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Luke Send message Joined: 31 Dec 06 Posts: 2546 Credit: 817,560 RAC: 0 ![]() |
Hello, I'm a bit confused, what is Einstein and Chicken Soup 2.2B, what do they do and where do i download them? Thank You |
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OzzFan ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 ![]() ![]() |
Hello, More specifically to what Philly said above, Chicken Soup is a phrase coined by the SETIzens around here that refers to an optimized SETI@Home application compiled by the folks at http://lunatics.at. I believe the "chicken" phrase came about because one of the fellas that code the optimized apps went by the name Chicken of Angor (real name is Simon). So people started calling it the Chicken app, or chicken soup. Einstein is a science project that you can attach to, just like SETI@Home. You are aware that BOINC allows you to connect to multiple projects and isn't just an upgrade to the old SETI@Home, right? :-p |
Luke Send message Joined: 31 Dec 06 Posts: 2546 Credit: 817,560 RAC: 0 ![]() |
Hello, Yea Yea, I once added 2 other projects, think i can remember that they were PrimeGrid and Chess960? Kept on going over the Deadlines for my WU's, so i decided to remove them, thanks any way! |
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Einstein is a separate project. You would need to attach to it, if interested. Visit their site @ http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/ and see if you are interested. ![]() My movie https://vimeo.com/manage/videos/502242 |
OzzFan ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 ![]() ![]() |
Yea Yea, I once added 2 other projects, think i can remember that they were PrimeGrid and Chess960? Kept on going over the Deadlines for my WU's, so i decided to remove them, thanks any way! OK, as long as you're aware. ;-) |
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... went by the name Chicken of Angor (real name is Simon). So people started calling it the Chicken app, or chicken soup. I thought it was more a corruption of Chicken Co-op (cooperative group) -> Chicken Coup (chickens enclosure, and/or "brilliantly executed stratagem; a triumph") -> Chicken Soup (as in a mixture or what is eaten) ... Regardless, the optimisations of both the code and the algorithms have become a science and engineering fest in their own right! A Journal paper is long overdue!! Happy crunchin', Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
OzzFan ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 ![]() ![]() |
... went by the name Chicken of Angor (real name is Simon). So people started calling it the Chicken app, or chicken soup. Well, I suppose that could be true. From my perspective and viewing these boards, what I stated is what I thought to be true anyway. But you're right, regardless of how the name came to be, it is certainly a good thing for all. |
kittyman ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51527 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 ![]() ![]() |
... went by the name Chicken of Angor (real name is Simon). So people started calling it the Chicken app, or chicken soup. Chicken of Angnor is Simon's handle over on the KWSN (The Knights Who Say Ni!) team. That's where the Chicken part came from. I think I started referring to the optimizing collective working with Simon as being part of the 'Chicken Coop'. Somebody before me started referring to Chicken Soup. And the rest is Chicken history..... "Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once." ![]() |
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...And the rest is Chicken history..... Chick'n-lickin'-good! :-) Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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To make things clear for Luke, Simon's (Chicken's) cruncher crunches Seti, not Einstein. When I crunch Einstein, I get only about 40 percent of the credits that I do when crunching Seti with Simon's cruncher. Simon and other developers have optimized his (and their) cruncher to calculate more than twice as fast as unoptimized (or slightly optimized) crunchers. I don't know the story at Einstein but I can guess that its cruncher is not optimized. I haven't tried any other projects but can guess that none of their crunchers is optimized. |
Luke Send message Joined: 31 Dec 06 Posts: 2546 Credit: 817,560 RAC: 0 ![]() |
Thanks for the help, Still havin' trouble downloading the app. According to OzzFan i can only support (v2.2B SSE2 ???), i'm actually more concerned of BOINC or my WU's stuffing up though, Keep on Crunchin' |
Luke Send message Joined: 31 Dec 06 Posts: 2546 Credit: 817,560 RAC: 0 ![]() |
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... I don't know the story at Einstein but I can guess that its cruncher is not optimized. Akos over there is working on optimising the "hot loops" in there that will then be rolled out as the standard science application. Don't know whether it is a work in progress or if already done. Happy crunchin', Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
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[quote]Ok, downloaded 2.2B SSE2 P4 - What program do i open it with exactly You first shut down the Boinc Manager. Then "copy" the 3 files from the extracted "files to install" folder and put them in the BOINC/projects/setiathome file. Now you can restart BOINC and you will see in your messages that BOINC sees the app_info.xml;using anonymous platform, now you will notice the increase in speed for the WU's to be crunched..... |
Brian Silvers Send message Joined: 11 Jun 99 Posts: 1681 Credit: 492,052 RAC: 0 ![]() |
Work in progress... There are some substantial bugs involving cross-platform validation, most notably Linux vs. Windows, with Linux usually getting the raw deal because of the host ratio over there is heavily in favor of Windows. The validation issue doesn't happen all the time. It seems to be with specific frequency ranges. That being said though, the cross-platform issue of "not getting credit" is only the volunteer-visible portion of the problem. From what has been said, any time a cross-platform problem happens, all of the results are actually likely to be invald, it just happens that there is a strongly matched pair between with one OS...and the other OS apparently is not even weakly similar. Anyway, performance is better on AMD/Windows now, but because of not knowing if results that I turn in will have to be redone, and the curiosity of how high of a RAC I can sustain here, I'm not doing much over there now. I have one result left to do that's going to take about 21.4 hours for 425.70 credit, or about 19.9 cr/hr... Comparable Linux machines get about 22-23cr/hr, so there's still a speed difference between the Linux and Windows apps... |
kittyman ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51527 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 ![]() ![]() |
[quote]Ok, downloaded 2.2B SSE2 P4 - What program do i open it with exactly I think he may be asking first how to unzip it. Download 7zip and install. Very troublefree program, works on almost all compression formats. "Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once." ![]() |
Luke Send message Joined: 31 Dec 06 Posts: 2546 Credit: 817,560 RAC: 0 ![]() |
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Alinator Send message Joined: 19 Apr 05 Posts: 4178 Credit: 4,647,982 RAC: 0 ![]() |
Have not noticed any increased speed at all, did exactly as instructed, any ideas? Give it some time. You haven't even returned a result yet which indicates you ran the Coop on it. Alinator |
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Have not noticed any increased speed at all, did exactly as instructed, any ideas? Double check in your task manager and insure the seti program that is running starts with KWSN.........., and not the stock program. You 'may' have to reboot to make the Chicken Soup 'hot' :) |
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