win 98 v. 4.10.1998

Installed 4.06 over 4.05

Not bad. Did find tabs slow in response during download but it may be nothing.

1- incident

I am letting it go on the internet without the password again( dail-up)
to see if in this case any error show up.

In this case the pocessing of the wu stopped and I closed and restarted the gui
It went well after and still is.


May run out of work in 3.00 days; requesting more
Requesting 251777 seconds of work
Sending request to scheduler: http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi
scheduler init_op_project to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi failed, error -1
init_op_project failed, error -1
Deferring communication with project for 1 minutes and 0 seconds
Suspending network activity - user request
Resuming network activity
May run out of work in 3.00 days; requesting more
Requesting 254090 seconds of work
Sending request to scheduler: http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi
Can't resolve hostname setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu (host name not found)
scheduler init_op_project to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi failed, error -113
init_op_project failed, error -113

Result 04my04aa.25870.22880.540884.39_0 exited with zero status but no 'finished' file
You may need to restart BOINC to finish this result
Deferring communication with project for 3 minutes and 12 seconds

running v4.06 on 3 win98se machines troublefree. great work ROM!

> Sending request to scheduler: http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi
> Can't resolve hostname setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu (host name not found)
> scheduler init_op_project to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi
> failed, error -113
> init_op_project failed, error -113
>
Not 100% sure, but doubt that it has anything to do with the 4.06. Sounds more like a DNS problem from your isp providers site

> The .pdb files are Reference file for debugging errors.
> Unzip and put them in the Boinc directory [folder], IE c:program filesboinc.
>
> Fred BOINC Alpha & BOINC Beta Tester

Hi Fred (or anyone who knows) - I've downloaded both 4.06 files (I have Win98SE) & want to install them but I wanted to be sure about the .pdb files first. Once I install the main file it will start running & downloading work (hopefully) so do I need to do something with the .pdb files BEFORE installing the main file? Or should I install them after BOINC starts running? If I unzip the .pdb files first, would they go in c:\program files\boinc of 4.05 since there is no 4.06 folder yet?

These are the unzipped files, are they correct?

boinc_cli.pdb
boinc_dll.pdb
boinc_gui.pdb
boinc_scr.pdb

Also, I don't run command line or the screensaver, so is it necessary to put those particular files in the BOINC folder? Thanks.

Nice job Rom and everybody involved...

Just upgraded my two W98 machines to v4.06 and so far everything is working fine.

Keep it up and running ...

> Win98SE, I wouldn't touch ME with a barge pole ;-)

Hehehe. A lot of people have that reaction. However, my WinME system had been running without problems for four years (not 24/7) before this BOINC 4.05 problem wiped out the harddrive.

From prior discussions I've learned that the people who have had BADBADBAD experiences with WinME were those who performed an UPDATE from Win98 to WinME.

All of the people I talked to who did a CLEAN INSTALL of WinME to an empty system experienced NO problems (other than those normal to any Windows setup).

WinME isn't bad at all. It's DOS support is somewhat crippled, but that's all.

> Hi Fred (or anyone who knows) - I've downloaded both 4.06 files (I have
> Win98SE) & want to install them but I wanted to be sure about the .pdb
> files first. Once I install the main file it will start running &
> downloading work (hopefully) so do I need to do something with the .pdb files
> BEFORE installing the main file? Or should I install them after BOINC starts
> running? If I unzip the .pdb files first, would they go in c:program
> filesboinc of 4.05 since there is no 4.06 folder yet?
>
> These are the unzipped files, are they correct?
>
> boinc_cli.pdb
> boinc_dll.pdb
> boinc_gui.pdb
> boinc_scr.pdb
>
Hi

So far no need to install the debugging files. If Rom or the dev team asks for it, yes, then go ahead.

But if you were to install them, then in the same folder as 4.06.

Hope this helps m8

GREAT JOB ROM My system is back to crunching Wu's again. Build 4.06 seems to have solved my problems also. THANX

> Hi
>
> So far no need to install the debugging files. If Rom or the dev team asks for
> it, yes, then go ahead.
>
> But if you were to install them, then in the same folder as 4.06.
>
> Hope this helps m8

Ok, thanks for your help....has anyone (with Win98 or ME) had any problems with duplicate hosts resulting from the 4.06, or with duplicate projects in the projects tab?

Installed without any problems (Win98 over 4.05).
Let it run for a while and here is the messages info:

--- - 2004-09-01 01:21:56 - Version Change Detected (4.05 -> 4.06); running CPU benchmarks
--- - 2004-09-01 01:21:56 - General prefs: from SETI@home (last modified 2004-06-30 23:42:14)
--- - 2004-09-01 01:21:56 - Starting BOINC client version 4.06 for windows_intelx86
SETI@home - 2004-09-01 01:21:56 - Project prefs: using your defaults
SETI@home - 2004-09-01 01:21:56 - Host ID is 150085
--- - 2004-09-01 01:21:56 - General prefs: using your defaults
--- - 2004-09-01 01:21:58 - Running CPU benchmarks
--- - 2004-09-01 01:21:58 - Suspending computation and network activity - running CPU benchmarks
--- - 2004-09-01 01:22:59 - Benchmark results:
--- - 2004-09-01 01:22:59 - 319 double precision MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
--- - 2004-09-01 01:22:59 - Number of CPUs: 1
--- - 2004-09-01 01:22:59 - 546 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU
--- - 2004-09-01 01:22:59 - Finished CPU benchmarks
--- - 2004-09-01 01:23:01 - Resuming computation and network activity
SETI@home - 2004-09-01 01:24:02 - Resetting project
SETI@home - 2004-09-01 01:24:03 - Sending request to scheduler: http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi
--- - 2004-09-01 01:24:03 - Insufficient work; requesting more
SETI@home - 2004-09-01 01:24:03 - Requesting 12686 seconds of work
SETI@home - 2004-09-01 01:24:24 - Project prefs: using your defaults
SETI@home - 2004-09-01 01:24:24 - Scheduler RPC to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi succeeded
SETI@home - 2004-09-01 01:24:27 - Started download of setiathome_4.03_windows_intelx86.exe
SETI@home - 2004-09-01 01:24:28 - Started download of better_banner.jpg
SETI@home - 2004-09-01 01:24:31 - Finished download of better_banner.jpg
SETI@home - 2004-09-01 01:24:31 - Throughput 2183 bytes/sec
SETI@home - 2004-09-01 01:24:31 - Started download of setiathome_4.03_windows_intelx86.pdb
SETI@home - 2004-09-01 01:25:06 - Finished download of setiathome_4.03_windows_intelx86.exe
SETI@home - 2004-09-01 01:25:06 - Throughput 20151 bytes/sec
SETI@home - 2004-09-01 01:25:06 - Started download of 04my04aa.14406.25586.586070.227
SETI@home - 2004-09-01 01:25:30 - Throughput 15075 bytes/sec
SETI@home - 2004-09-01 01:25:30 - Finished download of 04my04aa.14406.25586.586070.227
SETI@home - 2004-09-01 01:28:20 - Finished download of setiathome_4.03_windows_intelx86.pdb
SETI@home - 2004-09-01 01:28:20 - Throughput 21064 bytes/sec
SETI@home - 2004-09-01 01:28:20 - Starting result 04my04aa.14406.25586.586070.227_1 using setiathome version 4.03



So far no anomolies.

> WinME isn't bad at all. It's DOS support is somewhat crippled, but that's all
I dont call "not bad" an OS that you can crash it with a simple C program:

int main () {
int* a=0;
(*a)++;
return (0);
}

and when you reset the PC, you risk to loose data on disk ...

Aha ! Seems to have another problem here, with 4.06 and XP Prof:

--- - 2004-09-01 19:56:52 - Starting BOINC client version 4.06 for windows_intelx86
Predictor@home - 2004-09-01 19:56:52 - Project prefs: using your defaults
SETI@home - 2004-09-01 19:56:52 - Project prefs: using your defaults
climateprediction.net - 2004-09-01 19:56:52 - Project prefs: using your defaults
--- - 2004-09-01 19:56:52 - Version Change Detected (4.05 -> 4.06); running CPU benchmarks
Predictor@home - 2004-09-01 19:56:52 - Host ID is 22057
SETI@home - 2004-09-01 19:56:52 - Host ID is 81882
climateprediction.net - 2004-09-01 19:56:52 - Host ID is 11227
--- - 2004-09-01 19:56:52 - General prefs: from SETI@home (last modified 2004-08-31 06:35:35)
--- - 2004-09-01 19:56:52 - General prefs: using your defaults
climateprediction.net - 2004-09-01 19:56:52 - Resuming computation for result 038i_500029179_0 using hadsm3 version 4.03
SETI@home - 2004-09-01 19:56:52 - Resuming computation for result 04my04aa.14406.27794.959660.15_1 using setiathome version 4.03
SETI@home - 2004-09-01 19:56:52 - Deferring computation for result 04my04aa.14406.28706.903410.200_0
--- - 2004-09-01 19:56:53 - Running CPU benchmarks
--- - 2004-09-01 19:56:53 - Suspending computation and network activity - running CPU benchmarks
--- - 2004-09-01 19:57:54 - Benchmark results:
--- - 2004-09-01 19:57:54 - Number of CPUs: 2
--- - 2004-09-01 19:57:54 - 1455 double precision MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
--- - 2004-09-01 19:57:54 - 2067 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU
--- - 2004-09-01 19:57:54 - Finished CPU benchmarks
--- - 2004-09-01 19:57:55 - Resuming computation and network activity
Predictor@home - 2004-09-01 19:57:55 - Deferring communication with project for 39 minutes and 19 seconds
SETI@home - 2004-09-01 19:57:55 - Started download of 25ap04aa.389.1361.542316.236
SETI@home - 2004-09-01 19:57:55 - Started download of 25ap04aa.389.1361.542316.222
SETI@home - 2004-09-01 19:57:56 - Giving up on download of 25ap04aa.389.1361.542316.236: File downloaded was not the correct file or was garbage from bad URL
SETI@home - 2004-09-01 19:57:56 - Giving up on download of 25ap04aa.389.1361.542316.222: File downloaded was not the correct file or was garbage from bad URL
SETI@home - 2004-09-01 19:57:56 - Started download of 25ap04aa.389.1361.542316.238
SETI@home - 2004-09-01 19:57:56 - Started download of 25ap04aa.389.1361.542316.224
SETI@home - 2004-09-01 19:57:56 - verify_downloaded_file(): projects\setiathome.berkeley.edu\25ap04aa.389.1361.542316.236: MD5 computation failed: -108
SETI@home - 2004-09-01 19:57:56 - Checksum or signature error for 25ap04aa.389.1361.542316.236
SETI@home - 2004-09-01 19:57:56 - verify_downloaded_file(): projects\setiathome.berkeley.edu\25ap04aa.389.1361.542316.222: MD5 computation failed: -108
SETI@home - 2004-09-01 19:57:56 - Checksum or signature error for 25ap04aa.389.1361.542316.222
SETI@home - 2004-09-01 19:57:58 - Giving up on download of 25ap04aa.389.1361.542316.238: File downloaded was not the correct file or was garbage from bad URL
SETI@home - 2004-09-01 19:57:58 - Giving up on download of 25ap04aa.389.1361.542316.224: File downloaded was not the correct file or was garbage from bad URL
SETI@home - 2004-09-01 19:57:58 - Started download of 25au03aa.27140.29393.623562.30
SETI@home - 2004-09-01 19:57:58 - verify_downloaded_file(): projects\setiathome.berkeley.edu\25ap04aa.389.1361.542316.238: MD5 computation failed: -108
SETI@home - 2004-09-01 19:57:58 - Checksum or signature error for 25ap04aa.389.1361.542316.238
SETI@home - 2004-09-01 19:57:58 - verify_downloaded_file(): projects\setiathome.berkeley.edu\25ap04aa.389.1361.542316.224: MD5 computation failed: -108
SETI@home - 2004-09-01 19:57:58 - Checksum or signature error for 25ap04aa.389.1361.542316.224
SETI@home - 2004-09-01 19:58:00 - Giving up on download of 25au03aa.27140.29393.623562.30: File downloaded was not the correct file or was garbage from bad URL
SETI@home - 2004-09-01 19:58:00 - verify_downloaded_file(): projects\setiathome.berkeley.edu\25au03aa.27140.29393.623562.30: MD5 computation failed: -108
SETI@home - 2004-09-01 19:58:00 - Checksum or signature error for 25au03aa.27140.29393.623562.30

Feedback for Rom:

GUI 4.05, on my Win98 system, kept hanging or crashing :( Even rendered the whole PC useless with an avalanche of exception error messages.

I downloaded 4.06 and it's been very stable since. That's for 7 hours now. No other problems - seems to be crunching fine now :)

Thanks
Mark

I suspect this is a server side problem, not a new problem
with 4.06. I have a 4.05 version running
on Windows 2003 since seti went to 4.05 and its been working fine, but is now giving the same errors as below.

> Aha ! Seems to have another problem here, with 4.06 and XP Prof:
>
> --- - 2004-09-01 19:56:52 - Starting BOINC client version 4.06 for
> windows_intelx86
> Predictor@home - 2004-09-01 19:56:52 - Project prefs: using your defaults
> SETI@home - 2004-09-01 19:56:52 - Project prefs: using your defaults
> climateprediction.net - 2004-09-01 19:56:52 - Project prefs: using your
> defaults
> --- - 2004-09-01 19:56:52 - Version Change Detected (4.05 -> 4.06); running
> CPU benchmarks
> Predictor@home - 2004-09-01 19:56:52 - Host ID is 22057
> SETI@home - 2004-09-01 19:56:52 - Host ID is 81882
> climateprediction.net - 2004-09-01 19:56:52 - Host ID is 11227
> --- - 2004-09-01 19:56:52 - General prefs: from SETI@home (last modified
> 2004-08-31 06:35:35)
> --- - 2004-09-01 19:56:52 - General prefs: using your defaults
> climateprediction.net - 2004-09-01 19:56:52 - Resuming computation for result
> 038i_500029179_0 using hadsm3 version 4.03
> SETI@home - 2004-09-01 19:56:52 - Resuming computation for result
> 04my04aa.14406.27794.959660.15_1 using setiathome version 4.03
> SETI@home - 2004-09-01 19:56:52 - Deferring computation for result
> 04my04aa.14406.28706.903410.200_0
> --- - 2004-09-01 19:56:53 - Running CPU benchmarks
> --- - 2004-09-01 19:56:53 - Suspending computation and network activity -
> running CPU benchmarks
> --- - 2004-09-01 19:57:54 - Benchmark results:
> --- - 2004-09-01 19:57:54 - Number of CPUs: 2
> --- - 2004-09-01 19:57:54 - 1455 double precision MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
> --- - 2004-09-01 19:57:54 - 2067 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU
> --- - 2004-09-01 19:57:54 - Finished CPU benchmarks
> --- - 2004-09-01 19:57:55 - Resuming computation and network activity
> Predictor@home - 2004-09-01 19:57:55 - Deferring communication with project
> for 39 minutes and 19 seconds
> SETI@home - 2004-09-01 19:57:55 - Started download of
> 25ap04aa.389.1361.542316.236
> SETI@home - 2004-09-01 19:57:55 - Started download of
> 25ap04aa.389.1361.542316.222
> SETI@home - 2004-09-01 19:57:56 - Giving up on download of
> 25ap04aa.389.1361.542316.236: File downloaded was not the correct file or was
> garbage from bad URL
> SETI@home - 2004-09-01 19:57:56 - Giving up on download of
> 25ap04aa.389.1361.542316.222: File downloaded was not the correct file or was
> garbage from bad URL
> SETI@home - 2004-09-01 19:57:56 - Started download of
> 25ap04aa.389.1361.542316.238
> SETI@home - 2004-09-01 19:57:56 - Started download of
> 25ap04aa.389.1361.542316.224
> SETI@home - 2004-09-01 19:57:56 - verify_downloaded_file():
> projectssetiathome.berkeley.edu25ap04aa.389.1361.542316.236: MD5 computation
> failed: -108
> SETI@home - 2004-09-01 19:57:56 - Checksum or signature error for
> 25ap04aa.389.1361.542316.236
> SETI@home - 2004-09-01 19:57:56 - verify_downloaded_file():
> projectssetiathome.berkeley.edu25ap04aa.389.1361.542316.222: MD5 computation
> failed: -108
> SETI@home - 2004-09-01 19:57:56 - Checksum or signature error for
> 25ap04aa.389.1361.542316.222
> SETI@home - 2004-09-01 19:57:58 - Giving up on download of
> 25ap04aa.389.1361.542316.238: File downloaded was not the correct file or was
> garbage from bad URL
> SETI@home - 2004-09-01 19:57:58 - Giving up on download of
> 25ap04aa.389.1361.542316.224: File downloaded was not the correct file or was
> garbage from bad URL
> SETI@home - 2004-09-01 19:57:58 - Started download of
> 25au03aa.27140.29393.623562.30
> SETI@home - 2004-09-01 19:57:58 - verify_downloaded_file():
> projectssetiathome.berkeley.edu25ap04aa.389.1361.542316.238: MD5 computation
> failed: -108
> SETI@home - 2004-09-01 19:57:58 - Checksum or signature error for
> 25ap04aa.389.1361.542316.238
> SETI@home - 2004-09-01 19:57:58 - verify_downloaded_file():
> projectssetiathome.berkeley.edu25ap04aa.389.1361.542316.224: MD5 computation
> failed: -108
> SETI@home - 2004-09-01 19:57:58 - Checksum or signature error for
> 25ap04aa.389.1361.542316.224
> SETI@home - 2004-09-01 19:58:00 - Giving up on download of
> 25au03aa.27140.29393.623562.30: File downloaded was not the correct file or
> was garbage from bad URL
> SETI@home - 2004-09-01 19:58:00 - verify_downloaded_file():
> projectssetiathome.berkeley.edu25au03aa.27140.29393.623562.30: MD5 computation
> failed: -108
> SETI@home - 2004-09-01 19:58:00 - Checksum or signature error for
> 25au03aa.27140.29393.623562.30
>
> <img> src="http://boinc.mundayweb.com/predictor/stats.php?userID=181&trans=off">
>
>
>
>

OK, Thanks. I'm a little bit worried, because I watn to install new 4.06 on machines at the office tomorrow morning (8 AM CET) some are XP's, others 98's and 2003 server.

Many thanks to all BOINC Dev. team to solve this problem so quick :)

Best regards

I've been running 4.06 on six Win98SE boxes for about half a day with no hangs. This compares with half my machines hanging within an hour or two with 4.05.

Actually folks, most of the thanks goes too Walt Gribben for pointing us in the right place.

Without his help, it could have dragged on for days.

----- Rom
BOINC Development Team, U.C. Berkeley

> > Win98SE, I wouldn't touch ME with a barge pole ;-)
>
> Hehehe. A lot of people have that reaction. However, my WinME system had
> been running without problems for four years (not 24/7) before this
> BOINC 4.05 problem wiped out the harddrive.
>
> From prior discussions I've learned that the people who have had BADBADBAD
> experiences with WinME were those who performed an UPDATE from Win98 to
> WinME.
>
> All of the people I talked to who did a CLEAN INSTALL of WinME to an empty
> system experienced NO problems (other than those normal to any Windows
> setup).
>
> WinME isn't bad at all. It's DOS support is somewhat crippled, but that's
> all.
>

A lot of people seem to forget that many of us crunchers use as many machines as they can lay their hands on. Often these machines have older OS'ses installed it is therefore no argument to begin to argue to install another OS on such machines...they aren't simply worth the extra cost.
On my newer machines 2.4GHz and up I naturally do have the most recent OS installed.
In this thread many argue from the point of a couple machines, they quickly would change their minds if they had to buy XP pro for lets say 30 or more machines.... grin....
Therefore its good for the cause that older OS'ses are not dumped or forgotten.
Thanks to ROM for the quick support.

(no, everything on my own, no groups,...)
Greetings from Belgium ;-))

Rom, You also did a great job :)

Niech moc bêdzie z nami ! :)



> Actually folks, most of the thanks goes too Walt Gribben for pointing us in
> the right place.
>
> Without his help, it could have dragged on for days.

> > WinME isn't bad at all. It's DOS support is somewhat crippled, but
> that's all
> I dont call "not bad" an OS that you can crash it with a simple C program:
>
> int main () {
> int* a=0;
> (*a)++;
> return (0);
> }
>
> and when you reset the PC, you risk to loose data on disk ...
>
>
As long as there are thieves when one wants each lock can be broken... even XP pro.

Grin