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Demiurg Send message Joined: 2 Jul 02 Posts: 883 Credit: 28,286 RAC: 0 |
If I can't baffle you anymore young Luke than my deed is truly done. *strangled metalic breathing* Interesting. You've just agreed with all of the points I have raised except for an understanding of 'words hurt people' type objections. It is SEXY to DONATE! Skype = demiurg2 |
KB7RZF Send message Joined: 15 Aug 99 Posts: 9549 Credit: 3,308,926 RAC: 2 |
Good think I'm on in "that team". J/K of course. I fail to see the relation, but oh well, maybe I'm just blind. Or, maybe I just don't care. :-) |
Demiurg Send message Joined: 2 Jul 02 Posts: 883 Credit: 28,286 RAC: 0 |
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Demiurg Send message Joined: 2 Jul 02 Posts: 883 Credit: 28,286 RAC: 0 |
I just took a closer look at your team cRunchy. It actually almost made me tempted to join a team. One big heap of bearded crazy men and beautiful women who are all totaly insane. That is the closest I've been to seeing heaven so far! *Switching to Jamaican* Cool Man! It is SEXY to DONATE! Skype = demiurg2 |
cRunchy Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 3555 Credit: 1,920,030 RAC: 3 |
Sorry, I guess that my jokes are also baaaaad. Yes :) but we like it. It's sleep time for me... Wondered what happened to the thread 'scallops, monkeys and hugh ones'.. Another day... |
Demiurg Send message Joined: 2 Jul 02 Posts: 883 Credit: 28,286 RAC: 0 |
Sorry, I guess that my jokes are also baaaaad. Sleep time in England??? Well I guess it is one mint-sauce to many... Bad jokes is making life worth living. See you around! It is SEXY to DONATE! Skype = demiurg2 |
cRunchy Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 3555 Credit: 1,920,030 RAC: 3 |
I just took a closer look at your team cRunchy. It actually almost made me tempted to join a team. Ohhhh... Ohh....... I just had to come back for this one.. I even stopped putting my slippers on... Bearded men and beautiful women??? I am sure you meant to say beautiful men (like me in a manly but not man to man way of course) and our rather voluptuos bearded women (like our women in a non beard to beard sort of way of course)... I never promote flamboyant team choosing or switching... but you have been around so you can choose what madness you could get into yourself.. (erm get yourself into...) Sleep time in England??? I never mentioned GMT.. I like to Siesta and it's a public bonk holiday.. eyelids are heav..y. |
Demiurg Send message Joined: 2 Jul 02 Posts: 883 Credit: 28,286 RAC: 0 |
I should have known it was due to the bonking holiday that you were sleepy. Yepp, I stand corrected, I meant the beautiful men and the shaggy ladies. I just said it was close to heaven, but I am not sure I fit into heaven. I am a bit snaky you know:-) I just took a closer look at your team cRunchy. It actually almost made me tempted to join a team. It is SEXY to DONATE! Skype = demiurg2 |
cRunchy Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 3555 Credit: 1,920,030 RAC: 3 |
.... I just said it was close to heaven, but I am not sure I fit into heaven..... With a quote like that even the saints would love you.... If I don't go to sleep soon I might start typing some sense.. Nacht.... |
Demiurg Send message Joined: 2 Jul 02 Posts: 883 Credit: 28,286 RAC: 0 |
.... I just said it was close to heaven, but I am not sure I fit into heaven..... And may the sleepy puffs be with you! It is SEXY to DONATE! Skype = demiurg2 |
Jeffrey Send message Joined: 21 Nov 03 Posts: 4793 Credit: 26,029 RAC: 0 |
they are to christian right-wing [snip]. That is why they think you are trying to euthanase people. For them god created them to obey his will and have money in the wallett and babes in the bank while they are naked around hemp-growers. By their standards, the Apostle Paul sure did get a shady deal... No money, no babes, no nothing... ;) I Timothy 6:6-8 There is great gain in godliness with contentment; for we brought nothing into the world, and we cannot take anything out of the world; but if we have food and clothing, with these we shall be content. It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . . |
thorin belvrog Send message Joined: 29 Sep 06 Posts: 6418 Credit: 8,893 RAC: 0 |
He wasn't speaking about genetic predispositions to prostate or breast cancer. Let's speak honestly. He said what he meant to say. He meant somehow moral causes of diseases and ailments. Reminds me of the christian flaggelant movements. Interesting what people can read in my posts ... Robert I did not mean that diseases have moral causes. Some are triggered by poisons coming into our bodies, that's true. But it does NOT mean that there is ANY moral cause for ANY disease! Remember, I stated somewhere (wasn't it even in this thread?) that twenty years ago my own younger brother died painfully on cancer, 15 of age! Was this his own fault? Never! He just had the bad luck to get that piece of genetic heritage from his great-grandfather who also died on a similar cancer. Please do not even assume I would mean such a fate had moral causes! I know that psychic problems can make you physically sick, too, or make healing slower. But also these conditions have nothing to do with moral. (Except handling moral makes you sick - attempted joke)
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thorin belvrog Send message Joined: 29 Sep 06 Posts: 6418 Credit: 8,893 RAC: 0 |
You cannot have it both ways. You just said that all libertarians want to stop both corporate and other wellfare. You have to decide on one of them. That's why I said that this philosophy is egocentric. Rather you watch humans starve than let the gov't give them enough to eat, and a possibility later to earn their meal. Rather watch homeless people die in winter than let the community give them a warm place to sleep if not an entire home. No-one chooses to starve. Almost no-one chooses to be poor, to be homeless, to be unemployed. The system made the very most of them become this. So the system is guilty to have caused their situation, the system has to - at least - easen their burden. It's as simple as that. Welfare is just humanity. Account frozen... |
Red Atomic Send message Joined: 22 Jun 99 Posts: 2624 Credit: 840,335 RAC: 0 |
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Rush Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 3131 Credit: 302,569 RAC: 0 |
That's why I said that this philosophy is egocentric. Rather you watch humans starve than let the gov't give them enough to eat, and a possibility later to earn their meal. This is exactly what you do, as we speak. Right this very minute, you are watching humans starve and the gov't is not giving them enough to eat. But be that as it may, you still avoid the central principle: where does the gov't get the resources to give them food or shelter? Rather watch homeless people die in winter than let the community give them a warm place to sleep if not an entire home. The community can do as it wishes, just as you can. Nothing is stopping you. But, like I said, you, and those that think like you, won't put enough time, effort, and money into it to accomplish your goals on your own. Since you can't be bothered, you need to force me to do help you out, because I won't adhere to your program voluntarily. Ever. Never have, never will. No-one chooses to starve. Almost no-one chooses to be poor, to be homeless, to be unemployed. The system made the very most of them become this. The "system" does this? That's just silly. Why didn't the system do it to you? Or me? Or Barbra Streisand? Why didn't it do that to Oprah or Michael Moore? Why does the system refuse to destroy the overwhelming majority of people? So the system is guilty to have caused their situation, the system has to - at least - easen their burden. It's as simple as that. Welfare is just humanity. Well then, nuclear weapons are just humanity. The WHISC is just humanity. The system provides that as well. Because just as you want to provide welfare, others want to provide War in Iraq. Cordially, Rush elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com Remove the obvious... |
thorin belvrog Send message Joined: 29 Sep 06 Posts: 6418 Credit: 8,893 RAC: 0 |
Killing humans is not humanity. War is not humanity. Fascism, torture, racism, terror, invasions are not humanity. Humanity is caused by love. Love to each other human being. And a person I love I do care. A government per se has to take care, to serve and to protect the people of it's country. So is it a service to people to let them remain homeless? To let them live an awful life in poverty? Without giving them a real chance to get out of their situation? Is it a protected life to be forced to sleep on park-benches or on the pavement instead of in a normal home? Is it taking care of people to allow that they sure get their wounds bandaged, but are sent home if they are real sick only because they are poor? Is it really a good thing of a gov't to watch inactively that people have to work on two, three, even four jobs, 60 to 80 hours a week just to be able to afford their basic needs? What is a gov't for when it doesn't serve it's people? For representation? It's marvellous that there are people and organizations helping such people. But I think it is the duty of the government to help them, instead of financing fascist institutions like the SOA, or to help erect inhuman gov'ts in other countries. Account frozen... |
Rush Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 3131 Credit: 302,569 RAC: 0 |
Killing humans is not humanity. War is not humanity. Fascism, torture, racism, terror, invasions are not humanity. No, they are not. But just as you beg the gov't to provide education or homes, other people beg the gov't to build weapons and the WHISC. Humanity is caused by love. Love to each other human being. And a person I love I do care. A government per se has to take care, to serve and to protect the people of it's country. So is it a service to people to let them remain homeless? To let them live an awful life in poverty? Without giving them a real chance to get out of their situation? Is it a protected life to be forced to sleep on park-benches or on the pavement instead of in a normal home? Is it taking care of people to allow that they sure get their wounds bandaged, but are sent home if they are real sick only because they are poor? Is it really a good thing of a gov't to watch inactively that people have to work on two, three, even four jobs, 60 to 80 hours a week just to be able to afford their basic needs? What is a gov't for when it doesn't serve it's people? For representation? So I'll ask you a third time: where does the gov't get the resources to give these people food or shelter? The gov't certainly doesn't create it. It's marvellous that there are people and organizations helping such people. But I think it is the duty of the government to help them, instead of financing fascist institutions like the SOA, or to help erect inhuman gov'ts in other countries. That nice. Other people think it is the duty of the gov't not to help them, instead financing institutions like the WHISC and building the USS Ronald Reagan. Since the principle is the same (forcing others to pay for things they would not freely choose), sometimes you get some education, sometimes you get War in Iraq. Cordially, Rush elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com Remove the obvious... |
Jeffrey Send message Joined: 21 Nov 03 Posts: 4793 Credit: 26,029 RAC: 0 |
What is a gov't for when it doesn't serve it's people? Government does serve its people well... They just forget about the rest of us... I really don't know why you bother with these guys... From a capitalists point of view they are right, from a moral point of view they are dead wrong... They will never see anything past the glowing dollar signs in their eyes... It's a good vs evil thing... ;) It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . . |
Rush Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 3131 Credit: 302,569 RAC: 0 |
From a capitalists point of view they are right, from a moral point of view they are dead wrong... Actually, both points of view are the same. It is morally wrong to initiate force against others to make them pay for your pet projects. Why? Because if that's OK for you to do, then it is OK for them to do. If simple force is the standard of right and wrong--whoever has the most force gets what they want--then morality is lost. They will never see anything past the glowing dollar signs in their eyes... I don't have dollar signs in my eyes. I simply won't play along with what you would use force to decide for me. Cordially, Rush elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com Remove the obvious... |
Jeffrey Send message Joined: 21 Nov 03 Posts: 4793 Credit: 26,029 RAC: 0 |
If simple force is the standard of right and wrong--whoever has the most force gets what they want--then morality is lost. Maybe you haven't noticed... Morality has already been lost, the bullies have won by force... Congrats on your victory... In the end, there will be hell to pay... ;) It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . . |
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