ups...a quick look in the datasheet shows this
old AMD Athlons support only "MMX, SSE and 3DNow!".

Sorry Sirius_B, for these AMDs you have to use the
SSE version of the chicken app:

http://calbe.dw70.de/2.4/2.85/2.4v_Windows_x32_SSE.zip

Thanks Astro, Jim for the hint.

Helli

You guys are brilliant!

My XP1600 has changed it's mind, it now prefers "Chicken".

Many thanks!

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You guys are brilliant!

My XP1600 has changed it's mind, it now prefers "Chicken".

Many thanks![/quote]

Oops... Just noticed my XP2000 throwing a "sickie" - repaired, it didn't like SSE2.

All 3 now running great. Thanks

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Oops... Just noticed my XP2000 throwing a "sickie" - repaired, it didn't like SSE2.

All 3 now running great. Thanks

Seems like some AMD chips report as having SSE2 but they are not "fully" SSE2 compatible. I believe the problem is that they contain most, but not all, of the SSE2 instructions so some programs using SSE2 will run fine, while others fail depending on the specific SSE2 instructions called.

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Jim

Some people plan their life out and look back at the wealth they've had.
Others live life day by day and look back at the wealth of experiences and enjoyment they've had.

Oops... Just noticed my XP2000 throwing a "sickie" - repaired, it didn't like SSE2.

Athlon Classic = MMX only

Athlon XP = MMX & SSE

Athlon 64 = MMX, SSE & SSE2*

Athlon 64 X2 = MMX, SSE, SSE2 & SSE3


The problem is that your Athlon XP 2000 doesn't support SSE2.


*There were some Athlon 64's (pre-X2) that support SSE3, but not many! It all depends on what core Athlon 64 you have as to whether is supports SSE3.

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Oops... Just noticed my XP2000 throwing a "sickie" - repaired, it didn't like SSE2.

Athlon Classic = MMX only

Athlon XP = MMX & SSE

Athlon 64 = MMX, SSE & SSE2*

Athlon 64 X2 = MMX, SSE, SSE2 & SSE3


The problem is that your Athlon XP 2000 doesn't support SSE2.


*There were some Athlon 64's (pre-X2) that support SSE3, but not many! It all depends on what core Athlon 64 you have as to whether is supports SSE3.

Thanks Guys.

Another great thread to save offline for future reference!

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Oops... Just noticed my XP2000 throwing a "sickie" - repaired, it didn't like SSE2.

Athlon Classic = MMX only

Athlon XP = MMX & SSE

Athlon 64 = MMX, SSE & SSE2*

Athlon 64 X2 = MMX, SSE, SSE2 & SSE3


The problem is that your Athlon XP 2000 doesn't support SSE2.


*There were some Athlon 64's (pre-X2) that support SSE3, but not many! It all depends on what core Athlon 64 you have as to whether is supports SSE3.

Thanks Guys.

Another great thread to save offline for future reference!

Running on chickens for the past 2 days, no problems.

No longer OXO cubes for my babies - They will be fed constantly on "Chicken Soup"!!!!

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Its nice to hear, that you have done the jump on the high speed train successfully. :-)

Helli

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A loooong time ago: First Credits after SETI@home Restart

Its nice to hear, that you have done the jump on the high speed train successfully. :-)

High speed trains are great, but sometimes it's a good idea to wait until they stop at the station before you try to jump on them.

From my message 627773 down-thread:

.... their dis-engagement can come back to haunt them in the months and years to come.

Unfortunately, in this case it came back in 1 minute 5 seconds....

Since it's now got buried in the middle of the thread, can I remind people that there are some instructions in here somewhere, which can help prevent things going wrong? You can use the tools recommended while BOINC is running: if you do all your research and preparation beforehand, including copying the files, you can upgrade from stock to chicken and only lose about 15 seconds crunch-time. But if you get it wrong, you lose any work that you've done so far, and you're offline and crunchless for much longer if you have to do the research after the event.

A little planning pays dividends in the long term.

Its nice to hear, that you have done the jump on the high speed train successfully. :-)

High speed trains are great, but sometimes it's a good idea to wait until they stop at the station before you try to jump on them.

From my message 627773 down-thread:

.... their dis-engagement can come back to haunt them in the months and years to come.

Unfortunately, in this case it came back in 1 minute 5 seconds....

Since it's now got buried in the middle of the thread, can I remind people that there are some instructions in here somewhere, which can help prevent things going wrong? You can use the tools recommended while BOINC is running: if you do all your research and preparation beforehand, including copying the files, you can upgrade from stock to chicken and only lose about 15 seconds crunch-time. But if you get it wrong, you lose any work that you've done so far, and you're offline and crunchless for much longer if you have to do the research after the event.

A little planning pays dividends in the long term.

Again, well stated Richard. I should have taken your post onboard & done things slowly. As everything worked A O K on my X2, I did not stop & think & installed on the other systems. THEY BROKE! Ah well...Live & Learn.

I've re-saved this thread so that when I look back, I can see how stupid I was.

Everything ok now, but when it comes to upgrade the "chickens", it will be done slowly, individually & carefully.

Regards

PJ

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looks like you just learned the 6 P's law;

Planning and
Preparation
Prevent
P*ss
Poor
Performance

Andy

looks like you just learned the 6 P's law;

Planning and
Preparation
Prevent
P*ss
Poor
Performance

Andy

Nice one Andy, can I have your permission to "borrow" your qoute & use it for my customers with regards to "spur of the moment upgrades"?

Regards

PJ

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looks like you just learned the 6 P's law;

Planning and
Preparation
Prevent
P*ss
Poor
Performance

Andy

Nice one Andy, can I have your permission to "borrow" your qoute & use it for my customers with regards to "spur of the moment upgrades"?

Regards

PJ

Use it as much as you want, I first came across it in the Army.

Andy

looks like you just learned the 6 P's law;

Planning and
Preparation
Prevent
P*ss
Poor
Performance

Andy

Nice one Andy, can I have your permission to "borrow" your qoute & use it for my customers with regards to "spur of the moment upgrades"?

Regards

PJ

Use it as much as you want, I first came across it in the Army.

Andy

Many thanks. To be polite to my customers, I will have to change"P*ss" to "Pathetically"

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Hi,

Oh, and the main difference - the chicken apps are faster. Much faster.

Unfortunately, not on my system ... ;-)

Two new results:

5.27 stock app:
result #595481563, AR 0.386386, CPU time: 26459 secs

KWSN_2.4V_MB_SSE (the new one downloaded from Crunch3r's site):
result #595481573, AR 0.386386, CPU time: 26863 secs

Regards,
Carsten

Hi,

Oh, and the main difference - the chicken apps are faster. Much faster.

Unfortunately, not on my system ... ;-)

Two new results:

5.27 stock app:
result #595481563, AR 0.386386, CPU time: 26459 secs

KWSN_2.4V_MB_SSE (the new one downloaded from Crunch3r's site):
result #595481573, AR 0.386386, CPU time: 26863 secs

Regards,
Carsten

This is due to the new stock app having sse built in (for PC's that support it) ;)

BoB

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Hi,

Oh, and the main difference - the chicken apps are faster. Much faster.

Unfortunately, not on my system ... ;-)

Two new results:

5.27 stock app:
result #595481563, AR 0.386386, CPU time: 26459 secs

KWSN_2.4V_MB_SSE (the new one downloaded from Crunch3r's site):
result #595481573, AR 0.386386, CPU time: 26863 secs

Regards,
Carsten

This is due to the new stock app having sse built in (for PC's that support it) ;)

BoB

The Chicken is learning from the Rooster. Many of the non-platform-specific optimizations developed in the Chicken Coop have now been incorporated into the stock app. That is why the Chicken apps do not have the percentage of advantage that they once had over stock. But they are still faster in most cases on a given platform.

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"Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once."

Hi,

thank you BoB and msattler for your quick answers.

This is due to the new stock app having sse built in (for PC's that support it) ;)

Ah, thanks. That is new to me. That's the explanation I was looking for ... ;-) (I should have had a closer look to the result pages before ...)

Many of the non-platform-specific optimizations developed in the Chicken Coop have now been incorporated into the stock app. That is why the Chicken apps do not have the percentage of advantage that they once had over stock.

Yes, I know. But I was wondering why the use of the SSE instruction set doesn't give an advantage anymore. But now I have the answer ... :-)

Regards,
Carsten

Hi,

thank you BoB and msattler for your quick answers.

This is due to the new stock app having sse built in (for PC's that support it) ;)

Ah, thanks. That is new to me. That's the explanation I was looking for ... ;-) (I should have had a closer look to the result pages before ...)

Many of the non-platform-specific optimizations developed in the Chicken Coop have now been incorporated into the stock app. That is why the Chicken apps do not have the percentage of advantage that they once had over stock.

Yes, I know. But I was wondering why the use of the SSE instruction set doesn't give an advantage anymore. But now I have the answer ... :-)

Regards,
Carsten

You have only a partial answer. Specific hand optimized SSE functions are common to both, that's true. In both cases those functions are in the group of routines which are tested at runtime and chosen based on accuracy and speed. In large part they are responsible for the increased speed of 5.27.

However, the Chicken SSE app is built with the Intel Compiler version 10, the xK option which tells it to optimize the whole program for a PIII, plus generic optimization. Stock 5.27 is built with GCC 3.4.2 and limited to instructions which work on any 80386 or better x86 system, plus any generic optimizations the compiler can do within those limitations. Why the highly touted Intel compiler doesn't beat a two year old version of GCC is definitely a puzzle.

                                                                 Joe

Another helpful thread, must think of some more. Thanks guys.

Question...

Are the bionc preferences recognised across the board. i.e., if I change them on one system, will they affect the others?

Regards

PJ

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Are the bionc preferences recognised across the board. i.e., if I change them on one system, will they affect the others?

Preferences set at the website, yes, except on those systems running a recent BOINC client that have local preferences turned on, or those that are otherwise overriding the preferences. And, of course, those that are in a different “venue” from that for which the prefs were set.

Your BOINC general preferences can be updated at any project website where you have hosts attached; they’ll eventually propagate to all your other projects.

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