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21) Message boards : Number crunching : not able to add Seti@home to my BOINC (Message 1783494)
Posted 7 days ago by Profile HAL9000
That makes perfect sense - by default a firewall should prevent programs access the outside world.

And the default firewall setting it to notify users that a program needs accesses and add it if they wish.
22) Message boards : Number crunching : Task Preference Not Being Honored (Message 1783491)
Posted 7 days ago by Profile HAL9000
I have the exact same preferences and aside from some messages about no work when there are only vlar, no problems really to fill my cache. So it does work.

Perhaps the feeder was just empty or filled with VLARs for all of their previous requests.
23) Message boards : Number crunching : not able to add Seti@home to my BOINC (Message 1783291)
Posted 7 days ago by Profile HAL9000
2016-04-28 8:36:46 AM | | Fetching configuration file from
2016-04-28 8:36:58 AM | | Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site
2016-04-28 8:37:00 AM | | Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down.

I have been trying for weeks! any thoughts?

Can you open that page on the machine that is reporting the message?

If not does open on that machine?
24) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1783106)
Posted 8 days ago by Profile HAL9000

Every now and then I will get a robocall, but since I have my number registered with I just report the number when I do get one.

You do know that there are some call centers that purchase the do not call list as a list of numbers to call. Mostly the ones that are offshore and thus don't have to obey the list.

Of course they do. It's they same thing teens did in the 90's with the apps that blocked the "naughty sites". Where they would d/l the software to get a list of sites to go to.
The legitimate call centers are normally not the problem anyway, but the last call I revived was from one. Last year there was some kind of vote going on regarding something with electric utility providers. However I didn't have a clue about the issue as my mobile number is from a state where I have not lived in over 10 years. Mobile lines, unlike land lines, are not permitted to have political robocalls.
When I still had a land line I would answer calls that had no Caller ID info like a business. "Thank you for calling XYZ corp. How may I direct your call?" The phone system had different voicemail boxes. So I had my sister record a greeting directing callers to "Press 1 for dept A, 2 for dept B" and so on. It resulted in some rather amusing messages, My favorite was someone calling about a job because their cousin worked there.
25) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (Message 1783060)
Posted 8 days ago by Profile HAL9000

Every now and then I will get a robocall, but since I have my number registered with I just report the number when I do get one.
26) Message boards : Number crunching : Bitcoin Utopia (Message 1782821)
Posted 9 days ago by Profile HAL9000
I think I mentioned it on the BCU fora after the first SETI@home campaign ended.
I thought it would be nice to have either a yearly or quarterly SETI@home campaign going.
I'm not sure why there hasn't been other one since the first. It could be lack of time for the admins to manage whatever is required for a BCU campaign, or it could be a political issue from the campus.
27) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Help (Message 1782819)
Posted 9 days ago by Profile HAL9000
Does anyone know if there is a way to prevent Astropulse from running on the cpu and only run on the gpu?



. . I am only a rank beginner but if you run Lunatics and in the setup select Astropulse only for the GPU and not in the CPU section that should do it. Otherwise there is the app_config.xml or app_info.xml files. I have been warned not to fiddle with app_info.xml unless you are very sure of what you are doing, so app_config.xml might be your best bet.

. . HAL 9000 kindly provided this example :

Here are some examples of app_config.xml settings.
Running 1 task per GPU & reserving 1 CPU core per GPU task.
For a system with 1 GPUs: 1 GPU tasks would run & 1 CPU cores would be reserved.
For a system with 2 GPUs: 2 GPU tasks would run & 2 CPU cores would be reserved.

. . These are for the GPU tasks but I think if you use the



. . as brackets it will relate to what the CPU handles. But use the application name for the Astropulse not Seti@homeV8

. . Something like this ....


. . If I have that wrong hopefully somebody will correct me.

You might want to have a look at the app_config.xml documentation again. <cpu_versions> is not a valid option.

The easiest way to select which apps run on specific devices is to select them in the lunatics installer.

If Astropulse is unchecked while selecting CPU apps then an app_info.xml will be built without a CPU Astropulse app. The same goes for GPU apps. Select everything you want the device to run.
In the image I provided only AP was selected for the GPUs. If you wish to run MB apps on the GPU then you would need to select MB & AP applications for the GPU. As the installer is going to build a new app_info.xml instead of modifying your current one.
28) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (102) Server Problems? (Message 1782678)
Posted 10 days ago by Profile HAL9000
I looked at your last AP and it shows the clock rate as 1019, which is about where it should be. I then went to the same time frame as that AP and found the cuda tasks around a "normal" clock rate. Looking ahead and backwards from that point it appears that when the machine is restarted it uses a Different clock rate. It will use that rate until it is again restarted. I looked at other 780s and noticed their rate was pretty consistent. So, the question is what is changing your clock rate after a reboot?

Looking as far back as possible it seems it was working fine with Version 8 CUDA;
Received 29 Feb 2016, 16:04:27 UTC, GPU current clockRate = 1123 MHz
1123/24 seems to be a consistent rate on a few machines.
This is where the trouble begins, Received 19 Apr 2016, 3:23:31 UTC, GPU current clockRate = 1215 MHz
That task began as 1123 and after a restart it was 1215.
It continued as 1215 until it was restarted here at 1097;
Received 21 Apr 2016, 19:35:13 UTC, GPU current clockRate = 1097 MHz
Then it worked fine until it was restarted here,
Until the next restart it was bad news while clocked at 1201,
Here it was restarted at 1136,

now here is something i can go on ....
Indeed it is quiet weird why it would do that ...i wonder if precision is going heywire ... i checked everything kboost oberboost overvoltage etc everything is off and at default exept the fan it is running at 100% i'm gonna reboot it a couple times and see if that changes it and actually do a couple turn on then shutdown pull power from it and reinstall a clean driver

The early titan cards are based on the 780 chip so i bet if you get a good one you could ...gotta look at the asic

Based on the figures others have posted & what I am seeing with my 750 ti FTW running well over the spec'd clock rate. I would have to guess that EVGA has not implemented a clock cap for the boost. Likely only being throttled by thermal and voltage limits.
While my 750ti FTW is running at 1345MHz GPUz reports "GPU performance is being limited due to insufficient voltage". If you have a tool that allows you to adjust the voltage you could try lowering it until the clock is closer to the value in the specs.
29) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Help (Message 1782669)
Posted 10 days ago by Profile HAL9000
I read the manual, they made a setup GUI since I installed it.

There are 2 important files:

remote_hosts.cfg .... put in the IP of the computer(s) you want to allow control

gui_rpc_auth.cofig .... put in a password

EDIT: and restart BOINC

For LAN connections I use the cc_config.xml option <allow_remote_gui_rpc> rather than using the remote_hosts.cfg.
30) Message boards : Number crunching : Average Credit Decreasing? (Message 1782427)
Posted 10 days ago by Profile HAL9000
Seems like over the last couple of days, my RAC has stabilized (on one machine) and even increased for two days (on the other), after falling for several days on both.

Is this just a fluke, or is the worst over?

I predict oscillation with work mix, around +/- 37% of some approximate midpoint. As oscillation instabilities work, some hosts will stay on the low side, and others stay on the high side of that, 5% in each end case never crossing the middle over extended periods, and the other 90% of us flopping around.

Prior to v8 & GBT work I a RAC oscillation of +/- 25-30% was not uncommon on some of my machines. The CPU only machines had a tendency to wiggle the least.
31) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (102) Server Problems? (Message 1782409)
Posted 11 days ago by Profile HAL9000
It appears that the boys in the lab have done something to prevent downloads of (Nvidia) GPU WUs. If not all, then at least the GB ones and there are none available from Arecibo. Downloads have been working normal for me so I do not think I have done anything to prevent them from downloading. I have currently 100 CPU WUs in progress but only 80 GPU WUs despite asking for them.

Edit: Guess I called a "no hitter". Just received a couple of guppi GPU WUs. Not sure why they do not seem to be available in quantity though.

As we know VLAR tasks are not sent to GPUs. GBT data is expected to be mostly VLARs. If we are on a data sets from Arecibo that generate mostly VLARs as well. Then there will be few tasks for GPUs.
32) Message boards : Number crunching : Something's happenin' here, what it is ain't exactly clear.. (Message 1782250)
Posted 11 days ago by Profile HAL9000
Gotcha, crunching away! Thanks for the quick reply.

We don't know what tasks are overflows until we try to crunch them. At least they go quickly.
33) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (102) Server Problems? (Message 1782245)
Posted 11 days ago by Profile HAL9000
All i can tell you is that none of the cards are overclocked they all on default

Something's odd then.

The defaults for the reference GTX780 are
Base clock: 863MHz
Boost clock: 900 MHz

The EVGA 780 SC being a factory overclock are
Base Clock: 967 MHZ
Boost Clock: 1020 MHz

So something has boosted your clock speed if it is running at 1201 MHz
PrecisionX settings? PCIe bus overclock?

Beaten by TBar.
What does GPUz have to say?

The GTX 750 Ti FTW I have does some kind of self overclocking. It is meant to run at 1189MHz and have a boost of 1268MHz. However once the SETI@home app starts it clocks up from 300MHz to 1189MHz. Then a few seconds later goes to 1345MHz and stays there. Since it hasn't spit out any errors yet I haven't worried about it.

The host is a new install of Win7 & only has BOINC, the Nvidia driver, & monitoring apps, like CPUz/GPUz, on it
34) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (102) Server Problems? (Message 1782105)
Posted 11 days ago by Profile HAL9000
Yea my overflows have definitely increased significantly :(

I would rather be re-crunching the 2010 MB data than proving that the GBT data process needs work.

I would say to limit 1 GBT file at a time until they figure the problems out, because it really looks like we will have to re-crunch them again.

Well, either the *MESSIER031* tasks are broken, or they have found a radio transmission from a very old rock consert, from some planet in the Andromeda galaxy :-)

These *MESSIER031* tasks are truly noisy as a rock concert.

The nature of the data we see from GBT could be much different from that we have typically seen from Arecibo.

It could be that something is causing the applications to trip up & consider the data to be noisy.
Or we might be looking at data from pulsar observations.

Out of the tasks I am seeing on my 750ti about 2/3 result in an overflow. Is that a lot? I don't know. ¯\_(º¿º)_/¯ Many of them are coming up valid against stock CPU apps & not just other GPU apps. So that gives me a feeling that they are legitimate overflows. Unless as I said there is an error in the apps, but I feel something that major would likely have been found at Beta.
35) Message boards : Number crunching : Average Credit Decreasing? (Message 1781950)
Posted 12 days ago by Profile HAL9000
Dr. Anderson USUSALLY only responds when you can prove that one plus one does NOT any longer equal two plus or minus ten digits either way.
The outcome creditwise usually does not concern him much because credits are not a scientific matter, and are naturally not part of his response curve.
So somebody complaining that credits....HIS credit system....are broken naturally just slide off of his back into nowhere land.

It has to take a LANDSLIDE of massively wrong (or correct, in this case) information to sway the man one way or another.
We all have to continue to speak up for justice in this matter until the ship is righted.


One issue that software faces is how people perceive how it should work. Even if CreditNew is working 100% as designed it is perceived as broken.
As credit is a means to determine performance, or contribution, to a project it seems counter intuitive to me for that to be highly variable. If I configure a machine to run a project a fixed amount of time a day. It would be 1 hour a day or 24/7. It makes logical sense that it should be contributing a fairly constant amount of processing power and by extension generate a fairly constant credit value.
It make it hard to figure out what is going on when the reference isn't a consistent value.
36) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU WU crunching (Message 1781581)
Posted 13 days ago by Profile HAL9000
Forget about Core(TM)2 procs...they don't have intelHD!

write which intelHD xxxx you have in i3 or i5 proc?!

The i3-2350M has Intel HD Graphics 3000. As I mentioned earlier in this thread it is to old to support OpenCL.
37) Message boards : Number crunching : Average Credit Decreasing? (Message 1781580)
Posted 13 days ago by Profile HAL9000
If that happens, then will we get credit for not crunching?? lol..

As much as I love the project and crunch hard for it, I am not completely sure if there was not SOME recognition given what would happen.


I would trade all my Cobblestones for cleaned up adaptive estimates. That would give me a reliable way to monitor and compare machines, apps, devices, users, etc, and clean up the forums a lot, lol

I would give a lot to see the Boinc credit system somehow equalized amongst all Boinc projects, thereby forcing users to select their project based upon the project's merit, and not based upon the number of credits they can crow about.
I realize that given the different nature of work issued by different projects, this would be extremely difficult, if not impossible.
But stopping some projects from issuing credits at their whim might find them less interesting to the credit whore crunchers. And maybe some of the more scientifically significant ones, such as Seti, would see a rise in popularity.

Out of all the projects I have crunched for it seems most of them go with a fixed amount of credit for their tasks. Those projects also tend to have rather uniform work as well.
Some projects also seem to utilize the processing hardware more than others. So having an adjusted credit value to reflect that seems appropriate. As they are getting more work done. But when I see I can use a single GPU on a project and see it, in a single day, generate 24,000, 600,000, or 5,000,000 credit on different projects. Then something defiantly seems wonky.
38) Message boards : Number crunching : Average Credit Decreasing? (Message 1781575)
Posted 13 days ago by Profile HAL9000
Negative credit is not far away now. The more we crunch the less credit we will get. Each day crunching will take away credit from our total credit :-)

CreditNew what a wonderful invention.

Actually we already had negative credit granted when CreditNew first rolled out.
39) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics Help (Message 1780813)
Posted 15 days ago by Profile HAL9000
I don't see the details of processing portion of the debug as indicated in the cc_config.xml notes.

I'd parse that at "Show details of (processing and network) suspend/resume.", but I'd agree processing is missing - and that's the one we wanted.

I remember there being some discussion about NCI projects in the mailing lists, and I think that there was an eventual decision that they should continue even if notionally suspended. Not a big deal either way.

Certainly seems like we have some digging to do. For the record, which BOINC version is running on the host you were testing - you have several different ones in play.

There isn't a lot to parse from that output. Just [suspend] net_susp: no; file_xfer_susp: no; reason: unknown reason every second.

I could see requesting work while processing activity is suspended in order to fill the cache to be acceptable.

That was done with 7.6.23 on host 5837483. Also, for clarity, it is the boinc_7.6.23_windows_x86_64.exe release on the BOINC dl site rather than Ageless's 7.6.23.r build. Looks like I switched from 7.6.23.r to 7.6.23 on March 5th.

There is a flag <dont_suspend_nci>. Which indicates BOINC should allow NCI tasks to keep running in most cases. However when enabling <dont_suspend_nci> I have not found any of those cases where the NCI tasks continue to run. Since I am only running NCI tasks on one host with 7.6.23 I haven't worried to much about it.
40) Message boards : Number crunching : Can Seti@home keep up with Breakthrough Listen data? (Message 1780789)
Posted 15 days ago by Profile HAL9000
Original recordings should be kept even after processing.
For few different reasons.

They seem to have some kind of archive for the data sets. Isn't that were they pull the old data sets from when we do some reprocessing?

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