Fair Warning!!!!

If we stay out of topic, i will close the thread.

Thank you!

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In this simplistic example, the only conclusion one can draw is that corporations should not be taxed and this will enable them to pass the savings on to consumers.

I think I disagree.

No, the obvious conclusion is that it doesn't matter whether you tax the corporations or not, the "workin' folk" or the consumers (any term is fine), always pay 100% of any taxes, tariffs, costs of regulations, or whatever.

If you stop taxing the corporations (anyone) competition drives costs down. Just like the computer companies, television set companies, mobile phone companies, et cetera, they're all killing each other to drive prices lower and still make a profit. None of them can say, "Hey, no more taxes, windfall!" and keep their prices high, because the other companies will (do) drop their prices to take customers from the one that does not.

I think any corporation or company making profit needs to pay it's own way. Corporations make use of the commons as do the citizens of communities, states or provinces and countries. In fact, they use more than regular citizens.
They use the roads to ship goods. They use the water and sewers. They use electricity. They seek the protection of the police and fire dept's.

These are expensive to build and maintain, and while paying taxes is never a pleasure, it's the price we all accept as members of society.

Corporations are not exempt.

None of this has anything to do with the point. You could tax corporations 100%, you could tax them 1%, it doesn't matter, the person who buys their goods, pays 100% of that tax, just like they pay for 100% of the raw materials and labor that go into whatever they're buying.

Corporations don't "pay their own way" because they cannot, they are simply taking more of your money, in the form of higher prices, to pay those taxes. While paying taxes is never a pleasure, you will pay 100% of corporate taxes, 100% of the time, as part of the price you accept as a consumer.

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Cordially,
Rush

elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

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You still will not define your terms, sir. You will not debate on civilized terms. YU refuse to be honest. Your only 'thing' is to 'feel sorry for me'...Mmmmm

Get facts and logic in your debates and SCREW YOUR DAMN UNION that makes it so hard for others.

Don't ever come at me again with nonsense arguments again. Say what you have to say and be done with it. I PITY YOU...

How's that? I look down on you...does that make you feel better?

Now, if yu choose now to talk logic and facts then get to it post haste. You hurt 'workers'.....the union reps pay people like me to make you smell better.

Forgive me please
I realize now that I've engaged in a battle of wits with an unarmed man.

I'm going to enforce the leftist mercy rule...

"Whereas it is well known that Dittoheads will never concede defeat, even in the face of overwhelming logic and truth,
and whereas, in the face of certain defeat, they will lose control of all bodily functions, including rational thought,
therefore be it resolved that anyone with leftist leanings and concern for the wellbeing of the working class shall ignore any further attempts at contact until said Dittohead comes up with some real answers instead of more Friedman/Limbaugh garbage."

Good day sir[/quote]

More Nonsense sir. I don't court with LIARS. You are now LYING, SIR.
'Dittoheads' ??

I have already told you that I am NOT Conservative. YET You continue to malign me as such. You refer to me as some sort of 'Rush Limbaugh' supporter which I am clearly NOT.

I do not engage in debate, argument, or conversation with people that are outright liars.

You are lying, Robert!. I have stated my position repeatedly and you apparently AGAIN have not read my logic.

Take a damn hike.

Oh, and I see you enlisted a stalker of mine to help....2 points!

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Founder of BOINC team Objectivists. Oh the humanity! Rational people crunching data!
I did NOT authorize this belly writing!

Well Scary Capitalist, you sure do try hard to live up to your name.
First, I should like to point out that I am pictured heading out for a ride on my brother's motorcycle. Please feel free to now chastise me for being too lazy to own it myself. I can only state that I seem to feel it is much more important to me that my children are provided for than to own a Harley.
I guess you should thank your lucky stars that your folks didn't believe as you do that no one should be responsible for anyone but themselves or they'd have left you to fend for yourself as an infant. (In which case, I wouldn't be forced to argue this drivel)

Robert didn't make that point. Rational people do not let their infants fend for themselves. Nothing in Robert's statements suggest that people that think as he does would abandon their families anymore than anyone else does.

The problem with this entire exchange of ideas is that you are coming from a position that isn't based in fact.
You seem to believe that the choice is one between capitalism and everything else.

I think it's important to point out to you that capitalism is an ECONOMIC SYSTEM, not a political system. When you state "Capitalism is the system that PROHIBITS SLAVERY", you are flat wrong. Try passing that off as truth to the African plantation "volunteers" brought over to America for, what I must assume you believe to be, a nice holiday. American slavery happened under a capitalist society.
Before you get in my face about being self righteous, let me also admit that slavery also happened here in Canada and that we, as a society are not the innocents many believe.

That had nothing to do with the political system at the time, and every bit to do with people initiating force or fraud on other. Slavers were wrong, not because of the political system they were from, but because initiating force against others is wrong.

If you wish, I'll give many examples to back up this next bit.
Everywhere laissez-faire economics is practiced, in it's fully unregulated glory, people are imprisoned, tortured and killed.
Everywhere the University of Chicago School of Economics grads become involved with government policy through the IMF and World Bank, there is hardship, grief and dispare.

Wow, what empty generalizations. Do you have any specifics? Can you cite even one place where laissez-faire economics is practiced?

The policies of Milton Friedman and his followers are nothing short of corporate fascism. Woe to the citizens of any country unlucky enough to fall within their sights. Chile included.
Everything you hold up as a glowing example of freedom, democracy and capitalist opportunity is in truth a nightmare for the vast majority of people.

Why? Because you sez so? Because frankly, I've seen nothing that suggests that you understand the differences between the various schools of economic thought.

Friedman's book "Capitalism and Freedom" seems to have mined a vein in American culture. The problem with this being most people seem to have read the title and ignored the content. I include you in that group.

Taken at face value, one could include you in that group as well.

I feel somewhat sorry for you in another way though. How alone you must feel. Facing everything as an individual, no one to turn to, no one to rely on for help. I have quite a network of friends. I am a member in good standing of a union. I have support and aid when I need it.
I don't stand alone. I am part of a community.

You shouldn't feel sorry for him. He doesn't need to feel alone at all, because he doesn't have to face everything as an individual. He has people to turn to, and to rely on when he needs help. And guess what, they are the people that think the same things that he does. He has a network of friends, all of whom who have striven mightily to destroy unions, and if their membership statistics are any indication over the past 30 years, they've been quite successful. He has support and aid when he asks for it, he doesn't stand alone, and he is part of a community. None of these things are precluded by believing that you don't have the right to force anyone to do as you do, or to think as you do.

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Cordially,
Rush

elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

It's truly a good story. It's also true that we spend a fortune on education in England, and some of the brightest leave and go abroad. They call it the brain drain, most likely due to the numerous taxes we chase people away with.

The cost of livng...although taxes are a part of that.

Cost of housing in the UK has a much greater impact that the taxes :(

We solved the housing cost problem here in the states. It's called an overbloated easy credit market. The market failed and housing prices have dropped through the floor.

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Hopefully the cosmos is not trying to reverse the charges.
Moderation in all things.

I agree with you here, R.Waite. I believe Rush was in error or at least being non detailed and specific. If corporations didn't have to concern themselves with higher corporate taxes they wouldn't bother to oppose them. The truth is that it lowers their profits and efficiency, production (eg crap you insist on being provided with).

I didn't say anything resembling that "corporations didn't have to concern themselves with higher corporate taxes," because of course they do, it's another cost, like higher prices for raw materials, and labor, and steel, and everything else that they use.

While I did not say they need not be concerned with higher taxes, I did say that no matter what the tax rate is, the consumer pays 100% of those taxes in the form of higher prices because those costs (taxes) are added directly to the price of an item, just as the cost of the raw materials are.

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Cordially,
Rush

elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

Looks can be deceiving.. hmm.. well.. if so.. what about this one:

I have been looking at you Robert… all your words..
you use thousands of them in the threads, discussing issues.. but its all so unpersonal..
These words.. If I pick away from you every one of them, until I find the silent you.. Who are you then…? Would your passion finally give some light to the love in the bottom of the egoist.. Only in that way anyone will believe in what you have to say. I will like to see all your posts, containing not only the surface , but also the light inside ;-) ;-)

..be careful now with your reactions.. lol..

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You think that I don't even mean
A single word I say
It's only words, and words are all I have
To take your heart away

Bee Gees - Words

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Well Scary Capitalist, you sure do try hard to live up to your name.
First, I should like to point out that I am pictured heading out for a ride on my brother's motorcycle. Please feel free to now chastise me for being too lazy to own it myself. I can only state that I seem to feel it is much more important to me that my children are provided for than to own a Harley.
I guess you should thank your lucky stars that your folks didn't believe as you do that no one should be responsible for anyone but themselves or they'd have left you to fend for yourself as an infant. (In which case, I wouldn't be forced to argue this drivel)

Robert didn't make that point. Rational people do not let their infants fend for themselves. Nothing in Robert's statements suggest that people that think as he does would abandon their families anymore than anyone else does.

The problem with this entire exchange of ideas is that you are coming from a position that isn't based in fact.
You seem to believe that the choice is one between capitalism and everything else.

I think it's important to point out to you that capitalism is an ECONOMIC SYSTEM, not a political system. When you state "Capitalism is the system that PROHIBITS SLAVERY", you are flat wrong. Try passing that off as truth to the African plantation "volunteers" brought over to America for, what I must assume you believe to be, a nice holiday. American slavery happened under a capitalist society.
Before you get in my face about being self righteous, let me also admit that slavery also happened here in Canada and that we, as a society are not the innocents many believe.

That had nothing to do with the political system at the time, and every bit to do with people initiating force or fraud on other. Slavers were wrong, not because of the political system they were from, but because initiating force against others is wrong.

If you wish, I'll give many examples to back up this next bit.
Everywhere laissez-faire economics is practiced, in it's fully unregulated glory, people are imprisoned, tortured and killed.
Everywhere the University of Chicago School of Economics grads become involved with government policy through the IMF and World Bank, there is hardship, grief and dispare.

Wow, what empty generalizations. Do you have any specifics? Can you cite even one place where laissez-faire economics is practiced?

The policies of Milton Friedman and his followers are nothing short of corporate fascism. Woe to the citizens of any country unlucky enough to fall within their sights. Chile included.
Everything you hold up as a glowing example of freedom, democracy and capitalist opportunity is in truth a nightmare for the vast majority of people.

Why? Because you sez so? Because frankly, I've seen nothing that suggests that you understand the differences between the various schools of economic thought.

Friedman's book "Capitalism and Freedom" seems to have mined a vein in American culture. The problem with this being most people seem to have read the title and ignored the content. I include you in that group.

Taken at face value, one could include you in that group as well.

I feel somewhat sorry for you in another way though. How alone you must feel. Facing everything as an individual, no one to turn to, no one to rely on for help. I have quite a network of friends. I am a member in good standing of a union. I have support and aid when I need it.
I don't stand alone. I am part of a community.

You shouldn't feel sorry for him. He doesn't need to feel alone at all, because he doesn't have to face everything as an individual. He has people to turn to, and to rely on when he needs help. And guess what, they are the people that think the same things that he does. He has a network of friends, all of whom who have striven mightily to destroy unions, and if their membership statistics are any indication over the past 30 years, they've been quite successful. He has support and aid when he asks for it, he doesn't stand alone, and he is part of a community. None of these things are precluded by believing that you don't have the right to force anyone to do as you do, or to think as you do.

I'm in love with an idea. The personal relations are of course another matter. Rush is right. People that think like me...that acknowledge that it's ok to give without debt...true charity....for true causes..are quite proper for normal folks. I'm sure that if I were to go stumbling down the street after being mugged (how many I left unconscious is up for a gamble. hehe) and he found me I'd be just well sorted for a few days.

Per your idea of my 'psychology': Do I feel alone? Yes. Sometimes. Generally speaking it's because I happen to be alone! Asshats~! :-P

I'm tired of being preached to about charity when it comes from everybody else's money. The U.S. gives almost all of those grain bags to Africa....via UniCef and others. I now boycott those children. Why? They relabel the bags of food to show that it comes from the U.N. instead of the U.S.A. the most charitable nation in the HISTORY OF WORLD. The EUROWEENIES love to compare the statistics of GOVERNMENT expenditures of that continent vs GOVERNMENT expenditures of the usa. They scam us by ignoring the fact that the charity comes from us in private donations......almost half or so of the WHOLE GODDAMMM WORLD charity. And the usa citizens are still maligned.

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Founder of BOINC team Objectivists. Oh the humanity! Rational people crunching data!
I did NOT authorize this belly writing!

You think that I don't even mean
A single word I say
It's only words, and words are all I have
To take your heart away

Bee Gees - Words

;-) ..that one also sings.. ;-) but yes..

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Well Scary Capitalist, you sure do try hard to live up to your name.
First, I should like to point out that I am pictured heading out for a ride on my brother's motorcycle. Please feel free to now chastise me for being too lazy to own it myself. I can only state that I seem to feel it is much more important to me that my children are provided for than to own a Harley.
I guess you should thank your lucky stars that your folks didn't believe as you do that no one should be responsible for anyone but themselves or they'd have left you to fend for yourself as an infant. (In which case, I wouldn't be forced to argue this drivel)

Robert didn't make that point. Rational people do not let their infants fend for themselves. Nothing in Robert's statements suggest that people that think as he does would abandon their families anymore than anyone else does.

The problem with this entire exchange of ideas is that you are coming from a position that isn't based in fact.
You seem to believe that the choice is one between capitalism and everything else.

I think it's important to point out to you that capitalism is an ECONOMIC SYSTEM, not a political system. When you state "Capitalism is the system that PROHIBITS SLAVERY", you are flat wrong. Try passing that off as truth to the African plantation "volunteers" brought over to America for, what I must assume you believe to be, a nice holiday. American slavery happened under a capitalist society.
Before you get in my face about being self righteous, let me also admit that slavery also happened here in Canada and that we, as a society are not the innocents many believe.

That had nothing to do with the political system at the time, and every bit to do with people initiating force or fraud on other. Slavers were wrong, not because of the political system they were from, but because initiating force against others is wrong.

If you wish, I'll give many examples to back up this next bit.
Everywhere laissez-faire economics is practiced, in it's fully unregulated glory, people are imprisoned, tortured and killed.
Everywhere the University of Chicago School of Economics grads become involved with government policy through the IMF and World Bank, there is hardship, grief and dispare.

Wow, what empty generalizations. Do you have any specifics? Can you cite even one place where laissez-faire economics is practiced?

The policies of Milton Friedman and his followers are nothing short of corporate fascism. Woe to the citizens of any country unlucky enough to fall within their sights. Chile included.
Everything you hold up as a glowing example of freedom, democracy and capitalist opportunity is in truth a nightmare for the vast majority of people.

Why? Because you sez so? Because frankly, I've seen nothing that suggests that you understand the differences between the various schools of economic thought.

Friedman's book "Capitalism and Freedom" seems to have mined a vein in American culture. The problem with this being most people seem to have read the title and ignored the content. I include you in that group.

Taken at face value, one could include you in that group as well.

I feel somewhat sorry for you in another way though. How alone you must feel. Facing everything as an individual, no one to turn to, no one to rely on for help. I have quite a network of friends. I am a member in good standing of a union. I have support and aid when I need it.
I don't stand alone. I am part of a community.

You shouldn't feel sorry for him. He doesn't need to feel alone at all, because he doesn't have to face everything as an individual. He has people to turn to, and to rely on when he needs help. And guess what, they are the people that think the same things that he does. He has a network of friends, all of whom who have striven mightily to destroy unions, and if their membership statistics are any indication over the past 30 years, they've been quite successful. He has support and aid when he asks for it, he doesn't stand alone, and he is part of a community. None of these things are precluded by believing that you don't have the right to force anyone to do as you do, or to think as you do.

I'm in love with an idea. The personal relations are of course another matter. Rush is right. People that think like me...that acknowledge that it's ok to give without debt...true charity....for true causes..are quite proper for normal folks. I'm sure that if I were to go stumbling down the street after being mugged (how many I left unconscious is up for a gamble. hehe) and he found me I'd be just well sorted for a few days.

Per your idea of my 'psychology': Do I feel alone? Yes. Sometimes. Generally speaking it's because I happen to be alone! Asshats~! :-P

I'm tired of being preached to about charity when it comes from everybody else's money. The U.S. gives almost all of those grain bags to Africa....via UniCef and others. I now boycott those children. Why? They relabel the bags of food to show that it comes from the U.N. instead of the U.S.A. the most charitable nation in the HISTORY OF WORLD. The EUROWEENIES love to compare the statistics of GOVERNMENT expenditures of that continent vs GOVERNMENT expenditures of the usa. They scam us by ignoring the fact that the charity comes from us in private donations......almost half or so of the WHOLE GODDAMMM WORLD charity. And the usa citizens are still maligned.

;-)

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You can easily judge the character of others by
how they treat those who they think can do nothing
for them.

What happened here in this thread?

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You can easily judge the character of others by
how they treat those who they think can do nothing
for them.

What happened here in this thread?

I guess it got hijacked....(i did like ur stanford story even if it wasn't true)

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Founder of BOINC team Objectivists. Oh the humanity! Rational people crunching data!
I did NOT authorize this belly writing!

I gave a fair warning.

Thread is closed now! Dominique, please call the mod list, if you want to reopen the thread.

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