Wow...

Causing confusion is your middle name.

Wow...

"Being evasive," is your middle name.

Note the quotes I responded to and what they were referring to. After all... you made them...

Sure, I did make them. Here are the quotes I'm noting. I said: "For the Pentagon, that wasn't a plane that a pilot tried to set down on a freeway, using as much control as the pilot had left, moving as slow as he possible, that just happened to hit a building. That plane was flown as fast and hard as possible, directly and intentionally into a bomb-resistant and blast-reinforced building. Net result? It literally shattered--just like the test video of the plane hitting the concrete wall."

You replied: "Show us the video."

So I did. I showed you the video of a plane hitting a reinforced concrete wall. I showed you the video of an F4 hitting a concrete barrier that, like the Pentagon, was designed to withstand direct impacts and bombs.

What happened? The plane was pulverized. What a surprise--planes intentionally driven into reinforced concrete barriers with the intent to cause as much damage as possible are reduced to rubble.

Shocking, eh?

I meant show us one of the 80 something videos the FBI confiscated and round filed of the "plane" hitting the 'Pentagon'. Your first hit on google was for not. Much like your argument.

If that's what you meant, you should have said that. But you didn't, you replied in context to the post at hand, and I showed you the video you asked for. The point remains the same: Planes that are intentionally used to cause as much damage as physically possible are likely to be in much smaller pieces that those are crash when pilots are fighting for their very lives to minimize the damage (thus saving their lives) as much as possible.

Lawsuits to Obtain Videos >snip some requests for video that have no bearing<

You proved my point for me on that last link. lol.

Why, because you sez so without any analysis whatsoever? That link I provided showed a number of crashes with no evidence of fire, bodies, or chairs at a number of those sites, and this is important, EVEN THOUGH THE PILOTS WERE TRYING TO SAVE THE PLANES AND THEIR PASSENGERS.

It's no stretch at all that planes where the pilots intended to as much damage as possible are pulverized substantially more than planes where the pilots intended to save them.

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Rush

elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

At some point people will begin investigating on their own, bobby,

They really don't care what you or I say. This isn't the beginning or the end of this. We're just a couple clowns honking our horns. Your horn is getting a little worn down and rusty, and mine is getting polished to a fine sheen and getting a lot louder. This is just a forum in cyberspace for us ET nerds. (And proud of it!)

Sarge can't read, Rush will argue with anyone about anything, and you are angry with me and are blinded by it. It's ok. No one really cares! That was part of the problem with 911. We all got caught up in the smoke and mirrors and ran for our rifles. Now the mirror is cracked and the smoke is clearing and a realization is coming over many. US and world opinions on this are turning. The things done to our Constitution and to Iraq aren't looking quite as justifiable as they once may have to some. Evidence is piling up and people are writing books about stuff that went down in the administration. Bush and Cheney think they are the king and queen of America, and we their worships.

Your a banker. How's the old US of A looking? The FED is living up to their fiat system dragging us down and not regulating things like home loans. Corporations are buying the planet and moving jobs out of country so they can pay a bowl of cereal a day to some third world inhabitant rather than pay an American to do the same here. Politicians pull for both of them because they pay the most. The world is looking at us like the fourth reich, and you, an ex Brit are sticking up for it? Shame bobby. Oh wait... your a banker, that's right. You make money no matter who loses. Literally make money out of thin air with no gold or sterling to back it. Let's see... no economic growth = ?

In a rat race like this is it that far fetched to look at 911 again with open eyes? Is it a coincidence this is happening when an oilman and a warman hold the top two positions in government? Are we headed for another depression? Of course we are, and we earned it because we pay our taxes and vote for weasels who manipulate the system for the banks and corporations? Talk about a balloon payment!

Now... I say... if one part of the "official" story is a lie, the whole enchilada is a lie. And odds are with that prediction.

Wouldn't you agree?


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Let's look at the instant replay:

Rush said ->

For the Pentagon, that wasn't a plane that a pilot tried to set down on a freeway, using as much control as the pilot had left, moving as slow as he possible, that just happened to hit a building. That plane was flown as fast and hard as possible, directly and intentionally into a bomb-resistant and blast-reinforced building. Net result? It literally shattered--just like the test video of the plane hitting the concrete wall.

I said ->

Show us the video.

Scroll down 3 posts to see lawsuits for the "supposed" videos, Sarge...

Yeah, and I did. I showed you the video "of the plane hitting the concrete wall," the last thing that was referred to in the preceding paragraph. That's called simple English.

Do I need to make a Power Point presentation for you guys?

If it is going to be riddled with your standard sloppy use of language, that won't be of any help whatsoever.

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Cordially,
Rush

elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

At some point people will begin investigating on their own, bobby,

They really don't care what you or I say. This isn't the beginning or the end of this. We're just a couple clowns honking our horns. Your horn is getting a little worn down and rusty, and mine is getting polished to a fine sheen and getting a lot louder. This is just a forum in cyberspace for us ET nerds. (And proud of it!)

Heh. Classic.

Sarge can't read, Rush will argue with anyone about anything, and you are angry with me and are blinded by it.

Actually, Sarge can read. He can read really simple English and understand the context just fine. Similarly, I won't "argue with anyone about anything," there are plenty of people here I won't engage at all. I don't respond to 99% of the posts here.

Besides, even if it were true, your glaring inconsistencies are hard to miss. "I hate that the gov't does eeeevil stuff to us--so let's give more power to the gov't!!"

That's simply brilliant.

It's ok. No one really cares! That was part of the problem with 911. We all got caught up in the smoke and mirrors and ran for our rifles. Now the mirror is cracked and the smoke is clearing and a realization is coming over many. US and world opinions on this are turning. The things done to our Constitution and to Iraq aren't looking quite as justifiable as they once may have to some. Evidence is piling up and people are writing books about stuff that went down in the administration. Bush and Cheney think they are the king and queen of America, and we their worships.

Your a banker. How's the old US of A looking? The FED is living up to their fiat system dragging us down and not regulating things like home loans. Corporations are buying the planet and moving jobs out of country so they can pay a bowl of cereal a day to some third world inhabitant rather than pay an American to do the same here. Politicians pull for both of them because they pay the most. The world is looking at us like the fourth reich, and you, an ex Brit are sticking up for it? Shame bobby. Oh wait... your a banker, that's right. You make money no matter who loses. Literally make money out of thin air with no gold or sterling to back it. Let's see... no economic growth = ?

In a rat race like this is it that far fetched to look at 911 again with open eyes? Is it a coincidence this is happening when an oilman and a warman hold the top two positions in government? Are we headed for another depression? Of course we are, and we earned it because we pay our taxes and vote for weasels who manipulate the system for the banks and corporations? Talk about a balloon payment!

Now... I say... if one part of the "official" story is a lie, the whole enchilada is a lie. And odds are with that prediction.

Wouldn't you agree?

This sort of tirade doesn't help your inconsistent position-du-jour at all. However, it does demonstrate a commitment to your particular worldview, no matter what facts and truth actually are.

That destroys your credibility even more than your errors here because it suggests you simply aren't interested in what actually happened as long as you can blame Dubya for it.

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Rush

elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

At some point people will begin investigating on their own, bobby,

They really don't care what you or I say. This isn't the beginning or the end of this. We're just a couple clowns honking our horns. Your horn is getting a little worn down and rusty, and mine is getting polished to a fine sheen and getting a lot louder. This is just a forum in cyberspace for us ET nerds. (And proud of it!)

Sarge can't read, Rush will argue with anyone about anything, and you are angry with me and are blinded by it. It's ok. No one really cares! That was part of the problem with 911. We all got caught up in the smoke and mirrors and ran for our rifles. Now the mirror is cracked and the smoke is clearing and a realization is coming over many. US and world opinions on this are turning. The things done to our Constitution and to Iraq aren't looking quite as justifiable as they once may have to some. Evidence is piling up and people are writing books about stuff that went down in the administration. Bush and Cheney think they are the king and queen of America, and we their worships.

Your a banker. How's the old US of A looking? The FED is living up to their fiat system dragging us down and not regulating things like home loans. Corporations are buying the planet and moving jobs out of country so they can pay a bowl of cereal a day to some third world inhabitant rather than pay an American to do the same here. Politicians pull for both of them because they pay the most. The world is looking at us like the fourth reich, and you, an ex Brit are sticking up for it? Shame bobby. Oh wait... your a banker, that's right. You make money no matter who loses. Literally make money out of thin air with no gold or sterling to back it. Let's see... no economic growth = ?

In a rat race like this is it that far fetched to look at 911 again with open eyes? Is it a coincidence this is happening when an oilman and a warman hold the top two positions in government? Are we headed for another depression? Of course we are, and we earned it because we pay our taxes and vote for weasels who manipulate the system for the banks and corporations? Talk about a balloon payment!

Now... I say... if one part of the "official" story is a lie, the whole enchilada is a lie. And odds are with that prediction.

Wouldn't you agree?

Once again turn my seeking answers into an attack on me. True I've worked for a bank for the past eight months, but calling me a "banker" is akin to calling the person who cleans the desks of bankers the same. But why should the truth matter?

Where did I say anything about supporting the Bush administration and what it's doing? I specifically noted my objection to some of the things that have been done on the coat tails of 9/11, but why should the truth matter?

Who said I was angry? I'm laughing at your jokes and lack of ability to respond to my questions. No matter how many times you try to turn this into something about me MrGray, your frustration shows through. You clearly don't want a light to shine on the ludicrous theories you propose, every time somebody gets that flashlight out you move onto something else. But why should the truth matter?

"Now... I say... if one part of the "official" story is a lie, the whole enchilada is a lie."

LOL, if I have one dollar then I have every dollar is just as false. Logic fails you again MrGray.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Sarge can't read

LOL! OK, let me get you the addresses of my high school and the institutions (yes, plural) that have granted me the degrees I've earned. They'll be horrified to know they let an illiterate man graduate, with honors, even! Funnier still that I help prepare pre-service teachers. Good thing it's not the part about reading, huh? :)

The amazing thing about you, MrGray, and at least a handful of others that have posted on these forums about similar topics is this: you forget when some people have shown an interest in some of your posts and indicated their open-mindedness to some of your ideas; when these same people point out some glaring errors (such as in logic) or even raise the smallest possible of objections, you turn on them. The way you turn on them is quite disturbing indeed.

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They'll be horrified to know they let an illiterate man graduate

As if that has never happened before... ;)

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@all.

I always enjoy a good discuss, and it was very funny for me, to read your postings here. But now, the discuss becomes a little bit to personal.

I suggest, to avoid trouble and flames, please do a virtual hand shake and go back on topic.

What do you think?

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@all.

I always enjoy a good discuss, and it was very funny for me, to read your postings here. But now, the discuss becomes a little bit to personal.

I suggest, to avoid trouble and flames, please do a virtual hand shake and go back on topic.

What do you think?

I'm happy to do that, the thread's title is Tower Seven, can we get back to it?

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Thank you champ,

I'd like to expand the topic to include the entire 911 phenomenon.


PS: It was a joke Sarge.


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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Thank you champ,

I'd like to expand the topic to include the entire 911 phenomenon.


PS: It was a joke Sarge.


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P.P.S. - it was funny. ;-)

So, for people on both sides, how in the world was the plane that hit The Pentagon able to dive and then fly nearly parallel to the ground just before the strike. Having passed by The Pentagon a few times in the past 11 years, while riding the Metro, I just don't get it.

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Thank you champ,

I'd like to expand the topic to include the entire 911 phenomenon.


PS: It was a joke Sarge.


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P.P.S. - it was funny. ;-)

So, for people on both sides, how in the world was the plane that hit The Pentagon able to dive and then fly nearly parallel to the ground just before the strike. Having passed by The Pentagon a few times in the past 11 years, while riding the Metro, I just don't get it.

That would be one hell of a flying job. It's not easy. You'd have to really know your aircraft.


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That's how it seems to me.
At a glance, there does not seem to be much room for leveling out.

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That's how it seems to me.
At a glance, there does not seem to be much room for leveling out.

It's tough flying planes. Even little prop jobs are weird getting used to. You can't see below horizontal. The plane is in the way. You have to use your instruments for alt and speed. In a 767 it's really tough!

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

So, for people on both sides, how in the world was the plane that hit The Pentagon able to dive and then fly nearly parallel to the ground just before the strike. Having passed by The Pentagon a few times in the past 11 years, while riding the Metro, I just don't get it.

What I want to know is how in the world was someone was able to pick the Lotto winning numbers last week. Having purchased Lotto tickets a few times in the past years, while drinkin' a cool 40, I just don't get it. I mean, the odds are what, nearly 200,000,000 to 1 against?

Sarge, you know better than this. You can't look at something that happened after the fact and then try to calculate the odds against or the difficulty as if that hit was intended to hit that spot on the building in exactly that way.

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Cordially,
Rush

elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

what i want to know where are the engines, they don´t pulverize in anycase, or the tail piece of the plane.

So, for people on both sides, how in the world was the plane that hit The Pentagon able to dive and then fly nearly parallel to the ground just before the strike. Having passed by The Pentagon a few times in the past 11 years, while riding the Metro, I just don't get it.

What I want to know is how in the world was someone was able to pick the Lotto winning numbers last week. Having purchased Lotto tickets a few times in the past years, while drinkin' a cool 40, I just don't get it. I mean, the odds are what, nearly 200,000,000 to 1 against?

Sarge, you know better than this. You can't look at something that happened after the fact and then try to calculate the odds against or the difficulty as if that hit was intended to hit that spot on the building in exactly that way.

It's not a matter of trying to calculate odds. I mean this question sincerely. Watching (or, in some cases, re-watching) some of the vids about the planes crashing into the WTC, I don't find that a stretch ... particularly given a last moment angling that put one of the planes back on target. So, while this isn't a question about odds, I suppose a related question would be "Why didn't they hit The Pentagon along the roof, instead?"

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It's not a matter of trying to calculate odds. I mean this question sincerely. Watching (or, in some cases, re-watching) some of the vids about the planes crashing into the WTC, I don't find that a stretch ... particularly given a last moment angling that put one of the planes back on target. So, while this isn't a question about odds, I suppose a related question would be "Why didn't they hit The Pentagon along the roof, instead?"

Well, why didn't it hit a spot 18 feet to the right? Why didn't it hit a spot 47 feet to the left and 8 feet lower. Why didn't it hit the roof of B Ring, 100 yards around to the right?

Why didn't it hit anywhere but the exact spot that it did?

I suppose a related question would be, do you know how hard it is to get the exact serial numbers of the paper money you have in your wallet right now? Yet you managed to pull it off.

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Cordially,
Rush

elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

Since they refuse to show the American people and the world the videos of the Pentagon strike I call foul. Nothing to hide? Then show us.

Sick of the "truthers"? Then show us.


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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Since they refuse to show the American people and the world the videos of the Pentagon strike I call foul. Nothing to hide? Then show us.

Sick of the "truthers"? Then show us.


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I've seen a few. One looks like a plane. One looks like it might be a missile. A couple of days ago, when I started following your thread, I saw one from a nearby gas station where no plane or anything striking the building at all is evident (only that there was an explosion). Maybe we should just believe all these contradictory things to play it safe? :)

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