I've never been in a union before being hired by a company.
Once hired, one joins the union or opts out through the Rand formula which allows a working person the right to not join a union while still being part of the workforce.

Under the Rand ruling, a person has the option to not join from the beginning of employment or later, if unsatisfied with the union, one has 30 days from the signing of a new collective agreement to opt out.

Having pointed this out, I hope to see your pro-union posts starting soon.

You do realize, that there is no "Chicago School of Economics," right? That it's just a school of thought?

I've never been in a union before being hired by a company.
Once hired, one joins the union or opts out through the Rand formula which allows a working person the right to not join a union while still being part of the workforce.

Under the Rand ruling, a person has the option to not join from the beginning of employment or later, if unsatisfied with the union, one has 30 days from the signing of a new collective agreement to opt out.

Having pointed this out, I hope to see your pro-union posts starting soon.

So, then you wouldn't mind at all if GM simply ceased using unions entirely? Or if they hired only people who signed a separate contract with the company, agreeing as a condition of employment not to join a union?

You do realize, that there is no "Chicago School of Economics," right? That it's just a school of thought?

You can try to argue semantics til you're blue in the face, these were your words.

As I've stated, the term is synonymous and directly connected to the economics dep't of the University of Chicago.
Using the line that there are other opinons expressed doesn't take away from the fact that the school exists.

I've never been in a union before being hired by a company.
Once hired, one joins the union or opts out through the Rand formula which allows a working person the right to not join a union while still being part of the workforce.

Under the Rand ruling, a person has the option to not join from the beginning of employment or later, if unsatisfied with the union, one has 30 days from the signing of a new collective agreement to opt out.

Having pointed this out, I hope to see your pro-union posts starting soon.

So, then you wouldn't mind at all if GM simply ceased using unions entirely? Or if they hired only people who signed a separate contract with the company, agreeing as a condition of employment not to join a union?

Good call...coersion is a big weapon in the right wing playbook.

What you suggest is probably worth some prison time if a company representative was found doing this.

Yes, I would mind.
Your circuitous thought proccesses are wearing thin again.

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Anywho!

I'm surprised I've missed this thread. I'm going to have to buy popcorn in bulk I guess.

"I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me

Thank you, Fuzzy. That's so salty and sweet. I believe I'll sample some on my Union negotiated overly long and unnecessary work break. :-P

"I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me

Thank you, Fuzzy. That's so salty and sweet. I believe I'll sample some on my Union negotiated overly long and unnecessary work break. :-P

You're welcome, you really should try a couple of æbleskiver, they are really good.

Work breaks, what is that? The only break I have is lunch break which I pay myself, it's not a part of my work time. Are you so lucky to have work breaks?

Thank you, Fuzzy. That's so salty and sweet. I believe I'll sample some on my Union negotiated overly long and unnecessary work break. :-P

You're welcome, you really should try a couple of æbleskiver, they are really good.

Work breaks, what is that? The only break I have is lunch break which I pay myself, it's not a part of my work time. Are you so lucky to have work breaks?

Yes, we get work breaks in between each of our naptime breaks on these plush cots we have. I have the nicest duvet!

"I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me

Thank you, Fuzzy. That's so salty and sweet. I believe I'll sample some on my Union negotiated overly long and unnecessary work break. :-P

You're welcome, you really should try a couple of æbleskiver, they are really good.

Work breaks, what is that? The only break I have is lunch break which I pay myself, it's not a part of my work time. Are you so lucky to have work breaks?

Yes, we get work breaks in between each of our naptime breaks on these plush cots we have. I have the nicest duvet!

WOW what a wonderful employer you have! How lucky you are to work for such a caring boss. :-D

Me, it's all

You seem to feel you have some right to the private property of others. They know that you do not, and they fight your position with all they can. As the costs of your position rise, they just buy robots, or send your jobs overseas, or cease using unions, which is why union membership in the U.S. has plummeted to record lows.

For example, those costs had risen so high in Germany that BMW decided to build the X5 (and others) exclusively in the U.S., using non-union workers, and then ship them all over the world, rather than use unionized German autoworkers. How many jobs did that create for Germany unions? Zero. They lost every single one of those jobs.

You know full well that without those companies, unions can't build cars, or do anything else. They never have, and they never will because they aren't willing or capable of doing what GM does--which is sell cars and make a profit.

Something the UAW has never been able to do.

You seem to feel you have some right to the private property of others. They know that you do not, and they fight your position with all they can. As the costs of your position rise, they just buy robots, or send your jobs overseas, or cease using unions, which is why union membership in the U.S. has plummeted to record lows.

For example, those costs had risen so high in Germany that BMW decided to build the X5 (and others) exclusively in the U.S., using non-union workers, and then ship them all over the world, rather than use unionized German autoworkers. How many jobs did that create for Germany unions? Zero. They lost every single one of those jobs.

You know full well that without those companies, unions can't build cars, or do anything else. They never have, and they never will because they aren't willing or capable of doing what GM does--which is sell cars and make a profit.

Something the UAW has never been able to do.

Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital.
Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could not have existed if labor had not first existed.
Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.

You seem to feel you have some right to the private property of others. They know that you do not, and they fight your position with all they can. As the costs of your position rise, they just buy robots, or send your jobs overseas, or cease using unions, which is why union membership in the U.S. has plummeted to record lows.

For example, those costs had risen so high in Germany that BMW decided to build the X5 (and others) exclusively in the U.S., using non-union workers, and then ship them all over the world, rather than use unionized German autoworkers. How many jobs did that create for Germany unions? Zero. They lost every single one of those jobs.

You know full well that without those companies, unions can't build cars, or do anything else. They never have, and they never will because they aren't willing or capable of doing what GM does--which is sell cars and make a profit.

Something the UAW has never been able to do.

Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital.
Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could not have existed if labor had not first existed.
Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.