That colon should have been a period,

Lets let go of the word "Pull" so you can address what I have provided you. I'll get to that later. I will find it again. I'm doing yard work and still need to wax my truck.

Now lets address how you said building 7 differed from the two buildings crushed by debris but still had steel girders standing in place while building 7 with less damage free falls in place.

Please see the Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth link below for more data if needed.



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Well...

I've addressed the structure of the building but your now jumping to the "Pull" word so lets see what I can find:

Controlled demolition expert's reaction to watching WTC 7 fall

Any comments on the ironwork in building 7?

Just watched that, didn't hear "pull" mentioned once. The expert was shown footage from the north side of WTC 7, if he'd seen pictures from the south, showing the amount of damage there, and the extent of the fires, who knows, his opinion might've been different.

And yes, the word "pull" does seem to be key, at least among the CT sites I've seen, a lot is placed on Silverstein's use of the word. Unfortunately, to my knowledge, it's not used interchangeably with "blast" by demolition crew, but is used by firefighters when referring to personnel being removed from the scene, e.g. "pull out".

I believe the word "pull" was indeed used before building 7 collapsed - when the fire crews were told to get out.

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I'll pull the word "Pull" from this argument in light of it's being used to avoid the real issue.

Still no response to the architectural data from any participating in this discussion.


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Begun by the families of those who were killed on 911 and the responders who continue to die from the chemicals inhaled despite the EPA announcing it safe to breath and work:

9/11 Truth Rising Project


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Begun by the families of those who were killed on 911 and the responders who continue to die from the chemicals inhaled despite the EPA announcing it safe to breath and work:

9/11 Truth Rising Project

Watched thr first 15 mins or so of this two hour video. Didn't see anything relating to evidence of 9/11 being an "inside job". Though I did see a few first responders angry at the EPA saying the air quality was acceptable in the area on 9/18. At the time I thought that unlikely and, I believe more recently that 9/11/06 (when some of the video was shot), there's been an official re-evaluation, certainly this is the case in NYC.

I cannot say why the EPA made the evaluation they did, but the one given in the video that I saw, "to get Wall Street open" sounds plausible. For me though, it's a leap to go from saying intheir haste to get Wall Street open the Gov't lied to the American people, thus it follows that the Gov't lied about 9/11 itself.

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I'll pull the word "Pull" from this argument in light of it's being used to avoid the real issue.

Still no response to the architectural data from any participating in this discussion.

Thought I had, you posted a link to a report with some unnamed persons comments about its validity. Whether that person has sufficient evidence to make the critique that's provided is unclear, but, judging by the lack of evidence s/he/they provide, I'd say not.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Watch the rest of the video if your able,

Google and YouTube videos can be prompted to the point where you left off previously. You'll hear from many architects, witnesses, firemen, police, and officials about many points of interest. Including analysis of the generators, fuel, transformers, and how these items would not make a building fall like building 7 fell.

I must have locked down image files from being drawn remotely, but you can click the link just above the blank image place holders to see the webpage I got them from. The "Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth" link does a better job of illustrating than does the first link. The head of this investigation is the same guy you'll see later in the film you partially watched.

I'm glad you see what the EPA did to thousands of first response workers as well as the general population of the island. I recommend watching the rest of the video for further data on the effects and official responses on caring for these heroes as well as many interactions with said officials as to why they are being left to die with no medical assistance.

As for the word pulling; I can't find the video of the demo professional who enlightened the words use as a term for the pushing of the button on explosives strategically placed in buildings being demolished. It has nothing to do with cables or tug of war types of pull.

Why no aerial photographs of the debris field showing the building did not fall in on itself like a regular demolition, but southwards across Vesey Street?

I'll refer you to the Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth link below as well as the video previously watched by you, in part.

Thought I had, you posted a link to a report with some unnamed persons comments about its validity. Whether that person has sufficient evidence to make the critique that's provided is unclear, but, judging by the lack of evidence s/he/they provide, I'd say not.

Is the following what you were referring to?:

The video you were scanning for the word pull shows a man from out of country who is a building demolition expert who had never seen the video before. The video of him watching the video shows his reactions and opinions on the falling of building 7.

It'll be tough to continue this conversation until you complete the video and examine the Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth website. Without a common understanding of the points it will be tough for us to debate the issues properly.

You seem to have done some research on these issues so I hope you will continue on with it.

Interesting that building 7 was not even included in the reports on 911. Nor has there been any call on it even 7 years later as to why it fell. But 36% of Americans who believe 911 to be an inside job are waiting for it. (2007 survey)


Have a good day.


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Have a good day.

Thanks. Just watched the Conspiracy Files show you mentioned in the OP. Seems I was mistaken about the construction of WTC 5 and 6, they were steel framed after all. I remember walking through six on my way from Fulton St station to the WFC and saw the concrete columns at ground level and asuumed they went all the way up. Seems the concrete was decoration for the steel girders.

Interestingly there's some footage from alternate angles showing at least some of the damage to WTC7, and an interview with somebody who was in the building at the time of the collapse of 1 and 2.

One of the points made in the show is about compairsons between WTC7 and other steel towers that have burned was the lack of water to fight the fire. Pretty much all the other tall buildings that have been on fire had firecrews working on them attempting to stop the spread of the fire. When WTCs 1 and 2 fell they took out significant water mains which hampered FDNYs attempts to work on WTC7 making comparisons between it and other fires a little less useful.

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Oh lookie... I found a passport... ;)

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Thanks for taking the time from your day to research with me, Bobby,


Here's some data on Skyscraper Fires for us to chew on:


Other Skyscraper Fires

Fires Have Never Caused Skyscrapers to Collapse

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Excepting the three 9-11 collapses, no fire, however severe, has ever caused a steel-framed high-rise building to collapse. Following are examples of high-rise fires that were far more severe than those in WTC 1 and 2, and Building 7. In these precedents, the fires consumed multiple floors, produced extensive window breakage, exhibited large areas of emergent flames, and went on for several hours. The fires in the WTC towers did none of these things.



The One Meridian Plaza Fire

One Meridian Plaza is a 38-floor skyscraper in Philadelphia that suffered a severe fire on February 23, 1991. The fire started on the 22nd floor and raged for 18 hours, gutting eight floors and causing an estimated $100 million in direct property loss. It was later described by Philadelphia officials as "the most significant fire in this century".

The fire caused window breakage, cracking of granite, and failures of spandrel panel connections. Despite the severity and duration of the fire, as evidenced by the damage the building sustained, no part of the building collapsed.



The First Interstate Bank Fire

The First Interstate Bank Building is a 62-story skyscraper in Los Angeles that suffered the worst high-rise fire in the city's history. From the late evening of May 4, 1988 through the early morning of the next day, 64 fire companies battled the blaze, which lasted for 3 1/2 hours. The fire caused extensive window breakage, which complicated firefighting efforts. Large flames jutted out of the building during the blaze. Firefighting efforts resulted in massive water damage to floors below the fire, and the fire gutted offices from the 12th to the 16th floor, and caused extensive smoke damage to floors above. The fire caused an estimated $200 million in direct property loss.

A report by Iklim Ltd. describes the structural damage from the fire:
In spite of the total burnout of four and a half floors, there was no damage to the main structural members and only minor damage to one secondary beam and a small number of floor pans.



The 1 New York Plaza Fire

1 New York Plaza is a 50-story office tower less than a mile from the World Trade Center site. It suffered a severe fire and explosion on August 5, 1970. The fire started around 6 PM, and burned for more than 6 hours.



Caracas Tower Fire

The tallest skyscraper in Caracas, Venezuela experienced a severe fire on October 17, 2004. The blaze began before midnight on the 34th floor, spread to more than 26 floors, and burned for more than 17 hours. Heat from the fires prevented firefighters from reaching the upper floors, and smoke injured 40 firefighters.

Lax enforcement of fire codes in Venezuela was blamed for the malfunctioning of water pumps and a lack of fire extinguishers inside of the building. Because the building was empty when the fire broke out, no civilians were killed or injured.



The Windsor Building fire

The most recent case of a severe high-rise fire is the one that destroyed the Windsor Building in Madrid, Spain on February 12, 2005. The Windsor fire was more severe than any of the other fires described on this page, and the incident has been widely publicized, with comparisons to the fires in the three World Trade Center skyscrapers on 9/11/01. However, the Windsor Building, unlike all the buildings mentioned above, was framed in steel-reinforced concrete rather than steel. Hence it is described on a separate page, which notes differences between the response of these different types of structures to fires.

(In under seven seconds Building 7 was transformed from a skyscraper to a rubble pile.)

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Building 7 (also known as WTC 7) was a 47-story skyscraper that stood on the block immediately north of the block that contained the rest of the World Trade Center complex. Building 7 was shrouded in secrecy. Then-Mayor Rudolph Giuliani had a bunker on the 23rd floor.
Fires

Building 7 was not hit by any aircraft, and apparently did not suffer massive damage from the violent destruction of either of the Twin Towers. Small fires were observed in a few different parts of the building prior to its "collapse." Most of the fires were barely visible, and were not hot enough to cause window breakage, at least on the north side of the tower, of which there are photos shortly before the collapse. The largest observed fires were the ones visible on the southeast wall shown in the photograph.
Evacuation

Building 7 was supposedly evacuated around 9 AM. The area around the building was evacuated in the hour before the collapse. Photographer Tom Franklin, who took the famous photograph of firemen raising the American flag, said:
Firemen evacuated the area as they prepared for the collapse of Building Seven.

There are no photographs that show large fires in Building 7. Tom Franklin did not take any photos of the building before heeding firemen's orders to evacuate the area. Had there been large fires, one would expect that the professional photographer would have documented them.



Destruction

Building 7 underwent a total structural collapse at 5:20 PM. 2 Although there were few people in the area to witness its destruction, several videos captured the event. Like the collapses of the Twin Towers, the collapse of Building 7 commenced suddenly and was over in seconds. At first the penthouse, which rests on central columns, began to drop. Within a second the entire building began to drop as a whole, falling into its footprint in a precisely vertical fashion. The destruction of Building 7, which is not explained by the official theory, looked exactly like a standard controlled demolition.

It is commonly believed that "ancillary damage" from the collapses of the Twin Towers led to the collapse of WTC 7. In fact Building 7 was separated from the North Tower by Building 6 and Vesey Street. A photograph of its north facade taken in the afternoon shows isolated small fires, and not even a single window was broken.
References

1. Getting the photo of a lifetime, arlingtoncemetary.net, 9/13/01
2. September 11: Chronology of terror, CNN.com, 9/12/01

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North tower:

The following table lists 216 of the 261 drawings included in the March 2007 release.

North Tower Blueprints


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Asymmetrical damage cannot create symmetrical collapse.

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Chaotic fires cannot create orderly structural failure.

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Thank you Dominique.

Physics is a powerful and undeniable truth.

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i am always wondered was it kind of human thing to minimize the losses of human lifes by flying to the towers so early, instead of an hour later.
of course it is not human anyway, but still, why so early.

Oletteko tarkoita sitä, miksi he törmäävät tornit, kun he eivät olleet hyvin miehitetty?


Do you mean why did they hit the towers when they were not very occupied?


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It is commonly believed that "ancillary damage" from the collapses of the Twin Towers led to the collapse of WTC 7. In fact Building 7 was separated from the North Tower by Building 6 and Vesey Street. A photograph of its north facade taken in the afternoon shows isolated small fires, and not even a single window was broken.

No windows on the north side. There is video footage of windows popping out and fire spreading on lower floors on the east side of the building. The eye witness report from the security guard who was not evacuated at 9 a.m. provides details of significant fires that were also not seen from the north side, but, given the amount of smoke pouring out of the windows of the south side of the building, may be surmised.

One thing we do know, is that none of the footage has recordings of the sounds of explosives used for demolition. None. If WTC 7 was brought down via controlled demolition it was done in a way that no other building has been brought down. Watch any other demolition with a sound recording, and you'll here the explosives make as much, if not more noise than the building collapsing. This did not happen on 9/11.

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Oletteko tarkoita sitä, miksi he törmäävät tornit, kun he eivät olleet hyvin miehitetty?
sitä juuri tarkoitan


Do you mean why did they hit the towers when they were not very occupied?
yes, that is what i mean, your finnish is better all the time

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Eye witnesses to explosions on 911:

http://www.911eyewitness.com/


I have many more links to testimonies but I think this should handle this objection. If not just let me know.


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Eye witnesses to explosions on 911:

http://www.911eyewitness.com/


I have many more links to testimonies but I think this should handle this objection. If not just let me know.

Lots of people describing what they thought to be explosions is not the same thing at all. There are several video and sound recordings of WTC7 collapse, in none of these can be heard the distinct sounds of explosives used for demolition. Watch and listen buidlings being brought down with explosives, and you'll hear them, w/o sound WTC7 looks similar, w sound it's a different story.

With regards to the explosions descirbed in the link, many people will describe any sudden loud boom as either a gun shot or an explosion (depending on loudness, etc), especially if they are unable to see the source of the sound. I'm not denying these people heard what they thought was an explosion, I doubt what they heard was the sound of explosives.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

You'll need to click the "Watch the video Online" link for the actually audio of the buildings being exploded, along with seismic recordings. You will hear the explosions during and before the collapse. You'll see and hear more testimonies. There are also large amounts of physics analysis and comparisons to demolished buildings side by side to the collapses of the WTC buildings.

What are your sources Bobby?


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You'll need to click the "Watch the video Online" link for the actually audio of the buildings being exploded, along with seismic recordings. You will hear the explosions during and before the collapse. You'll see and hear more testimonies. There are also large amounts of physics analysis and comparisons to demolished buildings side by side to the collapses of the WTC buildings.

What are your sources Bobby?

Watch the videos here, on any of them the sound of explosives is distinct from the sound of the builing falling. None of the video links you have posted include similar sounds of explosives, only of the building falling. Ever wonder why the CT sights that show video comparisons do so w/o soundtracks? As I've said a number of times, from north of WTC 7, its collapse looks very similar to a controlled demolition, from other vantage points less so. But from nowhere does it sound like one.

For the gun shot/explosion source of loud booms? Next time you hear a car engine back fire, ask those around if they thought they heard a gun shot.

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