You guys really going to hang on to that thread of a stronghold, while forgetting all about the rest of the data provided here?

Side stepping into denial?


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Ad hominem attack.
I barely read or post in threads like this. It's the first time I ever posted about the phone calls. So, don't you dare accuse me of hanging on to some thread.
When it comes to denial, buddy, let me tell you something: when a whole bunch of crap befell my family in my youth, repression failed me. I remember a lot more things that happened, and more clearly, than my elder family members. I sought to understand the crap that was happening to my family, just like I seek to understand things today and solve problems if I can. While humans have the natural tendency to repress and deny, these things are very much suppressed in me.

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Where are the actors involved in this huge conspiracy.

You ask THIS question, yet you reject 'any theory' other than the 'official theory' which you yourself admittedly disbelieve... ;)

(That's quite a strange approach to truth seeking.)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

Where are the actors involved in this huge conspiracy.

You ask THIS question, yet you reject 'any theory' other than the 'official theory' which you yourself admittedly disbelieve... ;)

(That's quite a strange approach to truth seeking.)

No, it's not.
One can have doubts in one thing and still (justifiably) say that other theories are not well-supported. Again, Bobby pointed out "integration." Heck, he's pointed out downright contradictions --- again, which was it: missiles, military planes, passenger planes, holograms ... ?

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Where are the actors involved in this huge conspiracy.

You ask THIS question, yet you reject 'any theory' other than the 'official theory' which you yourself admittedly disbelieve... ;)

(That's quite a strange approach to truth seeking.)

I "admittedly disbelieve", where's that post? I've asked about the actors several times. Not once has anybody been able to post a link to any data to indicate any individual out of the hundreds that must've been involved, has come forward to say they were part of the inside job. Not one. Why is that?

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Now, you've mentioned eyewitness testimony. I wasn't going to say anything, but you've alluded to it. You live in that area, right? How long have you been there? If there in 9/2001, did you see some of what was going on?

Moved into my Manhattan apartment on Sept 10th 1999, though I'd been living in hotels/corporate accommodation from the end of May. On 9/11/2001 I was working in offices at Fulton and Broadway, open plan office, with windows facing west, over the top of St Paul's Chapel we had a clear view of WTC 1 and 7, we could also see most of WTC 2 (part of it was obscured from our view by the Millenium Hotel). Prior to that I had worked in offices at Church and Barclay, and before that in the World Financial Center South Tower (WFC 1). As you can imagine I was very familiar with the area.

We were told to remain in our office that day, the streets quickly filled, and building security thought we were safer inside. When WTC 1 (North Tower) collapsed, we were plunged into darkness as a result of both power failing and the dust cloud. We had some illumination, I had a laptop and there were a few smokers (with matches/lighters). The same happened when WTC 2 fell.

One of my colleagues had spent the night in the Marriot (WTC 3), intending to do a presentation on 9/11 in the WFC. He was one of the lucky ones, he'd just showered and was getting dressed when the first tower was hit. He heard the explosion and tells of seeing office furniture falling past the hotel window, he picked up his wallet, phone and ran. Only when he stopped running did he realize he'd not put on his shoes.

I had more friends and colleagues that were working on the 97th floor of WTC 1 that day, including a fellow Brit. I'm remain friends with his fiancee. I also had friends that worked on lower floors, many remain scarred by what they saw and heard that day.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Not one. Why is that?

We already know for a fact WHAT happened, WHEN it happened, and WHERE it happened...

So the question isn't HOW it happened, the questions are WHO did it and WHY they did it... ;)

If I were a skeptic, I'd be looking for motive, means, and opportunity, just like any other crime...
If I believed the official story, I wouldn't be bothered wasting my time debunking the debunkers...

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Let's try to post our evidence and stay away from replying to each others personal comments. I haven't posted even half of the evidence yet, but will soon.

Many here are not watching/reading the data provided. But you post comments with little or no ammo.

Review and we can move forward instead of running circles.

Many say they have evidence against points made, yet there is little but comments to prove this.

Post the data and we can move forward again.

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Many say they have evidence against points made, yet there is little but comments to prove this.

Absurd. I can't prove there are not pink zebras living three blocks away from my apartment, but I don't have to, the onus is on the person making the statement that there are such things. Likewise the onus is on the Truthers to show that the planes were holograms, military aircraft, missiles, &c. Logic is our friend.

Which takes me neatly back to evidence for "Pull", it's been almost three weeks MrGray, found any yet?

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Many say they have evidence against points made, yet there is little but comments to prove this.

Absurd. I can't prove there are not pink zebras living three blocks away from my apartment, but I don't have to, the onus is on the person making the statement that there are such things. Likewise the onus is on the Truthers to show that the planes were holograms, military aircraft, missiles, &c. Logic is our friend.

Which takes me neatly back to evidence for "Pull", it's been almost three weeks MrGray, found any yet?

I let go of the small word "Pull" as stated in the posts. I'll get you more to chew on soon. Friday night = UFC/Pizza night.

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

That colon should have been a period,

Lets let go of the word "Pull" so you can address what I have provided you. I'll get to that later. I will find it again. I'm doing yard work and still need to wax my truck.

Now lets address how you said building 7 differed from the two buildings crushed by debris but still had steel girders standing in place while building 7 with less damage free falls in place.

Please see the Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth link below for more data if needed.

Emphasis added. That was three weeks ago.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Many say they have evidence against points made, yet there is little but comments to prove this.

Absurd. I can't prove there are not pink zebras living three blocks away from my apartment, but I don't have to, the onus is on the person making the statement that there are such things. Likewise the onus is on the Truthers to show that the planes were holograms, military aircraft, missiles, &c. Logic is our friend.

Which takes me neatly back to evidence for "Pull", it's been almost three weeks MrGray, found any yet?

I let go of the small word "Pull" as stated in the posts. I'll get you more to chew on soon. Friday night = UFC/Pizza night.

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If you can't find any supporting evidence for even the smallest of claims, what hope is there for the larger?

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Keep your shirt on little fella,

Time will deliver. Unless someone else wants to cover for a minute while I relax this evening.


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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Here's something to chew on until I get back to this:

Pentagon crash:





mmmk...


Flight 93 crash site:




That's two of the four plane crashes covered. Where are these planes? Did they vaporize on contact with terra firma?


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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Here's something to chew on until I get back to this:

Pentagon crash:





mmmk...


Flight 93 crash site:




That's two of the four plane crashes covered. Where are these planes? Did they vaporize on contact with terra firma?

Did somebody say side-stepping? But if you insist, why not show some pictures of debris that was found?

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

I put away the argument on the word pull long ago,

Now I ask you where two of the four planes are and you refer back to a single word?

bobby, bobby, bobby...


Your the 911 expert. Post some pics in your defense.

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

I put away the argument on the word pull long ago,

Now I ask you where two of the four planes are and you refer back to a single word?

bobby, bobby, bobby...


Your the 911 expert. Post some pics in your defense.

How many square miles was the debris from the 2003 space shuttle Columbia explosion spread over?

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Are you comparing a mid air, high altitude explosion / re entry burn up, to a ground impact?


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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

for comparison:
This discusses the size of debris pieces, witness & government photos as well,
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/analysis/conclusions/debris.html, References DoD briefing.

also via the same site, crashes into terrain for comparison, only some of which appear to have large intact pieces.
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/analysis/compare/jetcrashdebris.html

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"Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions.

I put away the argument on the word pull long ago,

So that was what? Oops? You just slipped and happened to make another glaring error?

Now I ask you where two of the four planes are and you refer back to a single word?

Two were destroyed as they flew into the World Trade Center. One was destroyed as it cratered into a field, the other was destroyed as it smashed into a bomb-resistant, reinforced concrete building with blast-resistant windows.

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Rush

elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

Are you comparing a mid air, high altitude explosion / re entry burn up, to a ground impact?


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Come on, now.
You know the point was that the field of vision of those cameras was extremely limited.

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