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Message 720165 - Posted: 1 Mar 2008, 3:07:33 UTC - in response to Message 718422.  


Absolutely not. Ever heard of the United Negro College fund? How about financial aid based on income? Two sources specifically geared to the "homeless brown person"


Of course.
How could I have been so naive?
That explains why Yale and Harvard are so full of destitute homeless students.
I must have been hoodwinked by socialist propaganda once again.


Financial aid is available at both of those institutions. In fact, it's my understanding that Harvard is now offering FREE tuition to families with incomes lower than 60k per year...assuming said individual meets the ACADEMIC REQUIREMENTS to attend an Ivy League institution.

http://www.hno.harvard.edu/gazette/2007/12.13/99-finaid.html
The new initiative is the latest chapter in Harvard’s systematic effort to increase affordability and widen access for qualified students from across the economic spectrum. In the winter of 2004, under the leadership of President Lawrence H. Summers, Harvard transformed the financial aid landscape with its announcement that families with annual incomes below $40,000 would not be expected to pay for their sons or daughters to go to Harvard. The zero-contribution threshold was raised to $60,000 in 2006, with further reductions in parental contributions for families with incomes up to $80,000. Over the past three years, the number of students in these income ranges has increased by 33 percent, representing a quarter of the entering Class of 2011....

....Currently, two-thirds of Harvard College students receive some form of financial aid, and half receive need-based scholarship aid from Harvard, totaling more than $98 million.



Thanks for setting the record straight again in that way only you (and a friend or two) seem to be able to do so well.

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Well it's often been stated that ignorance is bliss....I just didn't realize they enjoyed it as much as you seem to.

Snark Snark indeed...

If I recall the numbers correctly, that means that if 100% of your income is insufficient to pay the tuition, you can get financial aid. What about rent, eating, ...


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Message 720197 - Posted: 1 Mar 2008, 5:52:56 UTC - in response to Message 720165.  
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What about rent, eating, ...


You can't be serious, huh?

The majority of my college jobs were in restaurants, thus killing both of those birds with one stone...one roommate cuts your expenses by 50%.

...and of course there are always the dorms for those wishing to live on campus and cafeteria meal plans available to all students.

No one said it was easy, the implication is that it's FAR from impossible.


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Message 742329 - Posted: 21 Apr 2008, 13:47:50 UTC - in response to Message 717411.  

Noam Chomsky has discussed this type of situation many times.

So what? He does all this things that he decries others for doing. That's called hypocrisy.

The coporate world and investor class preach the marvels of the free market and the disciplines of the free market.
The reality is quite different.

Exactly, the reality is quite different. They are doing exactly as you do: begging the gov't to meddle in the lives of others, and they claim it's for the common good. It's not, but they don't care, just as you don't care. They advocate the gov't doing what they think is in their best interests, just as you advocate the gov't doing what you think is in your best interest.

That the two of you disagree doesn't matter.

When profits are up, the free market is praised as the provider of all things good.
When profits drop, the working people within the corporation are subjected to the market discipline, ie: they are fired, but the company falls back into the protective arms of the "Nanny State".

Yep, because the gov't meddles in people's lives, and people who agree with you beg incessantly for the nanny state, womb to the tomb.

The powerful are protected from the market while the weak are subjected to the full force of the market.
Pretty good scam being perpetrated on us eh?

Notice the irony here? Everyone has the right to beg the gov't for protection and plenty of people disagree with your position, yet you still think gov't meddling is a good idea.

If it's weak that are subjected to the full force of the market, then that is true because the gov't enforces that on them. Happy?

You see, it is the fact that people are able to do this, AND that gov't will respond that provides you this problem. Since gov't has caused this problem, it's ludicrous to suggest that MORE gov't will solve that problem. You can't have your cake and eat it too and more gov't will just cause more problems.
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Message 742330 - Posted: 21 Apr 2008, 13:50:45 UTC - in response to Message 717458.  

Let's eliminate the problem by turning the uneducated and unskilled into soylent green wafers to feed the educated and skilled, who will then be better energized to fulfill their assigned tasks from the master class.

Let's eliminate the problem by removing the parts of gov't that enforce this stuff onto those that can afford it the least.
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Message 742331 - Posted: 21 Apr 2008, 13:53:41 UTC - in response to Message 717464.  

Now tell me:

This man who was life long 'uneducated' and ended up 'unemployed' at 55 yet had worked all his life and had then been deemed 'unskilled'....

.... Was he not worthy of the same value I would afford you or me?

He was worthy of nothing more and nothing less than he could earn, or convince others to to give to him.

Beyond that "value" in that case has no meaning because neither you or I were employing him or supporting him.
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Message 742333 - Posted: 21 Apr 2008, 13:59:59 UTC - in response to Message 717537.  

You automatically assume that people who've lost their jobs fall into those two categories.

It's as if the machinists or engineers who are fired when the aerospace industry moves jobs to Asia suddenly have lost their abilities and education.

They haven't--they just aren't worth paying as much as they used to be paid. I wonder why their union doesn't just hire them?

The system you so despise is there to protect everyone's common interests.

Which, of course, it doesn't because it's difficult at best to define "common interests," and a collective never can.

Are you going to mock the system when your house catches fire or when one of those unskilled people you speak of breaks into it? Firefighters and police are part of the SOCIALIZED system.

Oh no. You want protections when it comes to you and your stuff. It's just those other people who aren't worthy of help from the system.

Except that there is no reason firemen or police have to be part of any gov't system. That they are, doesn't mean that they must be.
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Message 742336 - Posted: 21 Apr 2008, 14:15:22 UTC - in response to Message 718157.  

While income levels do have a direct link to educational levels, would you not agree that it is so much easier to receive a college education as a rich white male than a homeless brown person?

Duh. I mean, so what? OF COURSE it is!! Would you not agree that is it so much easier to become a world-class marathon runner as a tall, thin, black male than a short, fat white male?

"15,000 Brown People Dead Somewhere

The Onion: November 18, 1998 | Issue 34•16

OOGA-BOOGA LAND OR WHEREVER–Relief efforts are pouring into some country someplace, where 15,000 brown people have died over the past few weeks from flooding or a hurricane or something like that. 'Never have our people endured such a terrible catastrophe,' said this one dark-skinned guy who lost his entire family in the disaster of some sort. 'Our God has forsaken us.' The affected nation may possibly be the same one where about 90,000 brown people died two or three years ago in that one earthquake."

Is the correlation stating that education leads to income or is it more likely that income leads to education?

Overwhelmingly, since almost anyone can borrow enough federally guaranteed money to pay for education, and has been able to for decades, the question is moot.

I've met a few rich people. Not many. Funny, but the conversation never got around to whether they can read or not.

I venture that the illiteracy rates drop as one's wealth increases but it never reaches zero. Some inbred land baron's son with all the money in the world could inherit the vast amount and never be able to read the will.

So what, you figure he's just going to give that to you? Some people don't need to be able to read. But everyone else does.

Plenty of people worldwide would consider you unimaginably wealthy because not only because you can afford a computer, but also because you can afford the leisure time to post here. Does their opinion of your reading skills have any bearing on you or who you give your money to?
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Message 742522 - Posted: 21 Apr 2008, 23:18:43 UTC - in response to Message 742333.  

they just aren't worth paying as much as they used to be paid.

So what you are saying is that back when you were an employee your employer thought that you were worth something... But now that you are the employer you don't think that your employees are worth a crap... Funny how the money has followed YOU... ;)
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