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Message 588319 - Posted: 17 Jun 2007, 22:35:41 UTC

Has anyone had problems getting a lot of units aborted with client errors. I amd running a Dual core AMD with Vista Ultimate. Ever since I switched from XP I get a lot of client errors. My other computers are on Windows 2003 and Windows XP Pro. They are not having this problem. This is really hurting my performance on the VIsta machine.

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Message 588320 - Posted: 17 Jun 2007, 22:37:11 UTC - in response to Message 588319.  

Has anyone had problems getting a lot of units aborted with client errors. I amd running a Dual core AMD with Vista Ultimate. Ever since I switched from XP I get a lot of client errors. My other computers are on Windows 2003 and Windows XP Pro. They are not having this problem. This is really hurting my performance on the VIsta machine.

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PS I am running the latest Version of BONIC.
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Message 588327 - Posted: 17 Jun 2007, 23:04:04 UTC

It looks like you are using 5.8.16. Try the development version (currently 5.10.7). Per the version details, it includes some code to be more compatable with Vista.

Read the version details here.
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Message 588354 - Posted: 18 Jun 2007, 0:22:55 UTC
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Don't install Boinc under the Program Files folder in Vista. It just creates headaches. Boinc wont be fully compatible with Vista at least until V6.x.x

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Message 588444 - Posted: 18 Jun 2007, 5:16:04 UTC
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I recently had the same problem. What I did was to uninstall the software from my system using the Control Panel's Add/Remove Programs section. Next, I rebooted the system, just to play it safe. I then went to the Boinc/Seti Website and and downloaded the 5.8.16 version, but I manually assigned the program to install in C:\\ instead of C:\\ProgramFiles\\Boinc. YOU MUST INSTALL in the root directory (C:\\) using Vista or you will have errors when your drive is bit locked using the new feature Bit Locker that comes automatically turned on in Vista.

After installing the way I just mentioned...everything works great, until you use multiple software items at the same time. Then, you could get a 'low memory warning' if you are not careful. I am running a Core 2 Duo 6700+ with 2 Gigs of DDR2 Dual Channel 800Mhz memory and a 2 Gig Ready Boost Flash Drive as well, and got a 'low memory warning' with these four items open at the same time: IE7, Dreamweaver, Microsoft Word, Boinc/Seti. I found that Vista System requirements on the box state "512MB System Memory OR More", and so does the new Office 2007 Professional Edition. I have ordered another Gig of memory for my machine just to play it safe...but if you are running 2 Gigs or less, I would just buy some now and avoid the headaches...Vista and Office now eat memory for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

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I just checked Microsoft's website, www.microsoft.com/vista , and under the system requirements for all versions execpt Home Basic is says 1 GIG of System Memory. Wow, that explains alot, and makes you wonder, doesn't it???
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Message 588465 - Posted: 18 Jun 2007, 7:17:16 UTC - in response to Message 588327.  

It looks like you are using 5.8.16.

Vista Home Premium running BOINC & Seti here with no problems.


Don't install Boinc under the Program Files folder in Vista. It just creates headaches.

Don't know what i did that was so different, but it installed as a Single user in C:\\programe files & runs with no problems at all.
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Message 588474 - Posted: 18 Jun 2007, 8:17:33 UTC - in response to Message 588465.  

It looks like you are using 5.8.16.

Vista Home Premium running BOINC & Seti here with no problems.


Don't install Boinc under the Program Files folder in Vista. It just creates headaches.

Don't know what i did that was so different, but it installed as a Single user in C:\\programe files & runs with no problems at all.


Mebbe you got that 'Bit Locker' thingy turned off.
I've got all my rigs running on win2k, except the quaddy, 'cuz 2k doesn't support 4 cores.
Vista to me, just from reading the posts in this forum, is a bit of eyewash combined with tremendous resource hogging, combined with hamstringing the owner of the computer from getting it to run in a normal manner (IE..... protecting them from themselves).
Or would that be protecting MS from users going where they don't want them to go, with the excuse that they are protecting YOU from hackers, etc....
In other words, running anything on your computer that hasn't been sanctioned by MS, and been skimmed off the top by MS in the way of liscencing fees.
Rumour has it, and it could be an Urban Legend, that if Gates had his way about this whole thing, we would be forced to buy a subscription to our OS, like cable TV, and if we didn't pay up our computer would cease to function.
The way I see it, if I buy it, I own it, and can from that point on do with it as I please......get you hands off my computer, Mr. Gates.
Before I ever upgrade to Vistosterone, I think I would have to coax my 50yo brain to learn Linux. I hope it doen't come to that. I'm not sure if I'm up to the task, it's been a long while since I've seen a DOS screen. Mebbe Willy shoulda stopped there. Ahhhhh.........life was so simple then.
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Message 588481 - Posted: 18 Jun 2007, 8:39:25 UTC - in response to Message 588474.  


Rumour has it, and it could be an Urban Legend, that if Gates had his way about this whole thing, we would be forced to buy a subscription to our OS, like cable TV, and if we didn't pay up our computer would cease to function.


Oh, its not quite an Urban Legend..

M$ tried it back in 2001...

Microsoft put an exclamation point on the movement Thursday when it announced a software assurance program, a licensing option under which corporate customers agree to purchase a steady stream of upgrades. The Redmond, Wash.-based giant also unveiled a subscription service in which customers rent software on an annual basis but don't get to keep it at the end of the contract.


http://news.com.com/2100-1001-257518.html

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Message 588484 - Posted: 18 Jun 2007, 8:48:55 UTC - in response to Message 588481.  


Rumour has it, and it could be an Urban Legend, that if Gates had his way about this whole thing, we would be forced to buy a subscription to our OS, like cable TV, and if we didn't pay up our computer would cease to function.


Oh, its not quite an Urban Legend..

M$ tried it back in 2001...

Microsoft put an exclamation point on the movement Thursday when it announced a software assurance program, a licensing option under which corporate customers agree to purchase a steady stream of upgrades. The Redmond, Wash.-based giant also unveiled a subscription service in which customers rent software on an annual basis but don't get to keep it at the end of the contract.


http://news.com.com/2100-1001-257518.html




Ahhhhh.....So I am not so full o' bull. Mebbe hang on to those DOS floppies for a while yet. And yes, I still like to use 3.5's.
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Message 588489 - Posted: 18 Jun 2007, 9:11:24 UTC - in response to Message 588474.  

Mebbe you got that 'Bit Locker' thingy turned off.

Haven't got it.
Only available on the Business & Ultimate editions.


Vista to me, just from reading the posts in this forum, is a bit of eyewash combined with tremendous resource hogging, combined with hamstringing the owner of the computer from getting it to run in a normal manner (IE..... protecting them from themselves).

It's more stable than XP & runs with no problems at all. Extremely responsive (mind you i've got 4GB of RAM).
I had all the eye candy on for a while & it had no effect on performance (unlike the XP eye candy) (using a 7600GT) but turned it off- it doesn't do anything for me (same with XP, it was set to the classic view).


The way I see it, if I buy it, I own it, and can from that point on do with it as I please

I suggest you check the EULA on all your commerical software.
I have yet to come across any software that you actually purchase, you only have a license to use it.
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Message 588490 - Posted: 18 Jun 2007, 9:11:55 UTC - in response to Message 588474.  
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...Rumour has it, and it could be an Urban Legend, that if Gates had his way about this whole thing, we would be forced to buy a subscription to our OS, like cable TV, and if we didn't pay up our computer would cease to function.
The way I see it, if I buy it, I own it, and can from that point on do with it as I please......get you hands off my computer, Mr. Gates.

I believe that functionality is already there in the "Windows Activation" and "Windows Genuine Advantage" 'technology' that is already installed. Pay up or you get bombed down to some "minimal functionality" to just let you get far enough to get you to pay up.

I think that the only thing stopping Microsoft from foisting their 'subscription based use' on their customers is limited only by what they think they can get away with...

Note how the Australian backlash against the Windows "WGA" snooping only delayed the introduction elsewhere in the world long enough for the Marketing Machine to soften-up the user base enough to gloss over it all...

Microsoft are still pushing for 'pay-as-you-go' computing:

Microsoft Notebook: Subscription offer poses challenges
Microsoft Unveils Pay-As-You-Go Personal Computing Designed for Emerging Market Consumers
Microsoft's Prepaid and Subscription Computing

And just one example of a "very shrewd" licensing term in one of the subscriptions:

... schools at risk of Microsoft lock-in, says government report

For example, just 24% of secondary schools said the agreements represented value for money, compared to 46% at further education colleges, and 67% at special schools.

One of the issues that led to this opinion was the fact that academic customers have no access to a Microsoft subscription agreement that automatically grants the right to use the software in perpetuity, while another was the fact that school subscription pricing is based on the total number of 'eligible' computers irrespective of whether Microsoft software is installed, required or used on the computers.

According to Becta's report, an eligible PC is defined as any computer with a Pentium II processor or higher, or Apple Inc Macintoshes (G3 or higher), meaning that a school could even find itself paying Microsoft for software that it is unable to run on its Apple Macs.



All just my personal perspective ofcourse.


Happy crunchin',
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Message 588493 - Posted: 18 Jun 2007, 9:23:40 UTC - in response to Message 588490.  

...Rumour has it, and it could be an Urban Legend, that if Gates had his way about this whole thing, we would be forced to buy a subscription to our OS, like cable TV, and if we didn't pay up our computer would cease to function.
The way I see it, if I buy it, I own it, and can from that point on do with it as I please......get you hands off my computer, Mr. Gates.

I believe that functionality is already there in the "Windows Activation" and "Windows Genuine Advantage" 'technology' that is already installed. Pay up or you get bombed down to some "minimal functionality" to just let you get far enough to get you to pay up.

I think that the only thing stopping Microsoft from foisting their 'subscription based use' on their customers is limited only by what they think they can get away with...

Note how the Australian backlash against the Windows "WGA" snooping only delayed the introduction elsewhere in the world long enough for the Marketing Machine to soften-up the user base enough to gloss over it all...

Microsoft are still pushing for 'pay-as-you-go' computing:

Microsoft Notebook: Subscription offer poses challenges
Microsoft Unveils Pay-As-You-Go Personal Computing Designed for Emerging Market Consumers
Microsoft's Prepaid and Subscription Computing

And just one example of a "very shrewd" licensing term in one of the subscriptions:

... schools at risk of Microsoft lock-in, says government report

For example, just 24% of secondary schools said the agreements represented value for money, compared to 46% at further education colleges, and 67% at special schools.

One of the issues that led to this opinion was the fact that academic customers have no access to a Microsoft subscription agreement that automatically grants the right to use the software in perpetuity, while another was the fact that school subscription pricing is based on the total number of 'eligible' computers irrespective of whether Microsoft software is installed, required or used on the computers.

According to Becta's report, an eligible PC is defined as any computer with a Pentium II processor or higher, or Apple Inc Macintoshes (G3 or higher), meaning that a school could even find itself paying Microsoft for software that it is unable to run on its Apple Macs.



All just my personal perspective ofcourse.


Happy crunchin',
Martin


Hey, Marty what would you think if I came along and imposed MY restricitons on your rig?? Darn, I sold you the software, but now i'm gonna tell you how and where you can use it............

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Message 588544 - Posted: 18 Jun 2007, 11:39:01 UTC - in response to Message 588319.  

Has anyone had problems getting a lot of units aborted with client errors. I amd running a Dual core AMD with Vista Ultimate. Ever since I switched from XP I get a lot of client errors. My other computers are on Windows 2003 and Windows XP Pro. They are not having this problem. This is really hurting my performance on the VIsta machine.

Thanks for help,
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I have had a similar problem on both seti@home beta and seti @ home. Both vista and Live one care have auto restart and assume once you have completed an update if you don't cancell the restart it will restart after an hour. I have since inhibited auto updates to see if this solves the problem at least for me. Could be nothing but give it a try. I only say this as I did have open wus (not complete) on restart and complete with errors after.
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Message 588549 - Posted: 18 Jun 2007, 12:26:10 UTC - in response to Message 588489.  

Mebbe you got that 'Bit Locker' thingy turned off.

Haven't got it.
Only available on the Business & Ultimate editions.


I believe the feature causing the problems is User Account Control (UAC). When turned off (as I have it off on all my systems), running BOINC from C:\\Program Files (x86)\\ has resulted in no errors/issues for any of my machines.

The way I see it, if I buy it, I own it, and can from that point on do with it as I please

I suggest you check the EULA on all your commerical software.
I have yet to come across any software that you actually purchase, you only have a license to use it.[/quote]

Good point.
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Message 588551 - Posted: 18 Jun 2007, 12:35:41 UTC - in response to Message 588549.  

Mebbe you got that 'Bit Locker' thingy turned off.

Haven't got it.
Only available on the Business & Ultimate editions.


I believe the feature causing the problems is User Account Control (UAC). When turned off (as I have it off on all my systems), running BOINC from C:\\Program Files (x86)\\ has resulted in no errors/issues for any of my machines.

The way I see it, if I buy it, I own it, and can from that point on do with it as I please

I suggest you check the EULA on all your commerical software.
I have yet to come across any software that you actually purchase, you only have a license to use it.


Good point.[/quote]

I will try your reply thanks for your help. Yes I have ultimate but as a retirement gift rather than the usual watch.
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Message 588563 - Posted: 18 Jun 2007, 12:49:39 UTC - in response to Message 588474.  

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Before I ever upgrade to Vistosterone, I think I would have to coax my 50yo brain to learn Linux. I hope it doen't come to that. I'm not sure if I'm up to the task, it's been a long while since I've seen a DOS screen. Mebbe Willy shoulda stopped there. Ahhhhh.........life was so simple then.[/quote]
MSattler, I run two boxes, one XPPro and the other PCLinuxOS. It took me around half an hour (thats 30 minutes) to format, install the linux distribution, and get boins/seti up and running. And this is a 56 year old brain suffering from CRS (Can't Remember Squat). Download the LiveCd from pclinuxos.com, burn it to a cd, boot from the disk and play around. Won't affect your existing harddrive at all. See if it supports the software on what ever machine you want to try it on. XPPro does what I want but I'll be damned if I'll let my machines be held hostage by microsoft and I wouldn't use Vista if MS gave me a free copy...john
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Before I ever upgrade to Vistosterone, I think I would have to coax my 50yo brain to learn Linux. I hope it doen't come to that. I'm not sure if I'm up to the task, it's been a long while since I've seen a DOS screen. Mebbe Willy shoulda stopped there. Ahhhhh.........life was so simple then.


MSattler, I run two boxes, one XPPro and the other PCLinuxOS. It took me around half an hour (thats 30 minutes) to format, install the linux distribution, and get boins/seti up and running. And this is a 56 year old brain suffering from CRS (Can't Remember Squat). Download the LiveCd from pclinuxos.com, burn it to a cd, boot from the disk and play around. Won't affect your existing harddrive at all. See if it supports the software on what ever machine you want to try it on. XPPro does what I want but I'll be damned if I'll let my machines be held hostage by microsoft and I wouldn't use Vista if MS gave me a free copy...john


PCLinuxOS and Kubunta are both nice. Both will make a Windoze user feel pretty much at home. There are some tasks requiring command line work, but most of these are well documented (thank dog for the internet). I have 4 machines running Linux just because I refuse to give Bill and Micro$oft cash to run Boinc, and can't bring myself to run bootlegs.

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Message 588679 - Posted: 18 Jun 2007, 17:29:02 UTC

Hi Everyone. I am a returning user. I used to have the original SETI@Home up until 2001, but family tragedies that year...

I have Win XP Pro on an amd 64 3700 with 2gig DDR. I have completed 5 units sine my return, but 3 have been returned as client errors. Any help would be much appreciated.
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Message 588715 - Posted: 18 Jun 2007, 18:09:58 UTC - in response to Message 588549.  

Mebbe you got that 'Bit Locker' thingy turned off.

Haven't got it.
Only available on the Business & Ultimate editions.


I believe the feature causing the problems is User Account Control (UAC). When turned off (as I have it off on all my systems), running BOINC from C:\\Program Files (x86)\\ has resulted in no errors/issues for any of my machines.

I've still got UAC on.
It meant an un-believable amount of clicking when installing & configuring the OS & software, but now it's all configured i never see it (unless i start playing with things again).
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Message 588720 - Posted: 18 Jun 2007, 18:15:05 UTC - in response to Message 588319.  

Has anyone had problems getting a lot of units aborted with client errors. I amd running a Dual core AMD with Vista Ultimate. Ever since I switched from XP I get a lot of client errors. My other computers are on Windows 2003 and Windows XP Pro. They are not having this problem. This is really hurting my performance on the VIsta machine.

Thanks for help,
DR


I have Ultimate and haven't had any issues until recently, now I've 'lost' a lot of cobblestones :(

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=553701793

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=553701683

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=543106107



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