We are all unfortunately in the same position, see Technical news.

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Everything was working a few weeks ago and then kaput...is this me or the servers???..i installed the 5.2.13 version tonight...

12/8/2005 9:23:06 PM||Starting BOINC client version 5.2.13 for windows_intelx86
12/8/2005 9:23:06 PM||libcurl/7.14.0 OpenSSL/0.9.8 zlib/1.2.3
12/8/2005 9:23:06 PM||Data directory: C:\\Program Files\\BOINC
12/8/2005 9:23:06 PM||Processor: 1 AuthenticAMD AMD Athlon(tm) XP 3200+
12/8/2005 9:23:06 PM||Memory: 1023.48 MB physical, 2.40 GB virtual
12/8/2005 9:23:06 PM||Disk: 232.88 GB total, 218.25 GB free
12/8/2005 9:23:06 PM||No general preferences found - using BOINC defaults
12/8/2005 9:23:07 PM||Remote control not allowed; using loopback address
12/8/2005 9:23:07 PM||This computer is not attached to any projects.
12/8/2005 9:23:07 PM||There are several ways to attach to a project:
12/8/2005 9:23:07 PM||1) Run the BOINC Manager and click Projects.
12/8/2005 9:23:07 PM||2) (Unix/Mac) Use boinc_cmd --project_attach
12/8/2005 9:23:07 PM||3) (Unix/Mac) Run this program with the -attach_project command-line option.
12/8/2005 9:23:07 PM||Visit http://boinc.berkeley.edu for more information
12/8/2005 9:23:51 PM||Fetching config info from http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/get_project_config.php
12/8/2005 9:24:15 PM|http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/|Master file download succeeded
12/8/2005 9:24:15 PM|http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/|Sending scheduler request to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi
12/8/2005 9:24:15 PM|http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/|Reason: Requested by user
12/8/2005 9:24:15 PM|http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/|Requesting 8640 seconds of new work
12/8/2005 9:24:17 PM|http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/|Scheduler request to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi succeeded
12/8/2005 9:24:17 PM|SETI@home|General preferences have been updated
12/8/2005 9:24:17 PM|SETI@home|New host venue: home
12/8/2005 9:24:17 PM||General prefs: from SETI@home (last modified 2005-11-21 20:16:53)
12/8/2005 9:24:17 PM||General prefs: no separate prefs for home; using your defaults
12/8/2005 9:24:17 PM|SETI@home|Successfully attached to SETI@home
12/8/2005 9:24:19 PM|SETI@home|Started download of setiathome_4.18_windows_intelx86.exe
12/8/2005 9:24:19 PM|SETI@home|Started download of better_banner.jpg
12/8/2005 9:24:21 PM|SETI@home|Temporarily failed download of setiathome_4.18_windows_intelx86.exe: error 500
12/8/2005 9:24:21 PM|SETI@home|Backing off 1 minutes and 0 seconds on download of file setiathome_4.18_windows_intelx86.exe
12/8/2005 9:24:21 PM|SETI@home|Temporarily failed download of better_banner.jpg: error 500
12/8/2005 9:24:21 PM|SETI@home|Backing off 1 minutes and 0 seconds on download of file better_banner.jpg
12/8/2005 9:24:21 PM|SETI@home|Started download of setiathome_4.18_windows_intelx86.pdb
12/8/2005 9:24:21 PM|SETI@home|Started download of 30se04aa.8299.8688.940902.130
12/8/2005 9:24:59 PM|SETI@home|Finished download of 30se04aa.8299.8688.940902.130
12/8/2005 9:24:59 PM|SETI@home|Throughput 10302 bytes/sec
12/8/2005 9:25:07 PM|SETI@home|Finished download of setiathome_4.18_windows_intelx86.pdb
12/8/2005 9:25:07 PM|SETI@home|Throughput 58292 bytes/sec
12/8/2005 9:25:12 PM||request_reschedule_cpus: project op
12/8/2005 9:25:12 PM|SETI@home|Sending scheduler request to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi
12/8/2005 9:25:12 PM|SETI@home|Reason: Requested by user
12/8/2005 9:25:12 PM|SETI@home|Note: not requesting new work or reporting results
12/8/2005 9:25:18 PM|SETI@home|Scheduler request to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi succeeded
12/8/2005 9:25:22 PM|SETI@home|Started download of setiathome_4.18_windows_intelx86.exe
12/8/2005 9:25:22 PM|SETI@home|Started download of better_banner.jpg
12/8/2005 9:26:26 PM||request_reschedule_cpus: project op
12/8/2005 9:26:28 PM|SETI@home|Sending scheduler request to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi
12/8/2005 9:26:28 PM|SETI@home|Reason: Requested by user
12/8/2005 9:26:28 PM|SETI@home|Note: not requesting new work or reporting results
12/8/2005 9:26:33 PM|SETI@home|Scheduler request to http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah_cgi/cgi succeeded
12/8/2005 9:26:56 PM|SETI@home|Temporarily failed download of setiathome_4.18_windows_intelx86.exe: error 500
12/8/2005 9:26:56 PM|SETI@home|Backing off 1 minutes and 0 seconds on download of file setiathome_4.18_windows_intelx86.exe
12/8/2005 9:26:56 PM|SETI@home|Temporarily failed download of better_banner.jpg: error 500
12/8/2005 9:26:56 PM|SETI@home|Backing off 1 minutes and 0 seconds on download of file better_banner.jpg
12/8/2005 9:27:56 PM|SETI@home|Started download of setiathome_4.18_windows_intelx86.exe
12/8/2005 9:27:56 PM|SETI@home|Started download of better_banner.jpg
12/8/2005 9:31:07 PM|SETI@home|Temporarily failed download of setiathome_4.18_windows_intelx86.exe: error 500
12/8/2005 9:31:07 PM|SETI@home|Backing off 1 minutes and 0 seconds on download of file setiathome_4.18_windows_intelx86.exe
12/8/2005 9:31:07 PM|SETI@home|Temporarily failed download of better_banner.jpg: error 500
12/8/2005 9:31:07 PM|SETI@home|Backing off 1 minutes and 0 seconds on download of file better_banner.jpg
12/8/2005 9:32:07 PM|SETI@home|Started download of setiathome_4.18_windows_intelx86.exe
12/8/2005 9:32:07 PM|SETI@home|Started download of better_banner.jpg

hellllp....

thanks,

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Maybe I was caught up in server problems because it is now working and is 42% complete. I do have another question, under the classic I had credit for over 115 units. It appears that the counter under Boinc is restarting at zero. Is this normal? My user name, Willows, appears on the screen so I believe I have linked properly with the classic history file.

Thanks for your comments.

Willows

If you click here you'll see 132 classic wus in your boinc account. these are "As of" march 15th (the last time the retrieved them) and will be updated when classic closes

Any other questions?

tony

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We are all unfortunately in the same position, see Technical news.

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Everything was working a few weeks ago and then kaput...is this me or the servers???..i installed the 5.2.13 version tonight...

hellllp....

thanks,

See the front page news or tech news, or any number of threads in the Number Crunching forum. It's definitely the servers.

The servers aren't our friends. LOL

Actually many are starting to get downloads and some are getting uploads completed to it's getting better.

tony

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The SETI staff seem to have an incredible flair for understatement, the way they've been phrasing their outage announcements. I now have TWENTY-ONE SETI transfers awaiting completion, wasting my bandwidth and CPU cycles trying in vain every few minutes to resend each one of them when clearly no one is answering the knocks at the door. I haven't been able to upload a single thing to SETI since December 4th.

When the system is well and truly DOWN, as it so clearly is right now, SETI needs to have a system in place, like an archaic air-raid siren, to communicate to my system that it should NOT bother trying to call again until it gets the all-clear signal. The current situation is wasteful and inconsiderate.

Mark Craig

Do the administrativ answer her about the up-/download problem?
Only to show to the technical news is boring.
Even i crunch a lot of seti-WU but now i cant up or down, this is quiet shit!

Only einstein works at time well!

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The SETI staff seem to have an incredible flair for understatement, the way they've been phrasing their outage announcements. I now have TWENTY-ONE SETI transfers awaiting completion, wasting my bandwidth and CPU cycles trying in vain every few minutes to resend each one of them when clearly no one is answering the knocks at the door. I haven't been able to upload a single thing to SETI since December 4th.

When the system is well and truly DOWN, as it so clearly is right now, SETI needs to have a system in place, like an archaic air-raid siren, to communicate to my system that it should NOT bother trying to call again until it gets the all-clear signal. The current situation is wasteful and inconsiderate.

Mark Craig

I have the same problem as everyone else with most of my computers (particularly the fast ones). The biggest problem is the lack of downloads. The solution to wasted computing power for me is to add rosetta@home (another BOINC project) as a second project on each backed up computer and temporarily suspend seti@home until the uploads are completed. That way I'm still using my computer power in a meaningful way and not being frustrated by the technical issues of the seti@home conversion.

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Do the administrativ answer her about the up-/download problem?
Only to show to the technical news is boring.
Even i crunch a lot of seti-WU but now i cant up or down, this is quiet shit!

Only einstein works at time well!

But Einstein only has a quarter of the user there are on Seti and the units take three times longer to process, therefore their server load is a lot, lot lighter. Plus being a newer project their servers are probably a lot newer and faster.

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Hi Tony:

I have noticed I seem to have less of a problem in the early evening, CST, with uploads and downloads. Right now, I have 5 items in the SETI upload queue. I will let you know how things go this evening.

I would encourage everyone whom believes in this project to exercise a Mother Teresa level of patience as there always will be unforseen bugs/problems when shifting from one system to another.

And I thank you for your patience with those of us, including myself, that are somewhat less so in this. It truly is frustrating, for all variables in the equation, I am sure.

You're most welcome, If there's anything else I can do, let me know.

Patience is tough to maintain. I have to step back, get away, and then return. I know the other volunteers feel the stress too. We are volunteers doing this because we care. If we didn't care we couldn't be here. I don't know of any of us who weren't Classic participants. It's most frustrating when you know you can help someone and they refuse the help, or can't be bothered to do things to help themselves...Oh well, we do what we can.

tony

Last night was a no-go, so the backlog continues to mount. Oh well. I'll wait for another day, another way then. ;)

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I agree with Andy. Until SETI gets straightened out I've suspended it and my bored computers are busily folding proteins for Rosetta (fast machines) or Predictor (slower machines). SETI probably benefits from this switch as well; my computers aren't constantly asking, "Are you there yet?"

I also agree that it would be nice if they could send an email such as "We are having trouble, here's what you should do:" and later "It's OK now, resume normal activity." It could be automated and therefore ;-) simple and foolproof.

The SETI staff seem to have an incredible flair for understatement, the way they've been phrasing their outage announcements. I now have TWENTY-ONE SETI transfers awaiting completion, wasting my bandwidth and CPU cycles trying in vain every few minutes to resend each one of them when clearly no one is answering the knocks at the door. I haven't been able to upload a single thing to SETI since December 4th.

When the system is well and truly DOWN, as it so clearly is right now, SETI needs to have a system in place, like an archaic air-raid siren, to communicate to my system that it should NOT bother trying to call again until it gets the all-clear signal. The current situation is wasteful and inconsiderate.

Mark Craig

I have the same problem as everyone else with most of my computers (particularly the fast ones). The biggest problem is the lack of downloads. The solution to wasted computing power for me is to add rosetta@home (another BOINC project) as a second project on each backed up computer and temporarily suspend seti@home until the uploads are completed. That way I'm still using my computer power in a meaningful way and not being frustrated by the technical issues of the seti@home conversion.

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Well the way it sounds is that the jackstraw log jam is slowly being picked apart and gained upon (slighlty) faster than we can pile up more on the backend.

I'll stand by while *you're* having technical difficulties! ;)

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Good heavens. I just switched over from the clasic SETI@home prog and have been trying to get this blasted BOINC version working. Why on earth am I having such a nasty time trying to get a new packet of data from the server? Gee, I was having a much easier time before this silly shutdown of the old system and my systems where doing more that just sitting and pondering what the useful purpose of "Naval Lint" is. When is this going to get back working so that my systems can continue to work on the SETI work and not be sitting, waiting for the servers to not be "busy?"

:-&

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I think SETI has found ET, and ET doesn't want to be bothered so he sent SETI a nice computer virus.

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I had strong suspicions B.O.I.N.K., was going to do just that...boink...they must have taken ther programming and release cues from Microshaft. So far I have over80 units between three different systems running processing...this is VERY frustrating and quickly making me feel like I am wasting my time and CPU time So we are obviously not alone ... for some reason it refuses to connect with the servers and has been trying for over a week do upload and download units. I even tried removing and reinstalling BOINK twice including an older version...NO JOY... oh well maybe when they get things normaized it will all work right. Hopefully this will be soon since this is VERY agrivating to watch this. and not be able to process... It would have been nice if they had the bugs worked out BEFORE trying to set this loose on the public....

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Ladies and gentlemen, the problems continue (actually from looking at traffic graphs since 22:00UTC last nite,the seem worse). Seti is caught in a catch 22, it's impossible to retask classic gear to help this without shutting them down. They need the classic gear to add to the boinc gear. See this post from a developer, and then this post from me.

thanks for your continued patience and participation

tony

Hey man, me too. I've been crunching seti data (playing as a starter on the team) for more than 4 years and now I feel like I'm watching the game through a knot-hole in the fence.
Here's an idea: SUSPEND OINKO-BOINKO until someone has tried a thing called beta testing.

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Boinc has been working for over a year and a half for me. Have you looked at the links in my previous post? If so, then there's nothing more I can add. Matt's been with seti before seti was a DC project, heck, before DC projects existed. If facts don't convince you then nothing I can say will.

I hope you stick around, but you need to make up your mind about what you want. After all it's your gear and electricity.

good luck with whatever you choose

tony

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It does make me wonder. Who are the boneheads where that decided to shutdown the Classic SETI and force everyone over to this dreadful BOINC rubbish? I only say it is rubbish because after being with “Classic” since 2000, never did I have any problems, I have had nothing but problems with BOINC version.

With all the problems that we are now having with BOINC – SETI, I too must wonder what happened to the beta testing… on the same line, what happed to the alpha. Did anyone think to test all the soft, firm and hardware? It looks more and more like a department of government in a “Banana Republic” that is undergoing a civil war is running this. Come on now. We have hearing for more than six months now, to switch over to BOINC; did no one check the code for potential bugs? It is worse than having to download and install umpteen patches and rebooting for each one, almost daily for Microsoft products for all the bugs and security problems they have or trying to get the X-box 360 to work without bugs and overheating.

I really hate to say this, but some on down there University California Berkley needs to do some real work, cause in the real world their heads would have rolled out the door as security tosses out the rest of their body and the personal items out on to the street. Something needs to be done for SETI@Home program or it will loss most, if not all of its support from those of us that are volunteering their systems and electricity to help in working on the data. Good luck in getting people back and getting new people if these problems don’t get fixed right quick and proper.

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For my part, in spite of my harsh advice earlier, I am being patient. Even though the workunit distribution has been disabled, I disabled new work retrieval for SETI. SETI finished processing its last work unit, so now what remains is a mountain of result uploads. I still have yet to see even one transmit since the 3rd. I tried suspending all but one of the SETI result uploads from the BOINC Work tab, thinking I could force BOINC to keep retrying just ONE until it succeeded, but that didn't stop the retries at all, which I think is thoroughly unintuitive. Why the heck is the "Suspend" function available for each separate work item, if not to actually DO something and do what's intuitive?

So, here I/we sit, work units depleted, result uploads retrying until they turn blue, waiting for the proverbial log-jam to clear so the river can run free and clear once more....

Mark

I have been a member for only a short time (28 Nov 05) and until this "problem" happened, I was able to upload my results with no problems. Now I have six (6) WU that I can't upload that are taking up disk space.

I would like to know if/when this will be corrected and everyone will be able to upload and not have problems.

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