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enzed Send message Joined: 27 Mar 05 Posts: 347 Credit: 1,681,694 RAC: 0 |
-from whence does your electricity flow ?- All electric is ok.... but have you looked at the cost of battery replacement after 3 years. We need serious battery development work to create long life devices that are not ruined after 3 years or so of work. One comment heard here was, sell the vehicle after 2.75 years and let someone else have the problem, - this seems to say it all really - their problem is some of us know it and wont put up with this sort of commercial fleecing. Auto manufacturers have looked at fuel-cell technology, but havent yet "realized" their profits. After looking into their mechanics they make the vehicle as complicated as possible and as "un-fixable" as possible (for the average joe). Have been fiddling with the units and find as expected that higher temperature of the water makes a difference to the amount of O and H given off, the redesigned units will be high pressure, high temperature, high frequency. Exhaust gas temp will be recycled to aid testing. We will be testing "steam" next month, and using rf input to cells to enhance generation. Current thinking is also looking at testing the "smooth turbine", basically just a re-examination of the tesla/et-all device which claimed around 60% fuel efficiency. This will be interesting to see in comparison to internal combustion. |
John McLeod VII Send message Joined: 15 Jul 99 Posts: 24806 Credit: 790,712 RAC: 0 |
Make certain that you include the energy cost of heating (or boiling) the water into account when you calculate efficiency. I have the feeling that this is what happened to the person that came up with the "super efficient" technique for turning water into hydrogen and oxygen... BOINC WIKI |
MrGray Send message Joined: 17 Aug 05 Posts: 3170 Credit: 60,411 RAC: 0 |
Salt Water Fuel From Radio Waves http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQMXzpTaIh4 3 mins Cancer killing device ignites salt water. "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss |
Al Send message Joined: 4 Oct 99 Posts: 5832 Credit: 401,935 RAC: 0 |
cool,can use it to make a healthy BBQ. Scorpions - Wind Of Change |
Allie in Vancouver Send message Joined: 16 Mar 07 Posts: 3949 Credit: 1,604,668 RAC: 0 |
Hmmm. I'd love to see the figures on how much energy is pumped into the rf generator/transmitters vs how much you get from the pretty little flame. :) Pure mathematics is, in its way, the poetry of logical ideas. Albert Einstein |
Mikael Olofsson Send message Joined: 8 Jul 99 Posts: 58 Credit: 190,773 RAC: 0 |
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Water_Fuel_Cell http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/ http://www.oupower.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=1 http://www.panaceauniversity.org/ "The limits of the possible can only be defined by going beyond them into the impossible" Arthur C. Clarke "Science may set limits to knowledge, but should not set limits to imagination." Bertrand Russel |
MrGray Send message Joined: 17 Aug 05 Posts: 3170 Credit: 60,411 RAC: 0 |
Thank you, Mikael Olofsson! . "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss |
MrGray Send message Joined: 17 Aug 05 Posts: 3170 Credit: 60,411 RAC: 0 |
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4438732545348204352 cbc 5 min 54 sec - Jan 10, 2007 www.cbc.ca The hydrogen car is finding its place on California's highways. "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss |
John McLeod VII Send message Joined: 15 Jul 99 Posts: 24806 Credit: 790,712 RAC: 0 |
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4438732545348204352 I would like to note that the vehicles planned are not running on water in the fuel tank but hydrogen, and the first one planned is in about two years. BOINC WIKI |
MrGray Send message Joined: 17 Aug 05 Posts: 3170 Credit: 60,411 RAC: 0 |
Unfortunate isn't it. "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss |
John McLeod VII Send message Joined: 15 Jul 99 Posts: 24806 Credit: 790,712 RAC: 0 |
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MrGray Send message Joined: 17 Aug 05 Posts: 3170 Credit: 60,411 RAC: 0 |
No. That the use of water directly into you cars using internal hydrogen extractor cells hasn't been implemented. Yes. "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss |
John McLeod VII Send message Joined: 15 Jul 99 Posts: 24806 Credit: 790,712 RAC: 0 |
No. That the use of water directly into you cars using internal hydrogen extractor cells hasn't been implemented. Yes. The use of water directly will never work because of the first and second rules of thermodynamics. It will always be an energy loss to convert to hydrogen and back to electricity. It cannot work as described. Hydrogen fuel cells have their problems (technical and cost) but may be workable, but the hydrogen is going to come from a dispenser of some sort (fuel station of use of power grid at home to convert water to hydrogen). BOINC WIKI |
thorin belvrog Send message Joined: 29 Sep 06 Posts: 6418 Credit: 8,893 RAC: 0 |
Eeek! DHMO as fuel! How dangerous! What are some of the dangers associated with DHMO? :D Account frozen... |
MrGray Send message Joined: 17 Aug 05 Posts: 3170 Credit: 60,411 RAC: 0 |
Gadgets That Run on Body Heat: http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/raskin/13789 "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20456 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
I can remember back in the 1960's people working on some sort of water spray injection system for car engines. They were trying to re-create the phenomenon of a car engine performing more smoothly and powerfully on a damp evening because of the water vapour. Never heard any more about it. Oil is too cheap for that to be useful. However, that trick is used on aircraft jet engines to (temporarily) increase thrust. The most notable use is on Harrier jump jets for when they go into hover just before a vertical landing. Any 'enthusiasts' kits for cars? Or would the engine management control be mucked up? Regards, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Mikael Olofsson Send message Joined: 8 Jul 99 Posts: 58 Credit: 190,773 RAC: 0 |
Motocycle running on water One more link on water powered car "The limits of the possible can only be defined by going beyond them into the impossible" Arthur C. Clarke "Science may set limits to knowledge, but should not set limits to imagination." Bertrand Russel |
Stealth Eagle* Send message Joined: 7 Sep 00 Posts: 5971 Credit: 367,640 RAC: 0 |
One of the ideas for alternative fuel was to fill your tank with water then using electrolysis separate the hydrogen and burn that with the exhaust being O2. What you do today you will have to live with tonight |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20456 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
One of the ideas for alternative fuel was to fill your tank with water then using electrolysis separate the hydrogen and burn that with the exhaust being O2. ... And how do you fuel that electroysis?... A "Hydrogen economy" is badly flawed in that hydrogen offers a very low chemical energy density compared to currently easily (cheaply) available (fossil) fuels. Unless that is, we contrive 'desktop' nuclear fusion sometime very soon! Regards, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Stealth Eagle* Send message Joined: 7 Sep 00 Posts: 5971 Credit: 367,640 RAC: 0 |
One of the ideas for alternative fuel was to fill your tank with water then using electrolysis separate the hydrogen and burn that with the exhaust being O2. First by energy stored in a battery and after the vehicle is running the motor will provide the energy for the electrolysis and recharge the battery. What you do today you will have to live with tonight |
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