American people and the world the videos of the Pentagon strike I call foul. Nothing to hide? Then show us. Thanks, Bobby. I've watched one so far and this was a related video in the same vein. Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
As for footage of the collision, there's some out there, including this. Not the best of angles, but it is a running camera (as opposed to stop motion). Doesn't show the airplane? It certainly shows something following a path that ends in an explosion. Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. |
MrGray Send message Joined: 17 Aug 05 Posts: 3170 Credit: 60,411 RAC: 0 |
As for footage of the collision, there's some out there, including this. Not the best of angles, but it is a running camera (as opposed to stop motion). Interesting, I didn't see anything the first time since it blends in with the cars traveling in the same direction. Switched computers to big screen. Laptop let me down even with 17 " monitor. Reassessing. "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
Back to the original question: ok, so maybe the plane was being flown lower for longer than I thought. Is there information on this? For example, is there info stating how long before striking that they'd pulled out of the dive? We're they skimming just above the highways for a few minutes? Also, how many of you have been in auto accident? Did that involve hitting concrete on the side of the road (for example, concrete guards in areas where there's a steep drop to the side of the road)? In 1994, on my way back from an interview, I was on an interstate, doing plus or minus 1 or 2 mph the speed limit (65 or 70?). It was 1-2 a.m. A drunk 19 y.o. passed two semis doing 80-100 m.p.h. He pulled back in to the right lane and realized too late I was there and how quickly he was coming up on me. As he pulled back out to try to pass, he clipped the left rear end of my car. I was sent spinning, hitting the concrete on the side of the road many times. Guess which thing suffered damage? The car or the concrete. All reports indicate the concrete (as well as myself) were shaken and stunned but undamaged. The car was totaled. Now imagine a plane at 300-500 m.p.h. slamming directly into really really strong concrete. I can see much of the plane being pulverized in this action. What originally did not make sense to me was the path. So, now I am asking for info about that path, if it exists. (Height, over what, etc. ... .) Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
As for footage of the collision, there's some out there, including this. Not the best of angles, but it is a running camera (as opposed to stop motion). OK, so say the plane is going "due" east. You can see a car going, say, southeast. But I can still see something, possibly a plane. Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. |
Rush Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 3131 Credit: 302,569 RAC: 0 |
Rush: It's funny to think you wouldn't listen to experts in the fields covered simply because they're opinions go against what you want to believe. I didn't say I wouldn't listen to them. I said that your posting of some insanely long list doesn't constitute evidence of anything. It's isn't an argument for a position to list a bunch of people that agree with you--even if the next silly list you post is twice as long. The problem with listing or quoting experts is that there are experts on both sides of the situation. Some of them are really qualified in things that really may lend some credence to their opinion. Many of them aren't at all. In a court of law I guarantee their opinions would weigh more than just some guy who knows little about the subjects. Sure. And most of the "sources" you post, and things like "Loose Change: The Idiot's Cut" and the rest of them would be dismissed nearly out of hand because they AREN'T experts. Because their misleading tactics and overt bias is apparent. Cordially, Rush elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com Remove the obvious... |
Rush Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 3131 Credit: 302,569 RAC: 0 |
Interesting, So, what happened here? Oops? Cordially, Rush elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com Remove the obvious... |
Rush Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 3131 Credit: 302,569 RAC: 0 |
Back to the original question: ok, so maybe the plane was being flown lower for longer than I thought. Is there information on this? For example, is there info stating how long before striking that they'd pulled out of the dive? We're they skimming just above the highways for a few minutes? If you look around, you can find pics of the streetlights that were sheared off by the wings of the plane as it approached the building. Cordially, Rush elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com Remove the obvious... |
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