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Message 593621 - Posted: 27 Jun 2007, 14:37:26 UTC

How many have been banned so far?
Also, post here if you'd like to be banned. ;)
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Message 593622 - Posted: 27 Jun 2007, 14:45:54 UTC
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I have been banned because I outed a spammer, unfortunately he was a mod as well.

I've been banned by Braun Almighty, dictator of Predictor, as well, because I dared to protest against his censorship. There I've been completely erased with all 10K credits and all posts.
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Message 593624 - Posted: 27 Jun 2007, 14:56:18 UTC

I haven't been banned yet, but I think if I don't quit writing about my discontent (which I'm not intended to do) I will be banned soon enough :)
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Message 593930 - Posted: 27 Jun 2007, 22:58:40 UTC


I have been banned by SETI@Home twice.


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Message 593975 - Posted: 27 Jun 2007, 23:53:09 UTC

No, but I suspect today just might be the day...
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Message 593976 - Posted: 27 Jun 2007, 23:56:07 UTC - in response to Message 593624.  

I haven't been banned yet, but I think if I don't quit writing about my discontent (which I'm not intended to do) I will be banned soon enough :)

That won't get you banned. Repeatedly breaking the posting rules will. You should read them every time you post:

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I don't find them difficult . . . but I have broken them at times when my temper rose. Still, I have not been banned (knock on wood).
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Message 593999 - Posted: 28 Jun 2007, 0:22:32 UTC - in response to Message 593976.  

I haven't been banned yet, but I think if I don't quit writing about my discontent (which I'm not intended to do) I will be banned soon enough :)

That won't get you banned. Repeatedly breaking the posting rules will. You should read them every time you post:

•Posts must be 'kid friendly': they may not contain content that is obscene, hate-related, sexually explicit or suggestive.
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I don't find them difficult . . . but I have broken them at times when my temper rose. Still, I have not been banned (knock on wood).

Especially repeating a post that was deleted several times. If you disagree with a moderation decision, send an email to the moderator list. We may or may not agree with your take on it, but we do listen.



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Message 594010 - Posted: 28 Jun 2007, 0:37:44 UTC - in response to Message 593999.  
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I haven't been banned yet, but I think if I don't quit writing about my discontent (which I'm not intended to do) I will be banned soon enough :)

That won't get you banned. Repeatedly breaking the posting rules will. You should read them every time you post:

•Posts must be 'kid friendly': they may not contain content that is obscene, hate-related, sexually explicit or suggestive.
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I don't find them difficult . . . but I have broken them at times when my temper rose. Still, I have not been banned (knock on wood).

Especially repeating a post that was deleted several times. If you disagree with a moderation decision, send an email to the moderator list. We may or may not agree with your take on it, but we do listen.


Perhaps this information is considered not for public consumption but I would like to know.

Let's say a poster posts a message which is modded by a mod (let's say mod X). The poster does not agree with this. So the send an email to the mod list. What happens next? Who looks at it, mod X (who may not want to review their decision)? And what if (this is hypothetical I am not accusing any particular mod of this) mod X does not get along with the poster, mods the post. Are they the ones to review it, or will some other mod review the decision? Is there a discussion?

And also, if a poster is modded, receives an insulting/abusive email about why it was modded what should the poster do? Complain to the mod list and have it dealt by the mod who insulted them? Are they then allowed to name the mod to the mod group or show the group the email (even though they probably will not have the author's permission).

While mods are human and no one is perfect. Everyone should be held accountable for their decisions and actions (although pollies seem to always try to find a way to blame someone else).

No please excuse me, I have some work to do before my research meeting today.

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Message 594014 - Posted: 28 Jun 2007, 0:42:51 UTC

Dang, Gavin. We've been trying to discuss that for at least a month! If you haven't experienced it, count your lucky stars and perhaps you should consider not even risking having that very post modded for daring to ask the questions.
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Message 594019 - Posted: 28 Jun 2007, 0:49:41 UTC



I did not see a rule on how to close a thread that an author has started?

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Message 594020 - Posted: 28 Jun 2007, 0:50:38 UTC - in response to Message 594010.  

Perhaps this information is considered not for public consumption but I would like to know.

Let's say a poster posts a message which is modded by a mod (let's say mod X). The poster does not agree with this. So the send an email to the mod list. What happens next? Who looks at it, mod X (who may not want to review their decision)? And what if (this is hypothetical I am not accusing any particular mod of this) mod X does not get along with the poster, mods the post. Are they the ones to review it, or will some other mod review the decision? Is there a discussion?

And also, if a poster is modded, receives an insulting/abusive email about why it was modded what should the poster do? Complain to the mod list and have it dealt by the mod who insulted them? Are they then allowed to name the mod to the mod group or show the group the email (even though they probably will not have the author's permission).

While mods are human and no one is perfect. Everyone should be held accountable for their decisions and actions (although pollies seem to always try to find a way to blame someone else).

Messages sent to the modlist can be seen by all the moderators, they can not be "modded" or hidden like posts here. There is discussion and the person who sent the question/complaint will usually be answered after the discusssion, unless it becomes clear that it was simply a nuisance message.
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Message 594023 - Posted: 28 Jun 2007, 0:53:56 UTC - in response to Message 594014.  
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Dang, Gavin. We've been trying to discuss that for at least a month! If you haven't experienced it, count your lucky stars and perhaps you should consider not even risking having that very post modded for daring to ask the questions.


I'm well aware of that. However, I thought a somewhat different approach might yield some results.

If you rather we can arrange that have it removed.

EDIT: And this one and any other posts of mine that you want removed :)
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Message 594026 - Posted: 28 Jun 2007, 0:55:35 UTC - in response to Message 594020.  
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Perhaps this information is considered not for public consumption but I would like to know.

Let's say a poster posts a message which is modded by a mod (let's say mod X). The poster does not agree with this. So the send an email to the mod list. What happens next? Who looks at it, mod X (who may not want to review their decision)? And what if (this is hypothetical I am not accusing any particular mod of this) mod X does not get along with the poster, mods the post. Are they the ones to review it, or will some other mod review the decision? Is there a discussion?

And also, if a poster is modded, receives an insulting/abusive email about why it was modded what should the poster do? Complain to the mod list and have it dealt by the mod who insulted them? Are they then allowed to name the mod to the mod group or show the group the email (even though they probably will not have the author's permission).

While mods are human and no one is perfect. Everyone should be held accountable for their decisions and actions (although pollies seem to always try to find a way to blame someone else).

Messages sent to the modlist can be seen by all the moderators, they can not be "modded" or hidden like posts here. There is discussion and the person who sent the question/complaint will usually be answered after the discusssion, unless it becomes clear that it was simply a nuisance message.


Thanks, but you didn't really answer some of the finer points. Especially the second (or third if you count the first line as a paragraph) paragraph. Can you give more details on how you keep each other in line? Or is that considered closed information?

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Message 594027 - Posted: 28 Jun 2007, 0:56:17 UTC - in response to Message 594019.  



I did not see a rule on how to close a thread that an author has started?

I'm a good SETIzen :o)

The policy has been that the person who authored a thread can post in the thread that it should be closed, or post a graphic saying the thread is closed, or message the moderators using the "Red-X". It has never been policy to close a thread based on private messages or E-mails, even if it has been done in the past, since the later methods may lead to misunderstandings.
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Message 594029 - Posted: 28 Jun 2007, 1:02:00 UTC - in response to Message 594023.  

Dang, Gavin. We've been trying to discuss that for at least a month! If you haven't experienced it, count your lucky stars and perhaps you should consider not even risking having that very post modded for daring to ask the questions.


I'm well aware of that. However, I thought a somewhat different approach might yield some results.

If you rather we can arrange that have it removed.

EDIT: And this one and any other posts of mine that you want removed :)


Gavin, various methods have been tried, meeting with two kinds of responses. (A hasty estimation on my part.)
I have no desire for your post to be removed. Not at all.
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Message 594031 - Posted: 28 Jun 2007, 1:03:44 UTC - in response to Message 594026.  
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[snip]
Let's say a poster posts a message which is modded by a mod (let's say mod X). The poster does not agree with this. So the send an email to the mod list. What happens next? Who looks at it, mod X (who may not want to review their decision)? And what if (this is hypothetical I am not accusing any particular mod of this) mod X does not get along with the poster, mods the post. Are they the ones to review it, or will some other mod review the decision? Is there a discussion?

And also, if a poster is modded, receives an insulting/abusive email about why it was modded what should the poster do? Complain to the mod list and have it dealt by the mod who insulted them? Are they then allowed to name the mod to the mod group or show the group the email (even though they probably will not have the author's permission).

[snip]

Messages sent to the modlist can be seen by all the moderators, they can not be "modded" or hidden like posts here. There is discussion and the person who sent the question/complaint will usually be answered after the discusssion, unless it becomes clear that it was simply a nuisance message.

Thanks, but you didn't really answer some of the finer points. Especially the second paragraph. Can you give more details on how you keep each other in line? Or is that considered closed information?

I can not reveal what moderators have done in a given case, but I think I did answer your (general) questions. All moderators can see the message to the modlist, and all moderators discuss it. The moderator being complained about can give input (their side), but he/she is not the last word.
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Message 594057 - Posted: 28 Jun 2007, 1:24:54 UTC - in response to Message 594031.  
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[snip]
Let's say a poster posts a message which is modded by a mod (let's say mod X). The poster does not agree with this. So the send an email to the mod list. What happens next? Who looks at it, mod X (who may not want to review their decision)? And what if (this is hypothetical I am not accusing any particular mod of this) mod X does not get along with the poster, mods the post. Are they the ones to review it, or will some other mod review the decision? Is there a discussion?

And also, if a poster is modded, receives an insulting/abusive email about why it was modded what should the poster do? Complain to the mod list and have it dealt by the mod who insulted them? Are they then allowed to name the mod to the mod group or show the group the email (even though they probably will not have the author's permission).

[snip]

Messages sent to the modlist can be seen by all the moderators, they can not be "modded" or hidden like posts here. There is discussion and the person who sent the question/complaint will usually be answered after the discusssion, unless it becomes clear that it was simply a nuisance message.

Thanks, but you didn't really answer some of the finer points. Especially the second paragraph. Can you give more details on how you keep each other in line? Or is that considered closed information?

I can not reveal what moderators have done in a given case, but I think I did answer your (general) questions. All moderators can see the message to the modlist, and all moderators discuss it. The moderator being complained about can give input (their side), but he/she is not the last word.


Okay, I guess that's all we are entitled to know. But I am not asking about a particular case.

Perhaps you can answer this. I make a post. It gets modded by mod Z (I won't pick on X all the time). Mod Z email/PM me about the modding and why. In it is abusive or insulting language (or something similar, I think you understand the concept here). Something a mod or any other poster for that matter should not use. Who do I complain to about the behaviour of the mod (not the policy of modding)? Can I complain to the admins and give them a copy of the said email/PM showing what was said? Or just the mod list (with copy?) and let the mods handle it in the background (I am not saying this is good or bad)?

EDIT: My meeting was a dud so that is why I am back so soon. My meetings always get pushed around and missed because I'm considered the lowest/bottom or least important research student with my supervisor. Maybe because I don't need a lot of supervision. Just frustrating at times. Now I know why I stopped going to other research group meetings. Because I get left out of the group nearly all the time and I'm often the last one to know what is going on in my area.

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Message 594066 - Posted: 28 Jun 2007, 1:38:56 UTC
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Gavin, I'm glad Qui-Gon is discussing this with you.
Let me answer one thing, and he can either correct me or corroborate me.
If needed, you can theoretically take a complaint further, to an administrator. The problem is, they're busy with their research. You and I are in similar situations, so we can understand.
In any case, it is quite likely an e-mail you send to admin would either never be seen or they would not be able to deal with it.
There was once or twice an idea about having a super-moderator boss. I have no idea whether that is appropriate now.
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Message 594071 - Posted: 28 Jun 2007, 1:42:04 UTC - in response to Message 594066.  
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Gavin, I'm glad Qui-Gon is discussing this with you.
Let me answer one thing, and he can either correct me or corroborate me.
If needed, you can theoretically take a complaint further, to an administrator. The problem is, they're busy with their research. You and I are in similar situations, so we can understand.
In any case, it is quite likely an e-mail you send to admin would either never be seen or they would not be able to deal with it.
There was once or twice an idea about having a super-moderator boss. I have no idea whether that is appropriate now.
If the E-mail is to the setimods address in Eric's thread (the sticky one here in the Café) it will be seen. It will probably be answered, eventually, after it is discussed.
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Message 594077 - Posted: 28 Jun 2007, 1:48:01 UTC - in response to Message 594019.  

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And a pretty good car thief too... ;)
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