Why are Mac users snubbed by so many projects? I looked at GridRepublic....no Mac support, but all the screen shots of BOINC projects are shown on an iMac G5. Quite confused. Climate/BBC have completely snubbed Mac's.
I remember Linux being so alien to some folks for so many years, but now it seems Mac's are on the way out. even the addon's for projects are lacking so much for Macs. Anyone wanna buy my Mac?

Anyone wanna buy my Mac?

To have or to buy? :-)

Peter

I'd love to buy a Mac, but the pricing of them are just too nuts. I know they are superior in many ways, but when I can pick up PCs for a steal, it's hard to justify the costs for me. Maybe some day when I am financially independent. I need to get OSX for my G3 Blue. I'd live to get that bugger crunching.

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I liked Macs from mid 80's, even used MasOS in Mac emulator on Atari ST for a few years since '88, but having a real Mac at home was and still is a not affordable idea for me :-(

If xi3piscium should really be throwing his one(s) out of the window, I'll stay under with fireman's sail :-)

OK, fun enough, I've been always saying "When I will finally be grown..."

Peter

If you only knew the power... :)

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Why are Mac users snubbed by so many projects? I looked at GridRepublic....no Mac support, but all the screen shots of BOINC projects are shown on an iMac G5. Quite confused. Climate/BBC have completely snubbed Mac's.
I remember Linux being so alien to some folks for so many years, but now it seems Mac's are on the way out. even the addon's for projects are lacking so much for Macs. Anyone wanna buy my Mac?

Well a not -so-long-tiome ago, Bill Gates stole the idea fro mWozniak and Jobs and got it to market alot quicker. Now, possession being 9/10ths of the law.....he had a great headstart.

In the beginning there was 3.1 and it had many bugs. So he improved the number of bugs greatly with Win95 and decided he needed more and went on to Win98 and Win98SE. Now this wasn't nearly good enough to consternate the consumers so out he whipped WinME. After much wailing and gnashing of teeth, and the consumers demanded more with less, XP, XPPro, and Xp64 arrived on the scene.

If you want a Win system to work as it really should, get an Apple. If you want to have a wide variety of progs to run, and don't really mind the tweaking you have to do, get a PC.

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... If you want a Win system to work as it really should, get an Apple. If you want to have a wide variety of progs to run, and don't really mind the tweaking you have to do, get a PC.

You also have the option of using Linux on PC or Mac hardware. You then have the choice of the KDE desktop to get a look 'n' feel similar to Windows or you can use the Gnome desktop for a more "Mac-like" experience. Take your choice!

And for such as GR and BAM, I think that some healthy choice and friendly competition is a very good idea.

Happy crunchin',
Martin

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If you only knew the power... :)

The Dark power of the Power Macs x86?

Peter

... If you want a Win system to work as it really should, get an Apple. If you want to have a wide variety of progs to run, and don't really mind the tweaking you have to do, get a PC.

You also have the option of using Linux on PC or Mac hardware. You then have the choice of the KDE desktop to get a look 'n' feel similar to Windows or you can use the Gnome desktop for a more "Mac-like" experience. Take your choice!

Happy crunchin',
Martin

Then there is WINE (Windows interface that runs on *nix). Oh, and you have Linux choices. There are simple ones that install without a lot of knowledge. Then there are those that you can tweak and install the components you want, and make a lean, mean, crunching machine. So many choices, so little time.

Of course, you could always go away from the "norm", and go with other flavors of *nix. FreeBSD, NetBSD, SCO, and many, many others.

It's all choice. Of course there is a lot of things "forced" upon you. I wish our "small" world of computers had more. There were some "contenders" way back in the day, but none of them prevailed enough. BeOS was awesome. There were others.

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I was just kidding about selling my Mac, which is a ppc, not one of the new intel duo's. I'm just disappointed as an enduser about many of the BOINC projs. snubbing Mac's.

The last time I saw the "Top 200 Computers" which was yesterday the leaders were (except one) all Macs. It might be wise to research those leaders to see which type Macs they are, but there are also some other upcomers that are not Macs. Maybe a check as to how many seconds it takes to do certain types of workunits would be worthwhile. The three types of workunits that I see are the 15-credit (higher yield per hour), 30-credit (lower yield) and 60-credit (average yield) ones. There's another type, VLARs, that I havent seen for a month or more. There may still be other types that havent been distributed for a long time. It depends on angle range.

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Why are Mac users snubbed by so many projects? I looked at GridRepublic....no Mac support, but all the screen shots of BOINC projects are
shown on an iMac G5. Quite confused. Climate/BBC have completely snubbed Mac's.
I remember Linux being so alien to some folks for so many years, but now it seems Mac's are on the way out. even the addon's for projects are lacking so much for Macs. Anyone wanna buy my Mac?

Grid Repuplic is absolutly not representative. Please look at the other thread in the Number Crunching forums.

There are a lot of projects which supports Mac´s. There is a list in the boinc wiki : http://boinc-wiki.ath.cx/index.php?title=Choosing_a_BOINC_Powered_Project

The number of projects, which supports are increasing, not decreasing. For example SIMAP and WCG has released Mac application for MacOS on Intel and PPC. Other Project has planed to port it to the Mac, too.

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The number of projects, which supports are increasing, not decreasing. For example SIMAP and WCG has released Mac application for MacOS on Intel and PPC. Other Project has planed to port it to the Mac, too.

True, but unfortunately most of these ports are so bad (and slow) that the only 2 projects you can really run on a Mac are SETI@Home (thanks to alexkan's worker) and Einstein@Home (thanks to Bernd Machenschalk's Beta worker). Both projects produce appr. 22-25 credits/hour/processor on my G5 Dual 2.7 GHz machine while e.g. Rosetta@Home only gives 8-9 credits/hour (after recent adjustments).

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The number of projects, which supports are increasing, not decreasing. For example SIMAP and WCG has released Mac application for MacOS on Intel and PPC. Other Project has planed to port it to the Mac, too.

True, but unfortunately most of these ports are so bad (and slow) that the only 2 projects you can really run on a Mac are SETI@Home (thanks to alexkan's worker) and Einstein@Home (thanks to Bernd Machenschalk's Beta worker). Both projects

No. The SETI, SIMAP and WCG performs very well on my MB Pro.

produce appr. 22-25 credits/hour/processor on my G5 Dual 2.7 GHz machine while e.g. Rosetta@Home only gives 8-9 credits/hour (after recent adjustments).

Sorry, but credits per hour have nothing to do with the performance.

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Sorry, but credits per hour have nothing to do with the performance.

Well, it has now since they changed the way of calculation for credits.

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Sorry, but credits per hour have nothing to do with the performance.

Well, it has now since they changed the way of calculation for credits.

???. Could you please explain this.

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Sorry, but credits per hour have nothing to do with the performance.

Well, it has now since they changed the way of calculation for credits.

???. Could you please explain this.

Nowadays credits are granted strictly according to the amount of calculations done - not corrected by benchmark numbers for the computer anymore. Therefore more calculations per hour = more credits/hour = quality of optimization for a platform/operating system (given that the processor speed stays the same).

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Sorry, but credits per hour have nothing to do with the performance.

Well, it has now since they changed the way of calculation for credits.

???. Could you please explain this.

Nowadays credits are granted strictly according to the amount of calculations done - not corrected by benchmark numbers for the computer anymore. Therefore more calculations per hour = more credits/hour = quality of optimization for a platform/operating system (given that the processor speed stays the same).

No, there is a result correction factor within the application, which is used for calibrating speficic projects credits. But the different projects get also different credits in the moment.
The credits are a fictive value. If you would do a real comparsion, you need to compare the computing times of the different OSes. And with this comparison, the MacOS applications at SETI, SETI BETA, Einstein, SIMAP and WCG has a good performance compared against other OSes and hardware platforms.

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