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Message 539183 - Posted: 31 Mar 2007, 18:22:31 UTC
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Well its me again (sigh). I tried your advise of connect to x of 0.1day and still the same. A small section of log.....

31/03/2007 18:50:40|SETI@home|Sending scheduler request: Requested by user
31/03/2007 18:50:40|SETI@home|(not requesting new work or reporting completed tasks)
31/03/2007 18:50:45|SETI@home|Scheduler RPC succeeded [server version 509]
31/03/2007 18:50:45||General prefs: from SETI@home (last modified 2007-03-31 18:50:29)
31/03/2007 18:50:45||Host location: home
31/03/2007 18:50:45||General prefs: no separate prefs for home; using your defaults
31/03/2007 18:50:45|SETI@home|Deferring communication for 11 sec
31/03/2007 18:50:45|SETI@home|Reason: requested by project
31/03/2007 18:51:05|SETI@home|Sending scheduler request: Requested by user
31/03/2007 18:51:05|SETI@home|(not requesting new work or reporting completed tasks)
31/03/2007 18:51:10|SETI@home|Scheduler RPC succeeded [server version 509]
31/03/2007 18:51:10|SETI@home|Deferring communication for 11 sec
31/03/2007 18:51:10|SETI@home|Reason: requested by project
31/03/2007 18:52:20|SETI@home|Sending scheduler request: Requested by user
31/03/2007 18:52:20|SETI@home|(not requesting new work or reporting completed tasks)
31/03/2007 18:52:25|SETI@home|Scheduler RPC succeeded [server version 509]
31/03/2007 18:52:25|SETI@home|Deferring communication for 11 sec
31/03/2007 18:52:25|SETI@home|Reason: requested by project
31/03/2007 18:52:27|SETI@home|Resetting project
31/03/2007 18:52:43|SETI@home|Resetting project
31/03/2007 18:52:43|SETI@home|Detaching from project
31/03/2007 18:52:43||Resuming computation
31/03/2007 18:53:42||Fetching configuration file from http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/get_project_config.php
31/03/2007 18:54:21|SETI@home|Master file download succeeded
31/03/2007 18:54:22|SETI@home|Sending scheduler request: Project initialization
31/03/2007 18:54:22|SETI@home|Requesting 1 seconds of new work
31/03/2007 18:54:29|SETI@home|Scheduler RPC succeeded [server version 509]
31/03/2007 18:54:29|SETI@home|New host venue: home
31/03/2007 18:54:29||General prefs: from SETI@home (last modified 2007-03-31 18:50:29)
31/03/2007 18:54:29||Host location: home
31/03/2007 18:54:29||General prefs: no separate prefs for home; using your defaults
31/03/2007 18:54:29|SETI@home|Deferring communication for 11 sec
31/03/2007 18:54:29|SETI@home|Reason: requested by project
31/03/2007 18:54:29|SETI@home|Successfully attached to SETI@home
31/03/2007 18:54:29||Suspending computation - user is active
31/03/2007 18:54:31|SETI@home|[file_xfer] Started download of file setiathome_5.15_windows_intelx86.exe
31/03/2007 18:54:31|SETI@home|[file_xfer] Started download of file libfftw3f-3-1-1a.dll
31/03/2007 18:54:44|SETI@home|Sending scheduler request: To fetch work
As you can see I eventually had to detach from the project again and then re-attach to get work.Any idea's?
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Message 539187 - Posted: 31 Mar 2007, 18:39:30 UTC - in response to Message 539183.  

Well its me again (sigh). I tried your advise of connect to x of 0.1day and still the same. A small section of log.....

31/03/2007 18:50:40|SETI@home|Sending scheduler request: Requested by user
31/03/2007 18:50:40|SETI@home|(not requesting new work or reporting completed tasks)
31/03/2007 18:50:45|SETI@home|Scheduler RPC succeeded [server version 509]
31/03/2007 18:50:45||General prefs: from SETI@home (last modified 2007-03-31 18:50:29)
31/03/2007 18:50:45||Host location: home
31/03/2007 18:50:45||General prefs: no separate prefs for home; using your defaults
31/03/2007 18:50:45|SETI@home|Deferring communication for 11 sec
31/03/2007 18:50:45|SETI@home|Reason: requested by project
31/03/2007 18:51:05|SETI@home|Sending scheduler request: Requested by user
31/03/2007 18:51:05|SETI@home|(not requesting new work or reporting completed tasks)
31/03/2007 18:51:10|SETI@home|Scheduler RPC succeeded [server version 509]
31/03/2007 18:51:10|SETI@home|Deferring communication for 11 sec
31/03/2007 18:51:10|SETI@home|Reason: requested by project
31/03/2007 18:52:20|SETI@home|Sending scheduler request: Requested by user
31/03/2007 18:52:20|SETI@home|(not requesting new work or reporting completed tasks)
31/03/2007 18:52:25|SETI@home|Scheduler RPC succeeded [server version 509]
31/03/2007 18:52:25|SETI@home|Deferring communication for 11 sec
31/03/2007 18:52:25|SETI@home|Reason: requested by project
31/03/2007 18:52:27|SETI@home|Resetting project
31/03/2007 18:52:43|SETI@home|Resetting project
31/03/2007 18:52:43|SETI@home|Detaching from project
31/03/2007 18:52:43||Resuming computation
31/03/2007 18:53:42||Fetching configuration file from http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/get_project_config.php
31/03/2007 18:54:21|SETI@home|Master file download succeeded
31/03/2007 18:54:22|SETI@home|Sending scheduler request: Project initialization
31/03/2007 18:54:22|SETI@home|Requesting 1 seconds of new work
31/03/2007 18:54:29|SETI@home|Scheduler RPC succeeded [server version 509]
31/03/2007 18:54:29|SETI@home|New host venue: home
31/03/2007 18:54:29||General prefs: from SETI@home (last modified 2007-03-31 18:50:29)
31/03/2007 18:54:29||Host location: home
31/03/2007 18:54:29||General prefs: no separate prefs for home; using your defaults
31/03/2007 18:54:29|SETI@home|Deferring communication for 11 sec
31/03/2007 18:54:29|SETI@home|Reason: requested by project
31/03/2007 18:54:29|SETI@home|Successfully attached to SETI@home
31/03/2007 18:54:29||Suspending computation - user is active
31/03/2007 18:54:31|SETI@home|[file_xfer] Started download of file setiathome_5.15_windows_intelx86.exe
31/03/2007 18:54:31|SETI@home|[file_xfer] Started download of file libfftw3f-3-1-1a.dll
31/03/2007 18:54:44|SETI@home|Sending scheduler request: To fetch work
As you can see I eventually had to detach from the project again and then re-attach to get work.Any idea's?

Um, that was supposed to be 1.0.


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Message 539189 - Posted: 31 Mar 2007, 18:48:33 UTC
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Um I've already tried it at 1 and at 2,0.1,0.2, and all sorts of combinations. If I have to detach from seti everytime I want new work, I suppose, its no biggie. I still get back the credit ect...Just seems weird.
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Message 539208 - Posted: 31 Mar 2007, 20:36:29 UTC - in response to Message 539189.  

Um I've already tried it at 1 and at 2,0.1,0.2, and all sorts of combinations. If I have to detach from seti everytime I want new work, I suppose, its no biggie. I still get back the credit ect...Just seems weird.


I see you keep manually trying to force it to fetch work. What happens if you leave BOINC run and fetch work on it's own when it calculates that it needs to? Do you truly run out of work with nothing to process?
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Message 539257 - Posted: 31 Mar 2007, 23:23:20 UTC

Perhaps I'm using Boinc incorrectly? I'll explain.. Because I find it easier (I'm on a dial-up connection), I'm trying to use Boinc in same way the old Seti used to run. Namely, I suspend network activity and wait until all WU have been completed. Once I see that Boinc has finished all WU I then connect and upload the work. I'm under the illusion that I will also recieve my next batch of WU and as you can see this is proving difficult. If I had lots of cash I would just tick the boxes to allow Boinc to connect whenever it needed to... But I'm afraid that after using PC's for many years I also know they are liable to error and I cannot afford a huge connection bill if it fails to disconnect.
Although after I downloaded the last lot of work (which you saw I recieved only after detaching). I left Seti to run but forgot to set my network activity to suspend. I'd left the setting on 'connect based on preference's'. When I came back to work on the PC, Boinc told me it had been trying to connect and fetch more work (which it couldn't because of the settings I'd ticked..). Do settings in preference's take time to filter through? Thanks for your help :)
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Message 539300 - Posted: 1 Apr 2007, 1:41:44 UTC - in response to Message 539257.  

Perhaps I'm using Boinc incorrectly? I'll explain.. Because I find it easier (I'm on a dial-up connection), I'm trying to use Boinc in same way the old Seti used to run. Namely, I suspend network activity and wait until all WU have been completed. Once I see that Boinc has finished all WU I then connect and upload the work. I'm under the illusion that I will also recieve my next batch of WU and as you can see this is proving difficult. If I had lots of cash I would just tick the boxes to allow Boinc to connect whenever it needed to... But I'm afraid that after using PC's for many years I also know they are liable to error and I cannot afford a huge connection bill if it fails to disconnect.
Although after I downloaded the last lot of work (which you saw I recieved only after detaching). I left Seti to run but forgot to set my network activity to suspend. I'd left the setting on 'connect based on preference's'. When I came back to work on the PC, Boinc told me it had been trying to connect and fetch more work (which it couldn't because of the settings I'd ticked..). Do settings in preference's take time to filter through? Thanks for your help :)

Yes, settings in preference can take time to filter through.

What projects are you running? Just S@H, or something else as well?

Remind me, how much of the time does your computer spend on?


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Message 539301 - Posted: 1 Apr 2007, 1:41:45 UTC - in response to Message 539257.  

Perhaps I'm using Boinc incorrectly? I'll explain.. Because I find it easier (I'm on a dial-up connection), I'm trying to use Boinc in same way the old Seti used to run. Namely, I suspend network activity and wait until all WU have been completed. Once I see that Boinc has finished all WU I then connect and upload the work. I'm under the illusion that I will also recieve my next batch of WU and as you can see this is proving difficult. If I had lots of cash I would just tick the boxes to allow Boinc to connect whenever it needed to... But I'm afraid that after using PC's for many years I also know they are liable to error and I cannot afford a huge connection bill if it fails to disconnect.
Although after I downloaded the last lot of work (which you saw I recieved only after detaching). I left Seti to run but forgot to set my network activity to suspend. I'd left the setting on 'connect based on preference's'. When I came back to work on the PC, Boinc told me it had been trying to connect and fetch more work (which it couldn't because of the settings I'd ticked..). Do settings in preference's take time to filter through? Thanks for your help :)

Yes, settings in preference can take time to filter through.

What projects are you running? Just S@H, or something else as well?

Remind me, how much of the time does your computer spend on?


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Message 539335 - Posted: 1 Apr 2007, 3:09:05 UTC - in response to Message 539257.  

Perhaps I'm using Boinc incorrectly? I'll explain..


Well, see the thing is... BOINC usually has an exceptional work scheduler and fetch routine that works well the majority of the time.

These lines in your messages:

31/03/2007 18:50:45|SETI@home|Reason: requested by project
31/03/2007 18:51:05|SETI@home|Sending scheduler request: Requested by user
31/03/2007 18:51:05|SETI@home|(not requesting new work or reporting completed tasks)


Tell us that BOINC doesn't need more work (and for some reason doesn't feel like it needs to report completed work). BOINC may erroneously think this due to a few different factors. Answering John McLeod VII's questions will help determine if there are factors contributing to this problem.

Maybe next time you go online to report work, if you have a few minutes, instead of manually forcing an update, try waiting to see if BOINC will automatically do it on it's own.

Though, remember that if BOINC thinks it has enough work in the cache (even if it's completed a workunit or two), it may not want to report the work until it feels it needs more. You may also want to wait until your computer finishes a few more workunits (or even wait for BOINC to complain that it needs to connect) before trying to report/download more.
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Message 539399 - Posted: 1 Apr 2007, 8:35:59 UTC
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Thanks for the advise, will do as suggested. In answer to John McLeod VII's questions... S@H is the only project I'm running and it gets to run maybe 2-3hrs a day at least. I should mention thats not every day, so I guess the weekly average is around 10-30hrs. Hope this helps. Oh BTW I've left my 'connect to x' at 1.0.
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Message 539690 - Posted: 1 Apr 2007, 18:57:52 UTC - in response to Message 539399.  

Thanks for the advise, will do as suggested. In answer to John McLeod VII's questions... S@H is the only project I'm running and it gets to run maybe 2-3hrs a day at least. I should mention thats not every day, so I guess the weekly average is around 10-30hrs. Hope this helps. Oh BTW I've left my 'connect to x' at 1.0.

OK, given that, what is your setting for "do work while computer is in use?" If it is no, then this could be a problem as BOINC would get almost no time at all.

10 hours a week should be enough time to get things done before deadline if yu have a decent machine, but, it is going to spend a large amount of time in Earliest Deadline First as it is not getting very much time.


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Message 539734 - Posted: 1 Apr 2007, 20:09:39 UTC

I do have the setting 'run while computer is in use' ticked as 'no'. My earlier post regarding times is actually when S@H gets to run. When I'm not running S@H I would normally turn the PC off after finishing work, gaming ect. Now I've got S@H back, I leave it on that little longer for seti to do its thing. So I make sure that it does get to run at the above times.. Sorry this is getting convoluted!I'm running an AMD X2 3800+ with DDR2 800MHz 2x512 RAM and slightly overclocked. Might I make a suggestion? I do have 3 WU to complete (well 2 actually, one is already finished), I'll finish the remaining work and see how I get on with the upload ect. If I get the same probs I'll contact you again?
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Message 539829 - Posted: 1 Apr 2007, 23:11:44 UTC - in response to Message 539734.  

I do have the setting 'run while computer is in use' ticked as 'no'. My earlier post regarding times is actually when S@H gets to run. When I'm not running S@H I would normally turn the PC off after finishing work, gaming ect. Now I've got S@H back, I leave it on that little longer for seti to do its thing. So I make sure that it does get to run at the above times.. Sorry this is getting convoluted!I'm running an AMD X2 3800+ with DDR2 800MHz 2x512 RAM and slightly overclocked. Might I make a suggestion? I do have 3 WU to complete (well 2 actually, one is already finished), I'll finish the remaining work and see how I get on with the upload ect. If I get the same probs I'll contact you again?

If you touch the mouse or keyboard, it counts as activity, and BOINC shuts down for a few minutes.


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Message 541294 - Posted: 5 Apr 2007, 8:40:36 UTC - in response to Message 539183.  

31/03/2007 18:54:29||Suspending computation - user is active

This is a result of the ‘Work while active? No’ setting. I suggest that when you’re making a connection, you set the Activity menu to “Run always”. That way you can switch between panes in BOINC Manager to monitor what it’s doing, without bringing everything to a halt whenever you move the mouse. Once the transactions are complete and your management session is over, you can set the menu back to “Run based on preferences” for background crunching.

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