Well It's that time of the month again, I just paid the space rent and utils, Electricity was $146.97 this month or $33.20 higher cause of cooling costs over last month. Next month will most likely be higher still, Maybe $5-$20 more really, Hopefully no higher than that.

Natural Gas was $24.51, Most of My costs are fixed at least, And don't get Me started on gasoline as I've seen the gas prices. But then I don't drive much, Can't with the distances involved around here and the car that I happen to have(18mpg).

Don't know how you dare even mention gasoline prices on a site with readers from this side of the pond. Expected to reach the equivalent of $11.30 per gallon (US) in the next week or so :((( So I go for cars that average over 50 mpg.

F.

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Well It's that time of the month again, I just paid the space rent and utils, Electricity was $146.97 this month or $33.20 higher cause of cooling costs over last month. Next month will most likely be higher still, Maybe $5-$20 more really, Hopefully no higher than that.

Natural Gas was $24.51, Most of My costs are fixed at least, And don't get Me started on gasoline as I've seen the gas prices. But then I don't drive much, Can't with the distances involved around here and the car that I happen to have(18mpg).

Don't know how you dare even mention gasoline prices on a site with readers from this side of the pond. Expected to reach the equivalent of $11.30 per gallon (US) in the next week or so :((( So I go for cars that average over 50 mpg.

F.

I'll second that motion. Quit whinging you Americans, Just cost me ~$100 to put 40 liters (12 gallons US) in my little diesel vw polo.

edit] Forgot the main subject, new games machine for son, Q9450 at stock settings 2.66GHz etc. with two Nvidia 8800gtx graphics cards uses 300W when crunching.
On energy terms glad he is collecting tomorrow, he can pay his own bills.

I'll second that motion. Quit whinging you Americans, Just cost me ~$100 to put 40 liters (12 gallons US) in my little diesel vw polo.

Yes, us Australians feel your pain - a VW Polo - gasp, how nasty is that!... Oh you meant the price of fuel, oops, my bad ;)

Here in Australia 40 litres of unleaded fuel would be about $AU60 (US$55), give or take a few $, diesel is roughly 10% dearer depending on your location. Then again I drive a 200KW 3.6 litre large family car that gets 26MPG around town and 35 on a trip, so fuel prices are a worry, but not critical yet

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I'll second that motion. Quit whinging you Americans, Just cost me ~$100 to put 40 liters (12 gallons US) in my little diesel vw polo.

Yes, us Australians feel your pain - a VW Polo - gasp, how nasty is that!... Oh you meant the price of fuel, oops, my bad ;)

Here in Australia 40 litres of unleaded fuel would be about $AU60 (US$55), give or take a few $, diesel is roughly 10% dearer depending on your location. Then again I drive a 200KW 3.6 litre large family car that gets 26MPG around town and 35 on a trip, so fuel prices are a worry, but not critical yet

Also have an Audi A6 3.0 TDI that does about 30 mpg (imp) on a good day, but work provide agency card to fill that up.

Sorry about all the new threads. Just wanting a sanity check and to make sure I'm not about to go too overkill with my SETI machines!

Do any of you with multiple machines keep your eye on your energy bills?

How much do you spend on Electricity?

How much is a KWh of power in your part of the world?

I purchased a power check adaptor which plugs between the outlet socket and the cable to the SETI machines. It records how much power is used and multiplies this by the price per Kwh (in my case 13Pence per Kwh).

It looks like this:



The first line is the amount of pwer currently being consumed (there are only 2 machines on this at the moment)

The second line is the accumulated cost (in £s)

The third line is the amount of time that the cost refers to (so in just under 2 days my machines have cost 88pence to run)

I know some of you have HUGE rigs set up, so is power cheap in your part of the world or have your electricity bills gone mad?

For my electric bill durng the period 3/05/08 to 4/03/08 in an all electric trailer @ 1500 square feet of area runing seti 24/7 with my Athalon 3800 with a 6800 video card and 2 hard drives and 2 dvd writers and 2gb memory and biostar mother board and 680 watts power supply. 2350khw which equal to 4.9 cents per kwh at my home in Lynchburg VA USA.
I have since upgraded to Q6600 and sli 8600gt video cards and xfx motherboard and 4gb of memory the rest I did not change. So I live where it is warmer than it is colder I used heat 3 months of the year and air the rest and sometimes I run the air in the winter when it is warm or hot.

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Sorry about all the new threads. Just wanting a sanity check and to make sure I'm not about to go too overkill with my SETI machines!

Do any of you with multiple machines keep your eye on your energy bills?

How much do you spend on Electricity?

How much is a KWh of power in your part of the world?

I purchased a power check adapter which plugs between the outlet socket and the cable to the SETI machines. It records how much power is used and multiplies this by the price per KWh (in my case 13Pence per KWh).

It looks like this:



The first line is the amount of power currently being consumed (there are only 2 machines on this at the moment)

The second line is the accumulated cost (in £s)

The third line is the amount of time that the cost refers to (so in just under 2 days my machines have cost 88pence to run)

I know some of you have HUGE rigs set up, so is power cheap in your part of the world or have your electricity bills gone mad?

For my electric bill during the period 3/05/08 to 4/03/08 in an all electric trailer @ 1500 square feet of area running seti 24/7 with my Athlon 3800 with a 6800 video card and 2 hard drives and 2 dvd writers and 2gb memory and biostar mother board and 680 watts power supply. 2350khw which equal to 4.9 cents per KWh at my home in Lynchburg VA USA.
I have since upgraded to Q6600 and sli 8600gt video cards and xfx motherboard and 4GB of memory the rest I did not change. So I live where it is warmer than it is colder I used heat 3 months of the year and air the rest and sometimes I run the air in the winter when it is warm or hot.

I live in a Manufactured House made by Fleetwood(a Westfield) in 1987 with only 840 sqft or 14'x60' and I own It outright(No Mortgage folks!), I bought It back in 2006 for a bit less than 16,000+7,000 to move It here from Las Vegas NV(the park there was closing, hence the low price) to where I've lived since 2004 here in Yermo CA(Just outside Barstow CA). The land isn't mine, So I rent It for $215 a month, But I consider It more like a Homeowners Association Fee than rent since If one doesn't have business here, One shouldn't be here and soon the place will have automatic gates and a New larger washroom/arcade for those that need It(I don't as I have My own washer & clothes dryer which are the same as what anyone else uses in the USA).

The KWh's are like so around here: (I've used 1,082 KW last month)
SCE % of 73.6100%
(Southern California Edison; aka: Edison International)
baseline = 267.0KWh
000-100% 0.0277900(baseline)
100-130% 0.0552500(baseline)
131-200% 0.1702300(baseline)

DWR % of 26.3900%
baseline = 96.0
000-100% 0.0887500(baseline)
101-130% 0.0887500(baseline)
131-200% 0.0887500(baseline)
201-300% 0.0887500(baseline)

I don't know how much electricty my computer uses but the power supply is 680 watts I use 200 watts of light in my rooms so it is like 6 and 1/2 rooms with the lights on. That is if I run my power supply full on at 100% which I don't think it is runnung that hard more like about 200 or 300 watts because the power supply fan is a smart fan and it does not run at full speed mabey 1/4 or 1/3 speed. So the power supply must be running at 1/4 or 1/3 of full capacity of 680 watts.
I too am retired on medical disability with a fixed income plus a retirement check. I was on dialysis for 3 years and I am off of dialysis now for 2 years my kidneys are better due to the dialysis which cost 16000$ a month on my private insurance and cost medicare 10000$ a month. My car transmision broke down in December and I walk 2.2 miles to the bus stop and I walk 2.2 miles back home which equals 4.4 miles plus what even I do in town so that is a total of 5 miles or more I walk and 2 miles of that is up a hill 1 mile long each way with a steep grade. All the walking is helping my kidneys due to all the blood flow through them I am still at stage 4 cronic kidney disease sometimes it goes up to stage 3.

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Natural Gas was $24.51, Most of My costs are fixed at least, And don't get Me started on gasoline as I've seen the gas prices. But then I don't drive much, Can't with the distances involved around here and the car that I happen to have(18mpg).

Don't know how you dare even mention gasoline prices on a site with readers from this side of the pond. Expected to reach the equivalent of $11.30 per gallon (US) in the next week or so :((( So I go for cars that average over 50 mpg.

F.

I'll second that motion. Quit whining you Americans, Just cost me ~$100 to put 40 liters (12 gallons US) in my little diesel VW polo.

edit] Forgot the main subject, new games machine for son, Q9450 at stock settings 2.66GHz etc. with two Nvidia 8800gtx graphics cards uses 300W when crunching.
On energy terms glad he is collecting tomorrow, he can pay his own bills.

@ Fred W, WinterKnight & David: Ok before this gets too far out of hand....

I'll nip this in the bud, As I have been aware of the disparity of prices of Gasoline around the world, I watch CNN almost constantly...

As I'm a Disabled Person on a Fixed income... It's lower than You think, I survive on $845 a month currently.

I mentioned what I paid for Natural Gas, Not Gasoline!

Natural Gas is for Cooking, Water Heating and Drying My Clothes in a Gas clothes dryer around here and the gas is piped in to the house and is not in My case for the Car......

Besides I drive less than all 3 of You combined or individually, So I can afford the car I drive, At least It's not an SUV.

Hey! You mentioned gasoline first...

And I was only pulling your chain ;)

F.

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Natural Gas was $24.51, Most of My costs are fixed at least, And don't get Me started on gasoline as I've seen the gas prices. But then I don't drive much, Can't with the distances involved around here and the car that I happen to have(18mpg).

Don't know how you dare even mention gasoline prices on a site with readers from this side of the pond. Expected to reach the equivalent of $11.30 per gallon (US) in the next week or so :((( So I go for cars that average over 50 mpg.

F.

I'll second that motion. Quit whining you Americans, Just cost me ~$100 to put 40 liters (12 gallons US) in my little diesel VW polo.

edit] Forgot the main subject, new games machine for son, Q9450 at stock settings 2.66GHz etc. with two Nvidia 8800gtx graphics cards uses 300W when crunching.
On energy terms glad he is collecting tomorrow, he can pay his own bills.

@ Fred W, WinterKnight & David: Ok before this gets too far out of hand....

I'll nip this in the bud, As I have been aware of the disparity of prices of Gasoline around the world, I watch CNN almost constantly...

As I'm a Disabled Person on a Fixed income... It's lower than You think, I survive on $845 a month currently.

I mentioned what I paid for Natural Gas, Not Gasoline!

Natural Gas is for Cooking, Water Heating and Drying My Clothes in a Gas clothes dryer around here and the gas is piped in to the house and is not in My case for the Car......

Besides I drive less than all 3 of You combined or individually, So I can afford the car I drive, At least It's not an SUV.

Hey! You mentioned gasoline first...

And I was only pulling your chain ;)

F.

I mentioned the words, Not the prices or the amounts, You and others did, Just not the amount I pay, Ok? you guys harped on the amount You all are paying and such..

I'd like to see You live on what I get a month. ;p

I didn't see any Joking there as I don't always get things like that, That's one of the reasons(among others) why I'm disabled as I don't get some types of humor...

The Gasoline comment was just that, A comment, Nothing more. It's the same as saying "What I do everyday to the minute" and It would end there, As why do I have to Justify My Car Purchase to anyone?? I bought It with a Check and the car was NEW then as My OLD Car was not able to be repaired as some parts were not being made anymore as the OLD Car was a 1988 Ford Escort. My NEW Car fits Me physically, As I'm fairly heavy(368lbs, 6'1" tall and I use a cane) and I've seen what happens after a while to cheaply made cars, I can make a dent in the fender by just leaning on those types of cars, My car I can lean on and not get any body damage, It has 2 doors, Has enough power to get Me out of most problems and enough trunk space for food or whatever, a passive alarm system, LoJack and a 1000w Stereo 6-CD changer w/10 speakers, Sure It's not a Diesel and It uses Gasoline, But It's paid for entirely and every month I pay $16.83 for car insurance.

OK. OK. Enough already...

If we shout any louder we'll wake the whole neighbourhood.

I'll take this episode as commentary on my (according to my offspring) strange sense of humour.

F.

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As I use electrical energy to heat the house, I spend 0 (euros, no matter) for SETI during 6 months (winter, mainly). That is not not the same story during summer. But it is stille 0 half of the time.

In order to save the climate, northern hemisphere countries should compute from november to april, southern hemisphere from may to october. For the equatorial/tropical countries, I dont know.

@ haddock29: Laughed out loud, well said!

Very off the topic: My ambient light drew this summer's first mosquito between me and my lcd. Unconrolled spinal reaction caused my hand to slap the darned thing. I missed it, and fortunately the screen didn't get damaged neither. There's spring in the air. Helsinki, 01:33 am sun, 7 C outside. Very off the topic.

Back to the topic:

How about if we calculate electricity cost per 1000xRAC, and convert it to $'s.

T7200 XP32, intake 68W, RAC abt 1100 (KWSN 2.4), 10 eurocents/kWh, 1.632 kWh/day, 1.484 Wh / cobblestone, 14 eurocents per 1000 cobbles, 23.7 (us)cents per 1000 cobbles

So, the T7200 produces 1000 cobbles with $0.27.

Gee wiz, there must be something wrong with my logic, or is there?

Continuing:
A64 3500+, 135W, RAC abt 400 (SSE2), 3.24 kWh/day, 8.1 Wh / cobble, 12.9 (us)cents per cobble

A64 produces 1000 cobbles with $12.9.

Such a difference, hope someone proves my calculations totally ascrewedf, or something.

Back to the topic:

How about if we calculate electricity cost per 1000xRAC, and convert it to $'s.

T7200 XP32, intake 68W, RAC abt 1100 (KWSN 2.4), 10 eurocents/kWh, 1.632 kWh/day, 1.484 Wh / cobblestone, 14 eurocents per 1000 cobbles, 23.7 (us)cents per 1000 cobbles

So, the T7200 produces 1000 cobbles with $0.27.

Gee wiz, there must be something wrong with my logic, or is there?

Continuing:
A64 3500+, 135W, RAC abt 400 (SSE2), 3.24 kWh/day, 8.1 Wh / cobble, 12.9 (us)cents per cobble

A64 produces 1000 cobbles with $12.9.

Such a difference, hope someone proves my calculations totally ascrewedf, or something.

There's an order of magnitude, or decimal point, slip somewhere.

Roughly: twice the power, one third the production, makes 6x the cost. You have it at 60x the cost.

Back to the topic:

How about if we calculate electricity cost per 1000xRAC, and convert it to $'s.

T7200 XP32, intake 68W, RAC abt 1100 (KWSN 2.4), 10 eurocents/kWh, 1.632 kWh/day, 1.484 Wh / cobblestone, 14 eurocents per 1000 cobbles, 23.7 (us)cents per 1000 cobbles

So, the T7200 produces 1000 cobbles with $0.27.

Gee wiz, there must be something wrong with my logic, or is there?

Continuing:
A64 3500+, 135W, RAC abt 400 (SSE2), 3.24 kWh/day, 8.1 Wh / cobble, 12.9 (us)cents per cobble

A64 produces 1000 cobbles with $12.9.

Such a difference, hope someone proves my calculations totally ascrewedf, or something.

I believe the error is in the calculation for the A64,
8.1 Wh/cobble = 8100 Wh/1000 cobbles = 8.1 Kwh/1000 cobbles = 8.1 * 10 EuCents
Which by my calculations = 81 EuCents, or about $1.56 or so?

-Dave

[Edited out redundant '.' - also changed amount in $$, not really sure what exchange rate is, based on other amounts...]

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Let me see if I can figure out how much it cost me to run my seti 24/7 to see if I understand all this electricty stuff.
My rig uses about 300 watts times 24 hours equals 7200 or 7.2kwh times 30 days in a month equals 216kwh times my electric company rate of .049 cents for each kwh equals 10.58$USD. I am I right or wrong?

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Back to the topic:

How about if we calculate electricity cost per 1000xRAC, and convert it to $'s.

T7200 XP32, intake 68W, RAC abt 1100 (KWSN 2.4), 10 eurocents/kWh, 1.632 kWh/day, 1.484 Wh / cobblestone, 14 eurocents per 1000 cobbles, 23.7 (us)cents per 1000 cobbles

So, the T7200 produces 1000 cobbles with $0.27.

Gee wiz, there must be something wrong with my logic, or is there?

Continuing:
A64 3500+, 135W, RAC abt 400 (SSE2), 3.24 kWh/day, 8.100 Wh / cobble, 81 eurocents / cobble, 12.9 (us)cents per cobble

A64 produces 1000 cobbles with $12.9.

Such a difference, hope someone proves my calculations totally ascrewed, or something.

There's an order of magnitude, or decimal point, slip somewhere.

Roughly: twice the power, one third the production, makes 6x the cost. You have it at 60x the cost.

I did agree with your first assumption, to begin with. Now i just rechecked it, and found no error. What what what, might it be correct? Bear in mind that the T7200 draws half of what the AMD64 3500 does. In addition it provides a healthy computing power over the AMD. Combine these two effects, and whoops, is it possible that my calculations were close to reality.

I'm well surprised.

And to Paul,

The idea is to compare cost/credit, so all the factors would be built in.
Trying to exclude everything possible BUT the cost of electricity relative to standard income. So unifying interational cost per 1000 cobblestones is what I was trying to achieve.

I really do imagine some interesting figures, once you all start to calculate and publish them.

Greetings, Olli

Surely, Dave, you are quite right about the decimal point, it must be $1.29/1000 cobbles. It couldn't be more than that.

Thanks, more sharp eyes to comment my idea.