I am growing more and more discouraged by the total lack of information flowing out of Berkeley on this project. Matt is the only person to let us know anything and that is basically how his day went. No scientific information concerning the Seti project......no nothing. I hate to say it but crunching for credits does not have the same appeal it did in 2002 when Boinc started. I need something more and it looks like nothing is forthcoming from Seti.

This group in Berkeley can't even repair a web page bug that's been here for 6 weeks or more. That's the kind of interest they have in the project!

totally agree. i have said it many times over the years. all we crunchers are doing is crunching wu's and having the results put in a database. nothing is being done with those results. nothing. they are just sitting there. they have been yacking about ntpckr for 3 years now. 3 years. and nothing has happened. i feel like i'm being made a fool of..spending my time, money and energy for them and nothing is being looked at.

when seti had that 1st list of interesing signals and looked at them back in 2002 or so a lot of interest was shown by the press. that is what is missing today. start looking at the data, show us what was in the workunits we crunched, and the press will write about the project again. people will become interested and jump on board. donations will increase if news is published, at least somewhere, about what all our time, money and energy has found. heck...i would rather know nothing was in my workunits or it was interference..anything but silence from seti. and i'm not talking about news put out like the telescope is being painted. show people where in the sky the wu is and what their computer said was in that wu.

after 3 years of talking about ntpckr i don't want to hear "oh work is going on behind the scenes that you don't know about". after 3 years ntpckr should have already been up and running. a project this big should be producing the information and feedback to the donators by now.

and that is the biggest downside to running seti for me, and i am sure a lot of others.

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Geek, I agree with you, BUT in order to answer to ET we have to have patience.

sadly, it takes more than that. one actually has to start looking for him. that is what is missing. they need to start looking at the data we crunchers are giving them and look fulltime.. 24/7.

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Geek, I agree with you, BUT in order to answer to ET we have to have patience.

sadly, it takes more than that. one actually has to start looking for him. that is what is missing. they need to start looking at the data we crunchers are giving them and look fulltime.. 24/7.

I agree with you, Dorphas.

Too many data crunched but nobody is looking for nothing in our results. For what we are crunching? To have a big library what nobody have a look at in?

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It seems that's like the final scene of 'Indiana Jones: Raiders of the Lost Ark'... do you remember?

'We will study the object, don't worry about that'...'we will tell you something about...'

and the Akc is stored in a package in an big, big magazine... with a multitude of other things what nobody will never saw[/edit]

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Logan.

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And sadly, everything is also quiet on the development front over at SETI Beta. No message board posts by Josh (Astropulse) for 37 days, or Eric (SETI Enhanced) for 45 days.

In each case, the last post they made was about modifying existing code to work with the BOINC v6.0 API for graphics - in other words, running to stand still on the eye-candy.

If ET is watching us looking for them, they'll conclude that we're a very introverted species.

This group in Berkeley can't even repair a web page bug that's been here for 6 weeks or more. That's the kind of interest they have in the project!

It is a BOINC issue, not a SETI-specific issue... Any project that implements the newer BOINC forum code will have the problem.

Well that's not entirely true. Since setiathome is the lab rat for DAs wild code experiments he could have fixed what he had broken 6 weeks ago... but then again...

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If ET is watching us looking for them, they'll conclude that we're a very introverted species.

Not if it sees me with 2 or 3 scotches under my belt ;)

But I agree, we need to hear feedback for what we are doing. I have spent probably $2000 in upgrades in the last 12 months, and now the main upgrades are being used for S@H - they were bought for me, not S@H at all. It's not really costing me a lot to run as the PC's were running 24/7 anyway, but some use of the data would be nice.

I know they are looking into using the data, but regular updates would be nice

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Geek, I agree with you, BUT in order to answer to ET we have to have patience.

sadly, it takes more than that. one actually has to start looking for him. that is what is missing. they need to start looking at the data we crunchers are giving them and look fulltime.. 24/7.

What hardware or softwear is to be installed in ntpckr that can't be recrunched by by all/some of the current users? Even with say requirements like SETI staff/admin, or 1,000,000 cobblestones or xx years involvement, even as a reward, or by application even, just so dedicated people and rigs are used and not someone just in it for a short while. Just thinking out loud. /salute

If ET is watching us looking for them, they'll conclude that we're a very introverted species.

And if ET is watching our news and sci-fi broadcasts, then they'll see that we're somewhat xenophobic also.

Keep searchin',
Martin

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If ET is watching us looking for them, they'll conclude that we're a very introverted species.

And if ET is watching our news and sci-fi broadcasts, then they'll see that we're somewhat xenophobic also.

Keep searchin',
Martin

Or fools in a yard, Martin.:)

Regards.

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Logan.

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Too many data crunched but nobody is looking for nothing in our results. For what we are crunching? To have a big library what nobody have a look at in

PLEASE....sit back ad realize a few things..

1) The Staff is reduced from last year by 1 full-time person and finances are down (Sir Arthur Clarke donated a large sum of money ans he has now passed).
2) Staff are overwhelmed with their current workload so if they stop one item of work to do another--what will suffer?
3) We have a thread open on the analysis tool (http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=44077) Nitpckr

This is a viscious cycle. With more funding the team could hire another full-time staff member-maybe even 2 which would free up time to work more on the analysis unit/program.

We (myself and Poppa included) have been donating significant amounts of personal time and have made real success in some hardware donations but the financial ones aren't keeping up.

You want analysis and so do I? The project needs to be more financially viable before we can make the solid effort to move onto that step.

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Too many data crunched but nobody is looking for nothing in our results. For what we are crunching? To have a big library what nobody have a look at in

PLEASE....sit back ad realize a few things..

1) The Staff is reduced from last year by 1 full-time person and finances are down (Sir Arthur Clarke donated a large sum of money ans he has now passed).
2) Staff are overwhelmed with their current workload so if they stop one item of work to do another--what will suffer?
3) We have a thread open on the analysis tool (http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=44077) Nitpckr

This is a viscious cycle. With more funding the team could hire another full-time staff member-maybe even 2 which would free up time to work more on the analysis unit/program.

We (myself and Poppa included) have been donating significant amounts of personal time and have made real success in some hardware donations but the financial ones aren't keeping up.

You want analysis and so do I? The project needs to be more financially viable before we can make the solid effort to move onto that step.

It really is catch 22 isn't it? There are lots of people sat back waiting for action before they will put money into SETI, but until people put money in the action isn't likely to happen.
If everyone on these forums put at least $25 in the pot then I think things would be very different...Surely if you can find the money for a PC upgrade you can put a bit into the fund? The shipping on your new components probably cost more than a donation to SETI.

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The short-term graph of active Seti users shows a drop of about four percent in seven weeks, from the peak on February 1, 2008. I wonder, is there a long-term graph of this? This might show the seasonality, if any.

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Too many data crunched but nobody is looking for nothing in our results. For what we are crunching? To have a big library what nobody have a look at in

PLEASE....sit back ad realize a few things..

1) The Staff is reduced from last year by 1 full-time person and finances are down (Sir Arthur Clarke donated a large sum of money ans he has now passed).
2) Staff are overwhelmed with their current workload so if they stop one item of work to do another--what will suffer?
3) We have a thread open on the analysis tool (http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=44077) Nitpckr

This is a viscious cycle. With more funding the team could hire another full-time staff member-maybe even 2 which would free up time to work more on the analysis unit/program.

We (myself and Poppa included) have been donating significant amounts of personal time and have made real success in some hardware donations but the financial ones aren't keeping up.

You want analysis and so do I? The project needs to be more financially viable before we can make the solid effort to move onto that step.

Then we're crunching data that is being stored for some later day/month/year/decade when it will be analyzed and meaniful information will be shared?

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And sadly, everything is also quiet on the development front over at SETI Beta. No message board posts by Josh (Astropulse) for 37 days, or Eric (SETI Enhanced) for 45 days.

There’s a very recent Astropulse app for Windows & Linux, though.

In each case, the last post they made was about modifying existing code to work with the BOINC v6.0 API for graphics - in other words, running to stand still on the eye-candy.

No new S@h Enhanced apps for three months, and no front-page news for five months—not even to announce S@h v6.0.

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Then we're crunching data that is being stored for some later day/month/year/decade when it will be analyzed and meaniful information will be shared?

If we can increase the finances and hardware capabilities of the project--then absolutely we can get to the point where analysis can occur.

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If we can increase the finances and hardware capabilities of the project--then absolutely we can get to the point where analysis can occur.

But that's the sore point isn't it. 99% of the people who crunch here are content to run their computers, crunch the data but they do not donate to the Berkeley side of the project. Over the years I have heard a ton of reasons why not to donate. The truth be told, a minimum donation of 20$ per year works out to less than 5.5 cents per day. If only 10% of the people who crunch gave 20$ just think what that could bring to the Seti project.

But that's the sore point isn't it. 99% of the people who crunch here are content to run their computers, crunch the data but they do not donate to the Berkeley side of the project. Over the years I have heard a ton of reasons why not to donate. The truth be told, a minimum donation of 20$ per year works out to less than 5.5 cents per day. If only 10% of the people who crunch gave 20$ just think what that could bring to the Seti project.

That would be about $400,000 dollars.

Could be that folks are just tired of some of the "Administration". IMHO
Other Projects are collecting more "crunchers".
I personally support the project but post little anymore, just mostly lurk.
I even find better Tech Support in other places for SAH and BOINC.

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I am totally with the idea that the existing lab team cannot and should not be faulted or attacked here. They quite clearly have their hands more than full.

No, the problem lies elsewhere. My last donation was well over a year ago but money is tight at present. What we need is a lot more.

Somehow or other the project needs some really good PR. It could well be that in this very community there lurks someone with that gift and who could do something about it. I'm afraid that publishing a few "results" in some journal totally unknown to the vast mass of the global population is not enough.

We need crunchers willing to devote time and their computers and electricity to the project and PR may bring some more in and others back.

My earliest pending was sent out 27th January and total pending is up to 2593.

I'm keeping going because I believe in the project itself and I know the pending will clear in the end.

Faith is not enough - we need some good spin on what we are doing!

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