Ripped out of the context the answer is: YES
But put in the context the answer is: NO

We better put all availiable ressources into researching what's going on and why and trying to stop or at least slow down it's effect.

Except that BOINC isn’t dedicated to climate change. It’s dedicated to the hunt for aliens, or protein folding, or gravitational waves. The individuals that crunch with BOINC overwhelmingly choose other projects—in other words, “we” don’t put all available resources into researching what’s going on and why. “We,” as free thinking individuals, choose to use resources to do lots of other things besides research climate change.

Sorry, Rush - but this is no game about who "wins" a discussion, but we are aleady in deep trouble. You remind me of someone who would make a joke about increased storms due to global warming right when a tree is about to fall on him.

This isn’t about who wins, it’s about doing absolutely nothing and then feeling better about yourself as if you’ve done something. It’s about using effective, economic solutions that actually cut emissions instead of signing failed treaties that do not. Say for example the U.S. had signed Kyoto. Lots o’ people would have felt really good about it. Yay, for them. But emissions would not have dropped one iota. Net gain? A loss.

If “we” are already in deep trouble, then you had better get going and create actual concrete cuts in emissions. Whinging about how the U.S. won’t bankroll your plan won’t cut emissions. Neither will exempting emitters 2, 3, 4 and 11, especially when 2 is poised to dwarf number 1.

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Remove the obvious...

36 ways to cut your carbon footprint - The Low-Carbon Diet (or how to lose half a tonne in just one month)

Another one: Six steps to a smaller carbon footprint

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Hope some kind person who records this TV documentation will release it at eDonkey network so that the volunteers from outside of UK can watch it too ;-) David Attenborough's documentations and a lot more of this stuff from BBC are normally excellent

Here you go Elektra (YouTube);

climateprediction.net - Results Programme Documentary

Also a BBC news feature on the results

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London 'to lead climate research'

"London mayor Ken Livingstone says he aims to make London the world's leading centre for climate change research within the next five years."

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Hope some kind person who records this TV documentation will release it at eDonkey network so that the volunteers from outside of UK can watch it too ;-) David Attenborough's documentations and a lot more of this stuff from BBC are normally excellent

Here you go Elektra (YouTube);

climateprediction.net - Results Programme Documentary

Also a BBC news feature on the results

Thanks for the good links.

A brief look around on YouTube around there also gives:

Sir David Attenborough: The Truth About Climate Change Good brief summary showing "Is it us Human's doing it?"

ABC 20/20 Special: Global Climate Change (Part 1) (Professor Bill McGuire throws some good punches at whatever remaining 'skeptics'!)
ABC 20/20 Special: Global Climate Change (Part 2)


And less scientifically "heavy":

Two minute film about climate change Good visualisation of how we are changing the CO2 levels

A Global Warning

Global Warming: Point of No Return? Professor Lovelock comments. Good one-liners for the skeptics!


And one for Rush & BillHyland over on a parallel Global Warming thread:
Mr Smith: The Real Inconvenient Truth as truly spoken by Mr Steven Talcott Smith, web programmer and 'expert'.


For an American view on some of what is happening:

"Health Politics": Global Warming from 'IF' to 'WHEN'

The Bush Administration's approach to Global Warming


And on a more positive example:

Oh My Newsnight: A Convenient Truth, about climate change... Is Sweden leading the way?


Things are moving, but how quickly in the right direction?

Regards,
Martin

Note: Please keep this thread for video/news links. We've already got a lively discussion over on "Fun With Global Warming!"

[edit] Thread links added [/edit]

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[Note: Please keep this thread for video/news links. We've already got a lively discussion over on "Fun With Global Warming!"

Good idea!

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Energy roadmap backs renewables

"Half of the world's energy needs in 2050 could be met by renewables and improved efficiency, a study has said."

"...the strategy outlined in the report showed that it was economically feasible to cut global carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions by almost 50% over the next 43 years."

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Just a reminder for how very shallow a 'skin' we have for our atmosphere for our planet:

ISS Progress resupply craft and The Earth


CO2 is a form of industrial pollution just as are the various other industrial pollutants...

Ask your Politicians and Yourself what they and you are doing to stop Global Warming, now.

Regards,
Martin

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Running the rule over Stern's numbers

"When the Stern Review into the Economics of Climate Change came out last year, it was showered with praise.

UK Prime Minister Tony Blair called it, "the most important report on the future ever published by this government".

But expert critics of the review now claim that it overestimates the risk of severe global warming, and underestimates the cost of acting to stop it."

The message from the report's chief author, the economist Sir Nicholas Stern, was simple: if we did nothing about climate change, it would cost us the equivalent of at least 5% of global GDP each year, now and forever.

But if we acted today, we could prevent a catastrophe.

These figures sounded scary and imminent. But if you read the report in detail, that is not what it actually says.

The 5% damage to global GDP figure will not happen for well over one hundred years, according to Stern's predictions. And the review certainly does not forecast disastrous consequences in our lifetimes.

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Running the rule over Stern's numbers
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Interesting alternative 'spin' on the story.

The crucial comments are I think:

When we put this comment to Sir Nicholas Stern, he replied: "The IPCC is a good process but it does depend on consensus and it means that they have to be quite cautious in what they say.

"We were able to look to the evidence and use it in a very particular way, to look at the economics of risk."

Sir Nicholas is aware of the increasing number of academic critiques of his review, but remains certain about his conclusions.

"It is very important that the report is discussed; a number of people have raised interesting points and we will be discussing them all.

"There are no certainties; but the broad conclusion that the costs of action are a good deal less than the damages they save, I think is pretty robust."

And that is a BIG point: How do you cost up the chance of disaster?...

And the questioning comments and reinterpretation of the report does not shift the weight of science showing that we are dangerously and rapidly warming the planet. The danger of climate "Tipping Points" cannot just be blithely ignored!

I'm sure there will be more to this story to unfold soon...

Regards,
Martin

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I'm sure there will be more to this story to unfold soon...

It's not just about the story, as you very well know in the debates we have had on these boards about Climate Change. It is about the spin that people put on the story to suite their own arguments. Back in October Blair, the UK Prime Minister, was specifically saying that the Climate change fight 'can't wait'. He went on to make all sorts of arguments why it was a crisis and we should act now. Clearly, this is not what the Stern report said, and clearly Blair is leading us into another Iraq war blindfolded, except he doesn't care if it's Iraq or not this time so long as he misleads his country again.

I am not saying there is no Climate Change problem, since you have to be a totally ingrowing toe nail if you can't see that Climate Change exists, but let's not be having these ridiculous extreme calls for action and to spend money when the evidence simply does not exist in the Stern Report or anywhere else to justify all this hype.

I'm going to have to change the title of this thread again since you insist on saying links only, but then decide to debate anyway.

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... It is about the spin that people put on the story to suite their own arguments. Back in October Blair, the UK Prime Minister, was specifically saying that the Climate change fight 'can't wait'. He went on to make all sorts of arguments why it was a crisis and we should act now. Clearly, this is not what the Stern report said, ...

Brief comment: Yes, far too much spin all round. There's a lot of 'power play'. The Stern report follows present climate trends. We must act now due to the decades of natural enertia in the Global Climate and there are also the Human political enertias to overcome...

OK, so please redirect "verbose debate" over into the Fun Global Warming thread?...

Regards,
Martin

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BBC Climate Change Experiment Results

OK, so please redirect "verbose debate" over into the Fun With Global Warming thread?...

Yes, good idea!

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A planet evolving

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Climate change 'affecting' China

At least 300,000 people in north-west China are short of drinking water because of unseasonably warm weather, which officials link to climate change.
Parts of Shaanxi province face drought after January saw as little as 10% of average rainfall, state media say.

Frozen lakes are melting and trees are blossoming in the capital Beijing as it experiences its warmest winter for 30 years, the China Daily reported.

China is the world's biggest producer of greenhouse gases, after the US.

The country's top meteorologist, Qin Dahe, said the recent dry and warm weather in northern China was related to global warming.

But he told reporters that China was committed to improving energy efficiency, and planned to reduce carbon dioxide and other emissions by 20% in the next five years.

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Floods in Mozambique

The floods have forced tens of thousands from their homes

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Business calls for carbon targets

An international grouping of corporate leaders has called on governments to take more action on climate change.



The Global Roundtable on Climate Change, which includes more than 80 big companies, says politicians need to agree new targets for carbon emissions.

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