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21) Message boards : Politics : The Israel and Palestine conflict - Part 2 (Message 1560368)
Posted 22 Aug 2014 by Profile Hev
"Israel has killed fewer people in Gaza than the number of rockets indiscriminately fired into the Israeli cities!"

What does this mean?
22) Message boards : Politics : The Israel and Palestine conflict - Part 2 (Message 1560356)
Posted 22 Aug 2014 by Profile Hev
And we know for a fact that Israel actively targets civilians.


Examples?

I think the 80% civilian casualty rate speaks volumes to this. And honestly, if you use 155mm Artillery to hit such small targets, you implicitly are trying to cause as much damage to the surrounding area and everyone who is still there.

They are not examples of directly targeting civilians.

Go find an example to support your claim or shut up.

And where is your balanced statement, when in the last few days Hamas has said it is deliberately targeting Tel Aviv airport.


Rather than going by the rhetoric, what people say, look at what they do. Look at the pictures and news reports from Gaza, look at the statistics and if you still can't condemn the massacre that Israel is inflicting on Gaza, what can I say?

Telling people to shut up is rude.
23) Message boards : Politics : The Israel and Palestine conflict - Part 2 (Message 1560135)
Posted 21 Aug 2014 by Profile Hev
Hamas admits to the kidknapping and killing of the three Israeli students that started this latest conflict.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israelgaza-conflict-hamas-official-admits-organisation-was-behind-kidnapping-of-teenagers-9682299.html


Claim by Saleh al-Arouri, a founder of Hamas's military wing, is doubted by experts and not supported by other Hamas sources
24) Message boards : Politics : The Israel and Palestine conflict (Message 1559448)
Posted 20 Aug 2014 by Profile Hev
Here is another connection between Missouri and Gaza.

Having lost the argument:

They are slipping into silliness and irrelevance.

I don't understand what you mean Clyde. Who are they and what is the silliness and irrelevance?
25) Message boards : Politics : The Israel and Palestine conflict (Message 1559314)
Posted 20 Aug 2014 by Profile Hev
Here is another connection between Missouri and Gaza. People in Gaza are showing solidarity by tweeting to the people of Ferguson on how to deal with tear gas.

gaza strip tweets ferguson about how to deal with tear gas

Another: Israel trained police "occupy" Missouri after killing black youth
26) Message boards : Politics : I hope that this cop gets to feel the full force of the law. (Message 1559032)
Posted 19 Aug 2014 by Profile Hev
You seem to be completely unaware that black people are often treated totally differently by the police than white people.

often not equal to always, so why are you assuming that there was racism? are you perpetuating a stereotype?

You really don't get it, do you?
27) Message boards : Politics : May you live in Interesting Times - The new force of China? (Message 1557713)
Posted 16 Aug 2014 by Profile Hev
China dissident lawyer Gao Zhisheng 'destroyed by jail'

Leading Chinese dissident, Gao Zhisheng, has been "utterly destroyed" after three years in jail, says his international lawyer, Jared Gensher.

Mr Gao - who was released from prison last week - was emotionless, "basically unintelligible" and had lost teeth through malnutrition...




No comment should be needed...

I wonder what has happened to Ai Weiwei of late?


All in our only one world,
Martin


:( Thanks for the links Martin, even though they're very sad and disturbing :(

Ms He has urged the Chinese government to allow Mr Gao to seek treatment in the United States, where she and their two children have been living since 2009.

I do hope they will, but...

I had a friend from China who had come to Britain on an emergency visa as a 24year old after her sister and brother-in-law died in a car accident here. She'd left her two very young children behind with her husband. Her son was 6 weeks old and her daughter was 2. The plan was for her to return to China taking her sister's three children (all born in the UK) with her as there were no other relatives here. The Chinese government refused her right of re-entry with the children, because they were British and because she had "violated the one-child policy". She could not leave them behind. She always thought "in a few weeks they'll grant my appeal..." It never happened. On top of having huge problems with the immigration office here, for the next 20 years the Chinese authorities played with her head, for no reason other than they could, and when her sister's children were technically old enough that she could leave them here, it then became she could not return because she had become a naturalised British subject herself. Lan never saw her children again. She died three years ago :(


That's a really sad story anniet, how heartbreaking never to see your children again. Heartless and cruel.

Martin, also thanks for the links, but update on Ai Weiwei earlier this year..
an interview with ai weiwei
28) Message boards : Politics : The Israel and Palestine conflict (Message 1557640)
Posted 16 Aug 2014 by Profile Hev
"purported"
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/08/15/purported-letter-from-inside-gaza-tells-tunnel-toil-hamas-cruelty/
I'll take that one with a pinch of saltder.

Can the EU actually pull it off?
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/08/15/hamas-negotiators-in-qatar-to-discuss-israel-truce-proposal-with-group/


I'll take the tunnel letter with a pinch of salt I think. Especially as the article was illustrated with a photo of the latest tunnel under the Mexican border.

The EU proposal sounds interesting though.
29) Message boards : Politics : The Israel and Palestine conflict (Message 1557405)
Posted 15 Aug 2014 by Profile Hev
Meanwhile...pictures (aesthetic not bloody)

some lovely old photos of Palestinians in Palestine
30) Message boards : Politics : The Israel and Palestine conflict (Message 1556602)
Posted 14 Aug 2014 by Profile Hev
But what about the support Hamas must be getting, probably from Qatar in the UAE and possibly Turkey. Hamas cannot have or build arms without outside aid, and all the building materials for the tunnels doesn't come cheap. I read somewhere that the tunnels Israel destroyed probably cost ~$20 million.

And how much support does Israel need, quote from Wiki on Israels economy -
The economy of Israel is a market economy. As of 2012, Israel ranks 16th among 187 nations on the UN's Human Development Index, which places it in the category of "Very Highly Developed"


and it's citizen pay, almost an arm and a leg to import some goods, import duty on new car is 120% on value at import port, and it must be of very specific standards.


Your last paragraph is quite Freudian because all I've seen in the news the last few weeks is arms, legs, a multitude of body parts from the slaughtered civilians of Gaza.
31) Message boards : Politics : The Israel and Palestine conflict (Message 1556388)
Posted 13 Aug 2014 by Profile Hev
Do you have an answer?
Encourage a religion that shows a better way for all.Why a religion at all?


People need a 'religion', something to believe in, something that gives them 'hope'.

No they don't, or shouldn't. At least I thought we, humans, were well beyond the age of mysticism! If not, then the killing will continue unabated.


Agree Gary. I feel that humans should concentrate on the world that actually exists to make it a better place for all human beings instead of investing in some magical place somewhere else.
32) Message boards : Politics : The Israel and Palestine conflict (Message 1556385)
Posted 13 Aug 2014 by Profile Hev
This isn't going to help, BBC, Breaking News - Gaza rocket 'launched on Israel'

Rocket fired from Gaza lands in southern Israel hours before the expiry of three-day ceasefire, police say

More to follow.


Israeli police says Hamas did.
Hamas says it didn't.

Hamas says it will extend the ceasefire

CBC news
33) Message boards : Politics : The Israel and Palestine conflict (Message 1556110)
Posted 13 Aug 2014 by Profile Hev
A thoughtful interview with Israeli sociologist Eva Illouz in Der Spiegel a few days ago. Perhaps this might help in trying to gain some insight into the Israeli psyche.

"Illouz: Where you see human beings, Israelis see enemies. In front of enemies, you close ranks, you unite in fear for your life, and you do not ponder about the fragility of the other. Israel has a split, schizophrenic self-awareness: It cultivates its strength and yet cannot stop seeing itself as weak and threatened."

The Real Danger to Israel Comes from Within
34) Message boards : Politics : The Israel and Palestine conflict (Message 1554461)
Posted 10 Aug 2014 by Profile Hev
Tariq Ali, writer and journalist, speaking at the mass rally for Gaza in Hyde Park, London today.

"There is a basic point that has to be made to our politicians. They have to understand that there is no equivalence betweeen the Palestinian resistance and the Israeli occupation. When a country is occupied, resistance emerges. If you want no rockets being fired, no tunnels being dug, get out of Gaza."

Succinct.
35) Message boards : Politics : The Israel and Palestine conflict (Message 1554090)
Posted 9 Aug 2014 by Profile Hev
Just thought I'd slip this in here somewhere. Pertains to "us and them".

othering-101: what is "othering"?
36) Message boards : Politics : The Israel and Palestine conflict (Message 1554048)
Posted 9 Aug 2014 by Profile Hev
Still on some of the thoughts comparing South Africa and Israel, here is the latest from Noam Chomsky in an interview with Amy Goodman of Democracy Now.

"Part 2 of our conversation with famed linguist and political dissident Noam Chomsky on the crisis in Gaza, U.S. support for Israel, apartheid and the BDS movement. "In the Occupied Territories, what Israel is doing is much worse than apartheid," Chomsky says. "To call it apartheid is a gift to Israel, at least if by 'apartheid' you mean South African-style apartheid. What’s happening in the Occupied Territories is much worse. There’s a crucial difference. The South African Nationalists needed the black population. That was their workforce. … The Israeli relationship to the Palestinians in the Occupied Territories is totally different. They just don’t want them. They want them out, or at least in prison."

Israel's Actions in Palestine are "Much Worse than Apartheid" in South Africa

For those with some intellectual curiosity surrounding the complex relationship between Israel and Palestine this is well worth listening to.
37) Message boards : Politics : The Israel and Palestine conflict (Message 1554004)
Posted 8 Aug 2014 by Profile Hev
Oh dear... my head is spinning with posts... and I STILL haven't caught up with ones dating from when I was so firmly muzzled... but this one from John Neale...

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

My country is now ruled by the African National Congress (ANC), which is an alliance with, among others, the South African Communist Party.

The global icon of the 20th century, Nelson Mandela, was once regarded by many in the western world as a terrorist, including Great Britain and the United States. In the USA, this continued long after Mandela's release from prison, and even long after he became the first president of the democratic South Africa.

So be careful with labels. They come unstuck.

More on topic: how did the ANC progress from terrorist organisation to ruling party? Well, maybe Benjamin Netanyahu should have a chat with FW de Klerk and ask him what he did.


... I absolutely endorse... :) and weren't the South African population (both the oppressed and their former oppressors) amazing! :) I was so proud of them all!! :)

(off for another rummage in the thread now... bye!)


I'm still working on your previous post anniet. I didn't know about the South Africans who settled in Israel and their connection to the IDF. Some people are making comparisons between Gaza and a Bantustan.

Gaza is a Bantustan

But I also need to do more digging and that does take time.
38) Message boards : Politics : The Israel and Palestine conflict (Message 1553167)
Posted 7 Aug 2014 by Profile Hev
Nothing wrong with pinkos and commies Clyde.
39) Message boards : Politics : The Israel and Palestine conflict (Message 1552133)
Posted 4 Aug 2014 by Profile Hev
Latest article from Chris Hedges, American journalist and a member of the New York Times team that won the Pulitzer Price in 2002.

"George Orwell in his novel “Nineteen Eighty-Four” called this form of propaganda doublethink. Doublethink uses “logic against logic” and “repudiate[s] morality while laying claim to it.” The Big Lie does not allow for the nuances and contradictions that can plague conscience. It is a state-orchestrated response to the dilemma of cognitive dissonance. The Big Lie permits no gray zones. The world is black and white, good and evil, righteous and unrighteous. The Big Lie allows believers to take comfort—a comfort they are desperately seeking—in their own moral superiority at the very moment they have abrogated all morality."

In this article he states that neither he nor any journalist he knows has seen any evidence that Hamas uses civilians as human shields.
He is also a socialist.

Why Israel Lies

And he is just a journalist. He can say what ever his heart desires for the world to belive or not belive.
Im sure if your country was getting a damn missle attack all the time, You would want it to stop.
I think both sides are being stupid. And I think the rest of the world should take a HELL of a lot of that blame for not finding a solution.


Funny you should say that. I lived in London UK during the IRA bombing campaign but not once did I ever think that the government should go and flatten the people of Ireland.
40) Message boards : Politics : The Israel and Palestine conflict (Message 1552128)
Posted 4 Aug 2014 by Profile Hev
Latest article from Chris Hedges, American journalist and a member of the New York Times team that won the Pulitzer Price in 2002.

"George Orwell in his novel “Nineteen Eighty-Four” called this form of propaganda doublethink. Doublethink uses “logic against logic” and “repudiate[s] morality while laying claim to it.” The Big Lie does not allow for the nuances and contradictions that can plague conscience. It is a state-orchestrated response to the dilemma of cognitive dissonance. The Big Lie permits no gray zones. The world is black and white, good and evil, righteous and unrighteous. The Big Lie allows believers to take comfort—a comfort they are desperately seeking—in their own moral superiority at the very moment they have abrogated all morality."

In this article he states that neither he nor any journalist he knows has seen any evidence that Hamas uses civilians as human shields.
He is also a socialist.

Why Israel Lies


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