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21) Message boards : Politics : Je suis Varoufakis :) (Message 1708870)
Posted 24 days ago by Profile Alex Storey
@Alex, haven't you realised it yet?

Whenever valid points/issues are raised that stumps the opposition, they home in on a particular word/fact/statement & attempt to divert the discussion.


Yes of course:) And I know this isn't supposed to happen on the internet but I'm actually trying to help Michiel out:)

For 2 reasons:
a) I have seen him change his mind when he understands something.
b) Now that I know he's younger than me my patience has grown exponentially.

But not infinitely:)


After all, the serfs are there to serve them, right?


Yes! Since time immemorial! But the problem is that there IS such a thing as going too far. And if enough serfs feel that way then things reach a tipping point and get real nasty real fast.
22) Message boards : Politics : Je suis Varoufakis :) (Message 1708849)
Posted 24 days ago by Profile Alex Storey
Again, I understand what you are trying to do, but its not logical. Its a nice rhetoric trick, a debating tactic but little else.


Neither a rhetoric trick, nor a debating tactic (technically you could call it a tactic but strictly speaking, I wouldn't call logical reasoning a "tactic").

And you're gonna hate me for saying this (but I promise to bring it back round in a later post, just trust me instead of trying to bite my head off)...

It is quite logical.

The problem (I'm guessing) is that you are still looking at it like a argumentative fallacy, instead of looking at it like reasoning. And that's the whole point of this stupid little exercise which we have managed to blow way out of proportion.

If it was a straightforward reasoning sentence it would look like this:

Wiki's example
"When it rains, the grass gets wet. The grass is wet. Therefore, it might have rained."

My example
"Alex is acting like an idiot. All psychopaths will act like an idiot because of their psychopathy. Therefor, Alex might be a psychopath."

(And if I wanted to corner you in the corner you THINK I'm trying to corner you, that's the example I would have used)

But you cannot say:
-ALL politicians will act like idiots because they are politicians.
-ALL idiots are ignorant about economics because they are idiots.

or worse:
-ALL psychopaths wear blue ties because they are psychopaths.

Please let me know if we see eye to eye so far.
23) Message boards : Politics : Je suis Varoufakis :) (Message 1708814)
Posted 24 days ago by Profile Alex Storey
Have you understood the logical reasoning example?

If you have, I would like to (finally) go on to explain why I think it is important.
24) Message boards : Politics : Je suis Varoufakis :) (Message 1708653)
Posted 25 days ago by Profile Alex Storey
...so you won't mind me calling Schoebbels a stupid drunk.


No that's Juncker! Our glorious unelected president ;)
25) Message boards : Politics : Je suis Varoufakis :) (Message 1708612)
Posted 25 days ago by Profile Alex Storey
How did you two manage to get trolled by a simple question of logical reasoning?

Which of these statements do you consider to be true?
Alex is acting like an idiot. Therefor he is an idiot.
Alex is acting like an idiot. Therefor he could be a psychopath.

OR

Which of these statements do you consider to be true?
Alex is acting like an idiot. Therefor he is an idiot.
Alex is acting like an idiot. Therefor he could have quit smoking.

BUT NOT

Which of these statements do you consider to be true?
Alex is acting like an idiot. Therefor he is an idiot.
Alex is acting like an idiot. Therefor he could be wearing a blue tie.
26) Message boards : Politics : Je suis Varoufakis :) (Message 1708248)
Posted 26 days ago by Profile Alex Storey
Whoa! Touchy, touchy!! Deep breaths Michiel, deep breaths!!! You're reading waaaaay too much into this :)

Your arguments are tripping up your logic.

You are forgetting about effect and cause :)

One can act like a jerk (if for no other reason than) BECAUSE he is a psychopath.
One will not wear a blue tie BECAUSE he is a psychopath.

Let me rewrite the True or False to help you out:
Can psychopaths sometimes act like idiots BECAUSE they are psychopaths?
-True
-False

Then you also tried to create a false dichotomy...

Not me, the IQ guys :)

It tries to force me into accepting your idea that Schäuble...

No you idiot, I'm not trying to corner you... I'm trying to teach a trick :) I'm trying to help you out a little bit. Anyone else here ever offer?

And when you've calmed down I'll explain WHY it's a good trick and why I think you'll find it useful.

Stop trying to guess my intentions and especially stop trying to tell me what "I really meant to say" because you are bad at both and it's annoying the hell out of me!:)
27) Message boards : Politics : Je suis Varoufakis :) (Message 1708145)
Posted 26 days ago by Profile Alex Storey
Lesson #2

Another easy one.

Being argumentative is good, but a bit of simple logic is needed before you respond. If you've ever sat through a long IQ test then you'll recognize this immediately:

Which of these statements do you consider to be true?
Schäuble is acting like an idiot. Therefor he is an idiot.
Schäuble is acting like an idiot. Therefor he could be a psychopath.

I'm hoping you (all) picked "Schäuble could be a psychopath" :)

Very simple, very effective, very important, extremely valuable, and best of all very easy to master.

Are you serious? You call that 'simple logic'? If anything thats a perfect example of a logical fallacy.

'Schäuble is acting like an idiot. Therefor he could be a Martian.'
'Schäuble is acting like an idiot. Therefor he could be the color green'
'Schäuble is acting like an idiot. Therefor he could be a rabbit.'

Those are equally 'logical' inferences derived from the statement 'Schäuble is acting like an idiot.'

You pretend that B logically follows from A even though there is nothing to support that notion.


Wow. I've seen you make this mistake many times before and that's why I considered it a valuable lesson (not to mention one I'm pretty sure you already know, I just wanted to bring it to your attention again). But I wasn't expecting you to not understand THIS example which is just to say that you took me be surprise and I've lost my footing.

Let's start from me. Fallacies were fun to learn and if you argue with someone long enough, helpful to piece together what kind of person you are talking to (but not enough; you need many more pieces to complete that puzzle). I was never really impressed though, probably because I was the weirdo kid that got extremely frustrated at an "ad hominem" (for example) looong before I ever found out there was a word for it:) But nowadays I DO like a couple that make it easier to put someone on my mental blacklist. Strawman arguments can get somebody on there but there's nothing like a well executed red herring to get anybody on there immediately:)

(more on this in Lesson #4)

Now on to you Michiel. It's obvious (to me) that you are going through a phase of perfecting your argumentative fallacies. It is a rare talent to possess and you are doing it extremely well. And no, that's NOT sarcasm:)

But when I said:
Being argumentative is good, but a bit of simple logic is needed before you respond.


That's my laconic and lazy (well not lazy, just extremely physically tired at the end of the day, these days) way of saying most of the above plus this next paragraph...

On rare occasions I've caught you forgetting to use logic before going into an argument. I know you have it and I know you are more than intelligent enough to be able to use it. I wish I could tell why on occasion you don't but unfortunately I haven't figured that out yet. My best guess is that sometimes you're in a hurry to respond and gloss over the process.

OK so long intro's over and on to our exercise.

Like I said it's a question from an IQ test. And it's a trap. Sorta.

By making the brain focus on the word TRUE in the first sentence it makes it harder to focus on the word COULD in the third.

It is designed to LOOK like an argument but in reality it's also a combo question. In other words it's not a straightforward argument. Questions like these are designed to see if you know (in this case) that psychopaths are capable of acting like jerks and THEN look for argumentative fallacies. So technically I guess you could call it a bit of a trick question. Because the "wrapper" is designed to throw you off and rack your brain. Otherwise the same question could have much more easily been wrapped in a True or False (but that's not the point of the exercise). Example:

Can psychopaths sometimes act like idiots?
-True
-False

Or to use your own example (remixed) and make it obvious why it is incorrect we can use a Multiple Choice wrapper (but, again, that's not the point of the exercise):

-Schäuble is acting like an idiot. Which of the following is likelier to be true:

a) He is a Martian
b) He is the color green
c) He is a rabbit
d) He is a psychopath

:)
28) Message boards : Politics : Je suis Varoufakis :) (Message 1707878)
Posted 27 days ago by Profile Alex Storey
Lesson #2

Another easy one.

Being argumentative is good, but a bit of simple logic is needed before you respond. If you've ever sat through a long IQ test then you'll recognize this immediately:

Which of these statements do you consider to be true?
Schäuble is acting like an idiot. Therefor he is an idiot.
Schäuble is acting like an idiot. Therefor he could be a psychopath.

I'm hoping you (all) picked "Schäuble could be a psychopath" :)

Very simple, very effective, very important, extremely valuable, and best of all very easy to master.
29) Message boards : Politics : Je suis Varoufakis :) (Message 1707869)
Posted 27 days ago by Profile Alex Storey
Alright then!

I've been trying to figure out for a while now why you kept rubbing me the wrong way and even a few days ago I was thinking:

"Is he one of those weirdos that doesn't drink?"
"Is he a she? I never thought to ask..."

But then you said:

Look, I love talking with people face to face over a glass of beer as much as the next guy...


So both those theories got shot down in half a sentence:)

For the life I couldn't add up some of the things you were saying to me. Like talking to two different people... it was driving me crazy. But now I know:

It was your age:)
You're 25ish!

Hi I'm Alex and have officially turned 40 recently. And no, this isn't going to be one of those "you're too young to understand". It's going to be worse:)

It's going to be one of those "Screw that psychopath Schäuble, I've got more important pointers for you kiddo!"

So let's see if we can't find that forest and forget about the tree for a minute.

Lesson #1

Rather than have a discussion, it would turn into a lecture where you are constantly schooling me on the various terms I don't recognize or understand, just to get me to a level so I can understand your argument. And then I would still not be able to respond to your argument all that much. I would be at a constant information disadvantage and the discussion would be extremely uneven in terms of valuable input.


This one is gonna be easy because I'm sure you already know deep down that that whole paragraph is pointless. A monologue can be a fantastic source of information. Or think of it this way: most documentaries are essentially monologues. Yeah ok, so if it's some guy you never met in a pub blabbing about a subject you have no idea about then yes, you'll have no way of knowing if the information is any good. That's OK. You'll check it out later.

There's no real need to answer to every single sentence coming out of someone else's mouth:)

It's not a race.
30) Message boards : Politics : Je suis Varoufakis :) (Message 1707725)
Posted 27 days ago by Profile Alex Storey
"A Margaret Thatcher would have been a thousand times better as Europe's big kahuna right now, instead of the popular but catastrophically unintelligent Merkel we are stuck with."

Jeebers Alex, the impossible can be done, however miracles...


Not sure what you mean by that Sirius:) Care to elaborate?

Edit: is it a joke about raising people from the dead?:)
31) Message boards : Politics : Je suis Varoufakis :) (Message 1707719)
Posted 27 days ago by Profile Alex Storey
Alex, then let me just say this, if its so difficult to prove that someone is an actual psychopath (and I know exactly what a psychopath is) then perhaps you shouldn't make the claim. And like I said, you don't have to call someone a psychopath (or a Nazi/Fascist for that matter) to make it clear that you disagree with the person.


Michiel, you've made me a very happy man today and I'll try to explain why in about 5 different posts over the next few days. Hopefully I'll be able to get a couple of those done tonight.

(Whereas over beer it would probably take me just 10-20 minutes tops to do all 5 points)
32) Message boards : Politics : Je suis Varoufakis :) (Message 1707715)
Posted 27 days ago by Profile Alex Storey
Alex, then let me just say this, if its so difficult to prove that someone is an actual psychopath (and I know exactly what a psychopath is) then perhaps you shouldn't make the claim. And like I said, you don't have to call someone a psychopath (or a Nazi/Fascist for that matter) to make it clear that you disagree with the person.

And if one disagrees with Left Wing 'Solutions': They are accused of being Right Wing.

Agree?


No. I need to stop you right there. That's not what's going on. You forgot the part where I said I am apolitical. It is unwise to assume I am not, just because your above statement is true MOST of the time.

Sirius is correct with his "If it walks like a duck...".

So let me try and dispel this leftie illusion you've got. I am going to make a statement, I am going to mean it, and I'm going to bet that 10 years down the road I'll tell you the exact same thing (mostly because I know full well WHY I'm saying it). Here we go:

"A Margaret Thatcher would have been a thousand times better as Europe's big kahuna right now, instead of the popular but catastrophically unintelligent Merkel we are stuck with."
33) Message boards : Politics : Je suis Varoufakis :) (Message 1707543)
Posted 27 days ago by Profile Alex Storey
My answer is still no. For a number of reasons. Here are just a few:

1) The main reason (and it's a non-starter): The sheer volume of work it would be.

Look a few posts further up at the Wolfgang Schäuble interview. The wall of text that looks like:

Lie
Lie
Lie

Now look how long that is. Think how long it took me to put it together. Now imagine it would take a couple or more paragraphs to explain each lie. I could maybe do it in a week. If I wanted to do it with references and quotes and links then lets say a month (because I don't have a lot of time set aside for the Forums). So yes it's doable, yes it would be informative... but it ain't gonna happen. Why? Well because you haven't thought this through, have you?:)

Even if every single paragraph is to your satisfaction (which we both know is impossible anyway) and by some miracle you agree with everything... What have we established? Well we've established that Wolfgang Schäuble is a Pathological Liar. Great. Now only 39 more points on the checklist:) Well, realistically about 20 more that I'd be willing to go into.

2) Just because the way I did it is a summary, that doesn't mean it's COMPLETELY useless. It is useful for:

a)Entertainment. If you already know why one of these is a lie then the post could be mildly amusing.
b)Motivation. I'm claiming a bunch of statements are lies. If anyone is interested in any particular point on there then they can wander the internet and see if they think I got it right. If they think I haven't then they can choose to ignore my opinions after that, or come back here and rub it in my face, or... whatever. If they think I got it right though then next time I make an accusation or statement that interests them then they'll be happy to run off and check. Like when you said some Dutch guy was a weirdo. You may remember I said something like "Thanx, I'll look into it" and not "Hand in your homework and explain yourself!".
c)Curiosity. Anyone could have lifted a single line out of that wall-of-text and asked, "Hey Alex, why is THIS a lie?". And I'd probably be happy to answer.

3) You do not understand what a psychopath is. Another non-starter.



TL;DR

If your question is going to take me more than a few paragraphs to answer well then sorry, I'm just not that good at internet speak. But face-to-face I answer such questions a lot faster. And I'll be watching body language like a hawk to see where someone disagrees, what they don't understand, what they already know etc. Impossible to do with virtual ink.
34) Message boards : Politics : 7: The Torch is Lit (Message 1707162)
Posted 29 days ago by Profile Alex Storey
What a mess.

& it's only going to get much worse :-(


I realize that too more and more every day :(
35) Message boards : Politics : 7: The Torch is Lit (Message 1707157)
Posted 29 days ago by Profile Alex Storey
Fantastic post! Nick sure knows his stuff :)

I sure hope he's wrong about the hyperinflation part. It would be ironic too because that's exactly what Germany fears most. It's their worst nightmare. But they DO want a cheap Euro and, coincidently, that's exactly what we have. If there's only 1 reason why Germany is staying in the EZ... well that's it.

My biggest problem these past few weeks is this realization:

But even after two world wars we still give power
hungry, wealthy hungry individuals the freedom to gain positions of influence
far in excess of that which they should be entitled to.


I had no idea. It's embarrassing to admit, but I honestly hadn't a clue. I thought this cliché was reserved for the US and that "Europe" was somehow wiser... Instead it appears to be far, far worse than anything the US has ever been accused of. And boy, do I feel like a fool :( That's what I get for not following politics I suppose.

And that's not even the worst part. It appears the whole continent has forgotten what the word "democratic" means. Hopefully it's just still in denial and will wake up to the fact sooner rather than later. I'm not holding my breath though.

What a mess.
36) Message boards : Politics : 7: The Torch is Lit (Message 1707024)
Posted 29 days ago by Profile Alex Storey
I bet this has already been mentioned here years ago, but I stumbled across it again and it bears repeating:

The secret of 3% finally revealed

28 September 2012

At a time when the countries of the Eurozone are presenting austerity budgets to ensure that public spending deficits do not exceed the 3% of GDP ceiling required for the single currency, Aujourd’hui en France reveals “the incredible story of the birth” of this limit. The daily has found “the man who, at the request of [former French president] François Mitterrand, hastily came up with the emblematic figure.”

Guy Abeille, age 62, a former senior Budget Ministry official and “the inventor of the concept, endlessly repeated by all governments whether of the right or the left, that the public deficit should not exceed 3% of the national wealth,” told the newspaper –

"We came up with the 3% figure in less than an hour. It was a back of an envelope calculation, without any theoretical reflection. Mitterrand needed an easy rule that he could deploy in his discussions with ministers who kept coming into his office to demand money. We needed something simple. 3%? It was a good number that had stood the test of time, somewhat reminiscent of the Trinity."


The Trinity?
OMFG:)


http://www.voxeurop.eu/en/content/news-brief/2776341-secret-3-finally-revealed
37) Message boards : Politics : Je suis Varoufakis :) (Message 1707009)
Posted 29 days ago by Profile Alex Storey
Jean-Claude Juncker today.
https://youtu.be/juFxBhDSK9s
https://youtu.be/1k15gzZEuWE


I would love to have said this (I knicked it from the comments section):

"How can an unelected president of the EU call anyone a dictator?"

-----

Reminds me of the good ol' days!:)

The Fast Show - Very drunk
38) Message boards : Politics : Je suis Varoufakis :) (Message 1706943)
Posted 29 days ago by Profile Alex Storey
If you think I'm the guy that says he has a bunch of Ferraris but doesn't why are you wasting your time? Why feed the troll?

Are you trying to make a troll see the error of his ways? When in the history of the internet has that ever happened? Have you ever managed to enlighten one? How's that quest working out for you?

Have you ever seen anyone else enlighten one?
Have you ever been told by anyone you trust of a single example where a troll became a born-again logical person?
Have you even heard a rumor?
Anything?

Why are you chasing windmills?

...you claim that taking and posting a picture is to much trouble...


And there I was thinking I'd have to write the equivalent of a small book to answer your question to anyone's satisfaction. But if all it takes is a picture then just give me a few details on what kind of picture would convince you someone is a psychopath and I'll see if I can't find one for you.

Yes, that's sarcasm.

I would think the pub is a far less appropriate place to show me your evidence about the mental state of a German politician. Unless of course your evidence requires alcohol to seem true ;)


Yeah, let me translate what you just said. Essentially you're saying that discussions with a keyboard are more prolific than an actual face-to-face conversation (and you are finishing off that statement with a silly beer joke).

I beg to differ.
39) Message boards : Politics : 7: The Torch is Lit (Message 1706844)
Posted 31 Jul 2015 by Profile Alex Storey
There is a common language in use, but most of Europe don't want to use it & only do so when it suits them.

It's a language in use on International Airways :-)


And of the Seti forums. Oh, and the internet in general...

Thanks for pointing out these threads Sirius. Looks like you've done a lot of hard work here over the years. I'll probably binge-read all of 'em someday soon, when I have the chance.

I just opened your first link in this thread and though I had guestimated it was in the Hundreds of Billions... it turns out:

In May, he [Juncker] stubbornly saw off a bid by EU leaders to stop such tax dodges which are estimated to cost the continent’s crisis-racked economies almost £2trillion a year in lost revenue.


I also hadn't stumbled upon:

While the rest of Europe suffered a financial crisis, Juncker’s domestic political career foundered as the result of another, more local, scandal. Following a scandal involving allegations about the eavesdropping and wire-tapping of politicians, as well claims that secret files had been kept on ordinary citizens since the Cold War, he was voted out of office.


I swear, future generations are gonna think we were Neanderthals...
40) Message boards : Politics : Je suis Varoufakis :) (Message 1706837)
Posted 30 Jul 2015 by Profile Alex Storey
Kept forgetting to reply to this.

Ehm, Social Democrats aren't all that social anymore these days. Ever since the 90's they have moved to the right, buying into the whole neo-liberal capitalist nonsense. This is especially true for Northern European social democrats. If you want real social democracy you are probably better off with green parties or more outspoken leftist parties.


What I want is a Steve Wozniak. We have plenty of Steve Jobs' in the EZ... but no Wozniak. Things don't work without a Wozniak.

The EU needs a few wise people to work, now that it's in trouble and still in its infancy.

So I dare you to find me one.

One.


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