Barry Jennings - 9/11 WTC7 Full Uncut Interview - 1 of 2 (10 MIN.)

Barry Jennings - 9/11 WTC7 Full Uncut Interview - 2 of 2 (10 MIN.)

Thanks Dominique


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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Do I believe we've been told the "whole truth"? Of course not, so that puts me in with the majority of Americans.

People don't usually lie when they have nothing to hide... ;)

You wouldn't think so, but I've met some compulsive liars that will tell a lie even when the truth is easier, then again I guess they were pretty unusual... I hope...

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"Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions.

Perhaps your pain is blinding you from acknowledging the witness and documentation in the video? Or maybe the pain doesn't allow you to watch the entire video?

One fireman having trouble comig to terms with all he saw while working in the Trade Center that day does not lead me to conclude that they all feel the same way. Just as one demolition expert saying that WTC 7's collapse was a controlled demolition after being given partial information does not lead me to believe that his assessment is correct.

The lack of both physical evidence and conspirators means that all the Truthers can do is point at coincidences and say "plan". There is physical evidence in droves to support the "official" story, and plenty of people from the FDNY and demolition experts that subscribe to it.

I didn't watch every frame of the 2 hours, but I listened to it all, and hearing the story of symmetrical collapse of WTC 7 in 7 seconds rolled out once more as fact beggars belief. Hearing people's incredulity at what they found in a field in Pennsylvania, does not lead me to conclude that a plane did not crash there. Comparisons of the crash of United 93 with the incident over Lockerbie is plain ridiculous, yet Truthers once again show their lack of respect for the truth and make it anyway.

After a little more research perhaps I overstated the hassle I've experienced from the Truthers themselves. It could so easily be much worse. Luckily for me I didn't take a camera in to work that day.

One fireman?

You really missed a LOT, bobby.

Apologies, I missed the interviews conducted years later with other members of the FDNY that were part of the crews on 9/11, could you give me the time offset for these?

Nothing about lack of physical evidence/conspirators? Nothing about the ludicrous comparisons of United 93 with other airplane accidents? Nothing about Truthers hassling witnesses? OK, why repeat the discredit times of 10 seconds for the collapses of WTCs1 and 2 (watch any of the videos and tell me you can see when the roof reaches the ground), and 7 seconds fot WTC 7 (even from the north side you can see part of the east penthouse collapse a full 6 seconds the rest of the penthouse and only after these have fallen does the rest of the building follow). Why? Because Truthers don't care for the truth.

Turn this onto me (again) and my pain as a means of deflecting away from the points that I raise (e.g. how many planes went off course? what was expected of the FBI at the Pentagon?). From where I stand all this does is demonstrate your lack of ability to address the points I raise directly. Posting a series of links shows you can research (as you say google is your friend), but not that you can put together a coherent argument to support your case.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Turn this onto me (again) and my pain as a means of deflecting away from the points that I raise (e.g. how many planes went off course? what was expected of the FBI at the Pentagon?). From where I stand all this does is demonstrate your lack of ability to address the points I raise directly. Posting a series of links shows you can research (as you say google is your friend), but not that you can put together a coherent argument to support your case.

He isn't interested in what actually happened. They generally aren't.

They want to maintain the worldview that they have AT ALL COSTS. That way they can pat themselves on the back, pretending that no matter what eventually happens, they were on the side of the angels in what they believe must be historical inevitability.

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Cordially,
Rush

elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
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Do I believe we've been told the "whole truth"? Of course not, so that puts me in with the majority of Americans.

People don't usually lie when they have nothing to hide... ;)

Who said anything about lying? For sure the President's comments were not borne out by evidence, but he could have been mistaken (can we be sure he read the reports?), just as the White House Press Secretary undoubtedly was when he made similar comments.

Who said anything about nothing to hide? I specifically mentioned secrets, which to me sounds like a reason to hide details.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

I've met some compulsive liars that will tell a lie even when the truth is easier

'White lies' are a dime a dozen... Fortunately, 'white liars' don't get people killed, unless they annoy you to death... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

'White lies' are a dime a dozen... Fortunately, 'white liars' don't get people killed, unless they annoy you to death... ;)

Allow for the fact that 'white lies' are cumulative in effect. I wish I'd have discovered this quote sooner than I did: "Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.", Albert Einstein

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"Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions.

"Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters."

. . . and now you know why I have little to no interest in 'bonding' with people... ;)

(I honestly believe that 'most' of them just don't understand their transgressions, but thats what makes them even more dangerous.)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

As fortold by the Myans. Beware Dec. 21, 2012

Collapse video:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cab_1215243770&p=1


9/11 Third Tower Mystery 'Solved'


The final mystery of 9/11 will soon be solved, according to US experts investigating the collapse of the third tower at the World Trade Center.

The 47-storey third tower, known as Tower Seven, collapsed seven hours after the twin towers.

Investigators are expected to say ordinary fires on several different floors caused the collapse.

Conspiracy theorists have argued that the third tower was brought down in a controlled demolition.

Unlike the twin towers, Tower Seven was not hit by a plane.

The National Institute of Standards and Technology, based near Washington DC, is expected to conclude in its long-awaited report this month that ordinary fires caused the building to collapse.

That would make it the first and only steel skyscraper in the world to collapse because of fire.

The National Institute of Standards and Technology's lead investigator, Dr Shyam Sunder, spoke to BBC Two's "The Conspiracy Files":

"Our working hypothesis now actually suggests that it was normal building fires that were growing and spreading throughout the multiple floors that may have caused the ultimate collapse of the buildings."

'Smoking gun'

However, a group of architects, engineers and scientists say the official explanation that fires caused the collapse is impossible. Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth argue there must have been a controlled demolition.

FIND OUT MORE...
The Conspiracy Files: 9/11 - The Third Tower is on BBC Two on Sunday 6 July at 2100 BST
Visit The Conspiracy Files website or catch up using the iPlayer


The founder of the group, Richard Gage, says the collapse of the third tower is an obvious example of a controlled demolition using explosives.

"Building Seven is the smoking gun of 9/11… A sixth grader can look at this building falling at virtually freefall speed, symmetrically and smoothly, and see that it is not a natural process.

"Buildings that fall in natural processes fall to the path of least resistance", says Gage, "they don't go straight down through themselves."

Conspiracy theories

There are a number of facts that have encouraged conspiracy theories about Tower Seven.

Although its collapse potentially made architectural history, all of the thousands of tonnes of steel from the skyscraper were taken away to be melted down.
The third tower was occupied by the Secret Service, the CIA, the Department of Defence and the Office of Emergency Management, which would co-ordinate any response to a disaster or a terrorist attack.
The destruction of the third tower was never mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report. The first official inquiry into Tower Seven by the Federal Emergency Management Agency was unable to be definitive about what caused its collapse.
In May 2002 FEMA concluded that the building collapsed because intense fires had burned for hours, fed by thousands of gallons of diesel stored in the building. But it said this had "only a low probability of occurrence" and more work was needed.
But now nearly seven years after 9/11 the definitive official explanation of what happened to Tower Seven is finally about to be published in America.

The National Institute of Standards and Technology has spent more than two years investigating Tower Seven but lead investigator Dr Shyam Sunder rejects criticism that it has been slow.



The collapse of Tower 7

"We've been at this for a little over two years and doing a two or two and a half year investigation is not at all unusual. That's the same kind of time frame that takes place when we do aeroplane crash investigations, it takes a few years."

With no steel from Tower 7 to study, investigators have instead made four extremely complex computer models worked out to the finest detail. They're confident their approach can now provide the answers. Dr Sunder says the investigation is moving as fast as possible.

"It's a very complex problem. It requires a level of fidelity in the modelling and rigour in the analysis that has never been done before."

Other skyscrapers haven't fully collapsed before because of fire. But NIST argues that what happened on 9/11 was unique.

Steel structure weakened

It says Tower Seven had an unusual design, built over an electricity substation and a subway; there were many fires that burnt for hours; and crucially, fire fighters could not fight the fires in Tower 7, because they didn't have enough water and focused on saving lives.

Investigators have focused on the east side where the long floor spans were under most stress.

They think fires burnt long enough to weaken and break many of the connections that held the steel structure together.

Most susceptible were the thinner floor beams which required less fireproofing, and the connections between the beams and the columns. As they heated up the connections failed and the beams sagged and failed, investigators say.

The collapse of the first of the Twin Towers does not seem to have caused any serious damage to Tower Seven, but the second collapse of the 1,368ft (417m) North Tower threw debris at Tower Seven, just 350ft (106m) away.

Tower Seven came down at 5.21pm. Until now most of the photographs have been of the three sides of the building that did not show much obvious physical damage. Now new photos of the south side of the building, which crucially faced the North Tower, show that whole side damaged and engulfed in smoke.

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Still up for that trip to Iraq to test out your depleted uranium claims?



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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Still up for that trip to Iraq to test out your depleted uranium claims?

Of course. Why not?

Pony up.

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Cordially,
Rush

elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

Classic.

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Cordially,
Rush

elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

Meanwhile, back on topic,

Anyone else have an opinion on the topic data covered in this thread?



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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Had to go back and edit, eh?

Ouch.

Heh heh.

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Cordially,
Rush

elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

I'm not alone in my opinions

http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2007/03/911-and-right.html

Use link above for PDF's on following:


Saturday, March 10, 2007
Leading Conservatives: 9/11 Cover-Up

Is questioning the government's version of what happened on 9/11 a traitorous activity? Is it something cooked up by liberals and the Democrat party to weaken the conservative movement or to undermine the President's ability to lead the country in this dangerous time?

Well, let's see what leading conservatives have to say:

Current Republican Congressman states that "we see the [9/11] investigations that have been done so far as more or less cover-up and no real explanation of what went on"
Former U.S. Republican Congressman and senior member of the House Armed Services Committee, who served six years as the Chairman of the Military Research and Development Subcommittee, has shown that the U.S. tracked hijackers before 9/11, is open to hearing information about explosives in the Twin Towers, and is open to the possibility that 9/11 was an inside job

Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense under President Ronald Reagan said that the official story of 9/11 is "the dog that doesn't hunt" (if you suspect he is a closet liberal, take a look at his bio)

Former high-ranking Reagan official and very influential conservative finds "massive evidence that the 9/11 Commission Report is a hoax"

Former Air Force Colonel and Pentagon official, who was part of the influential Office of Special Plans, and who was at the Pentagon on 9/11 does not believe the official story regarding 9/11 (see also this essay)

Former Chairman of the Conservative National Committee in Washington DC, former Executive Editor of Conservative Digest, and former U.S. Marine Corps fighter pilot questions many aspects of the government's version of 9/11
Former Governor of Minnesota questions the government's version of 9/11, including the collapse of the Twin Towers

Conservative Arizona State Senator questions 9/11

In addition, the following high-level military and intelligence personnel have also questioned 9/11 (it is not clear whether or not they are conservatives; but their credentials are impressive):
Retired Lieutenant Colonel who served 21 years in the U.S. Marine Corps, a fighter pilot who flew over 300 combat missions, questions the official version of 9/11 and said "This isn't about party, it isn't about Bush Bashing. It's about our country, our constitution, and our future...Your countrymen have been murdered and the more you delve into it the more it looks as though they were murdered by our government, who used it as an excuse to murder other people thousands of miles away."

Former 20-year Marine Corps infantry and intelligence officer, the second-ranking civilian in U.S. Marine Corps Intelligence, and former CIA clandestine services case officer stated that "9/11 was at a minimum allowed to happen as a pretext for war", and it was probably an inside job (see Customer Review dated October 7, 2006)

Former FBI translator, who the Department of Justice's Inspector General and several senators have called extremely credible (free subscription required), said "If they were to do real investigations we would see several significant high level criminal prosecutions in this country. And that is something that they are not going to let out. And, believe me; they will do everything to cover this up". She also is leaning towards the conclusion that 9/11 was an inside job

Former director of the U.S. "Star Wars" space defense program in both Republican and Democratic administrations, who was a senior air force colonel who flew 101 combat missions believes that the military was intentionally disabled on 9/11 in order to allow the attacks to succeed (see also this statement)

High-ranking general and the former chief of NATO (in Danish; hint -- he mentions bombs in the Twin Towers)

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

I'm not alone in my opinions

No one said you were. There are plenty of people, all around the world, that believe some really, really stupid things with all their heart--people who are simply dead wrong.

Is questioning the government's version of what happened on 9/11 a traitorous activity? Is it something cooked up by liberals and the Democrat party to weaken the conservative movement or to undermine the President's ability to lead the country in this dangerous time?

Well, let's see what leading conservatives have to say: >snip<

Yay, more people with no evidence at all, stating their opinion. More power to them, but they haven't got any smoking guns there either.

Left or right has nothing to do with it. Evidence does.

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Cordially,
Rush

elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

Please review material presented to avoid looking ill informed at this stage of the thread.


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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Please review material presented to avoid looking ill informed at this stage of the thread.

That is not a concern of mine at all.

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Cordially,
Rush

elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

John Lear - 911 Remote Controlled Planes & No Plane

9/11 theory

John Lear - Vanishing Planes & Holographs

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My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, Commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions.

Found this video on Tower Seven

BBC Reported Building 7 Collapse 20 Minutes Before It Fell

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My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, Commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions.