Posts by shizaru
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Immigrant Migrant Refugee SUPREMACY-Is RACIST DEPLORABLE & TREASONOUS KKKOMMIE KKKryBABY KKKLOWNS with Their Continuing TREASONOUS Behaviours, will LOSE All Elections if They Keep Spouting TREASONOUS Free Speech
(Message 1834730)
Posted 8 Dec 2016 by  shizaru
Post: Right. You guys let me know when this post truth witch-hunt is over because it's messing with everybody's ability to think straight. You guys are flipping out I didn't add an "IIRC" which I thought was obvious and would never had added anyway. I trust my brain. (And as turns out... I DID remember correctly.) Bobby's asking a million questions about what doesn't seem to qualify as a paragraph even. WK is going on about me going all "apples and oranges" and 'round & 'round in circles when all I did was state a simple fact. Then he pulls a stat out of nowhere as I'm pretty damn sure the percentage of full time employed people is NOWHERE in this thread so... I'm also pretty sure he's mixed up the meanings of "mean" and "median", as median will always be lower in these stats. I can't even be bothered to trace back and look why he thinks I ever said "average" anywhere. Gary's flippin' out about a tax-stamp when all my brain can access is "killer weed", "dodgy Mexicans" and a blanket ban of other obscure substances like "hashish" when it was really cocaine and morphine that were all the rage way back when. Considering this is probably one of those "interstate" things I'm guessing more Tax-Stamp and less DoA/customs. But we can't have that discussion when he's in post-truth-hunting mode. And pretty much everybody beside a few Trump fans in here are going all California Ãœber Alles when one look at how counties voted across the States should be enough to tell you "thank f' each State doesn't get 10 electors and that's it". Popular vote? Terrible f'in idea for The States. And if that means Trump then so be it. Most of you are also oblivious to the fact that left & right have been moaning about the same things all across the Western World. Meanwhile the centrist, adorable, and cool POTUS was bombing 7 different countries up until VERY recently. I guess that means y'all think Hillary would go for 10 seeing as the only thing everybody here agreed on is that she's a warmonger. So that means the only way Trump is going to out-war those two is if he really DOES start a nuclear war. And how many people think that? Personally I consider the chances of him building a wall to be higher (and the chances of that happening are pretty close to zero). Most of the Left have been getting their stats from Piketty these past few years. And from people like Sanders & Warren. And everybody's so caught up in post-truth-finding that you forgot Trump sounded just like Sanders on a lot of things a few months ago. So his stats aren't wrong. It's just that he & his surrogates can't understand/memorize them to save their life! So no Bobby & WK, unless you work for Goldman the economy ain't doin' fine. Oh and fun-fact: Post-truth? My brain says "technique perfected and heavily used by Putin". Betcha never heard THAT one before... |
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(Message 1834629)
Posted 7 Dec 2016 by shizaru
Post: Ah, thank you John. You just gave me a quick & easy way to get rid of Bobby & WinterNight in a language they might actually understand! - - - - - - - - "half of all working Americans ended up making less than 30k a year IIRC" -Alex Storey The statement is accurate and there’s nothing significant missing. |
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Immigrant Migrant Refugee SUPREMACY-Is RACIST DEPLORABLE & TREASONOUS KKKOMMIE KKKryBABY KKKLOWNS with Their Continuing TREASONOUS Behaviours, will LOSE All Elections if They Keep Spouting TREASONOUS Free Speech
(Message 1834552)
Posted 7 Dec 2016 by shizaru
Post: I thought it was ""government of the people, by the people, for the people, " It is. But via the States. And again, that's a good thing. Unless y'all prefer the EU model where Germany rules the roost. Food for thought. |
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Immigrant Migrant Refugee SUPREMACY-Is RACIST DEPLORABLE & TREASONOUS KKKOMMIE KKKryBABY KKKLOWNS with Their Continuing TREASONOUS Behaviours, will LOSE All Elections if They Keep Spouting TREASONOUS Free Speech
(Message 1834549)
Posted 7 Dec 2016 by shizaru
Post: Fine. Two can play at that game. So you are saying that the 95.4% that ARE employed have a remuneration median of $39,509? |
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(Message 1834533)
Posted 7 Dec 2016 by shizaru
Post: Oh FFS. By definition, 50 percent of wage earners had net compensation less than or equal to the median wage, which is estimated to be $29,930.13 for 2015. And if you find a number that's 34k or whatever, fine we'll go with that one. I really, really, really don't care. But it's always going to median employed when you are referring to unemployment numbers. NEVER full-time. NEVER household. Do you guys understand that yet or not? https://www.ssa.gov/cgi-bin/netcomp.cgi?year=2015 |
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(Message 1834523)
Posted 7 Dec 2016 by shizaru
Post: Did not make this assumption - I had no idea what stat you picked, The only assumption I made was that you had a solid foundation for your statement, thus far it seems I was in error. Ok, 3rd try at explaining this. See bold above? As this is math, there is only one stat ANYONE can pick. There really is only one right answer. If someone drops unemployment numbers on your lap that means you have X amount employed and Y unemployed. Now forget Y (which I'll remind you is the 4.6% stat). We're throwing 'em away because they made ZERO dollars. Every one of those X made a specific amount of money in 365 days. Now if you sort those X employed by annual income and try to find the guy in the middle, my MEMORY is saying Average Joe makes 30k. (A wiki number I gave you earlier pretends that no-one aged 17-24 works for a living in the US so the median goes up obviously and it's the 32k previously posted. I think that's more than close enough to 30k considering the amount of low income earners you are chucking out of the equation.) Is this understood by you and WK now? |
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(Message 1834491)
Posted 6 Dec 2016 by shizaru
Post: I still think your stat is the wrong one. And you haven't justified it yet as to why it is the correct one. OMG, I thought you understood this but you were just saying "yeah but full-time numbers paint a slightly better picture overall". WK, I'm sorry but this is math... it's not up for debate. I know you're good at math and I know I've justified, not once but... in two different ways why it is the correct one. So either take a closer look at the post you replied to or ask me to explain it a third time and I will :) |
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Word of the Year 2016
(Message 1834488)
Posted 6 Dec 2016 by shizaru
Post: Post-Truth eh? Cute. You guys are kidding right? I mean, I know mosta-yall come here just to blow off steam so I get why smarts are often AFK but... But, but! This is your chance to summarize 2016 in a few words! So no matter what website chooses whatever... The Peoples Choice for 2016 is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Establishment Meanwhile in April this happened and already everybody's forgotten about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Papers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offshore_tax_haven) Then there's these inconvenient little truths: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pay_to_Play https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_deal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_inequality_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downward_Mobility & https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle-class_squeeze https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crony_Capitalism and my personal favorites: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_welfare and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatocracy Even if it's zany you're after and prefer to end the year on a high note, I can still think of a couple more obvious choices than lame ol' "post-truth". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basket_of_deplorables Last but - most certainly - not least... Grab 'em by the... whatever ;) |
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(Message 1834443)
Posted 6 Dec 2016 by shizaru
Post: I don't see what's wrong with the one suggested by WK (full time aged 25 to 64). Alex disagrees, though it's unclear why. No wonder we have a failure to communicate. Bobby, no offense, but you are misusing and misunderstanding your stats. Let's start over: You said What counts as a failing economy in a post-truth society: I said And in their (the politicians of both parties) obsession to game that number half of America ended making less than 30k a year. After that you made 3 mistakes in a row: 1st you assumed I chose the wrong stat. Then you thought you found the right stat. Then you thought WK found the right Stat. I'll ignore (for now) the fact that you completely glossed over all the important bits of my very short reply which were (in order of appearance) -gaming employment numbers -employment numbers are becoming irrelevant -a teacher can't afford to live in San Francisco Anyway, 3 people provided stats. The only one that is relevant and directly related to the unemployment numbers you referenced is the 30k I pulled out of my *ahem*... memory. If 4.6 percent are unemployed then the median income of the remaining 95.4 is 30k (IIRC that is) or this may be easier to understand Q: When referring to employment/unemployment, which median can be used? a) All employed, median b) All full-time employed, median c) All employed, household, median |
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The Way Ahead too...
(Message 1834173)
Posted 5 Dec 2016 by shizaru
Post: So I went out with Maria for our first beer in 4 months... Renzi already resigned? Damn! Awesome :) 60/40? Awesome :) |
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The Way Ahead too...
(Message 1834058)
Posted 4 Dec 2016 by shizaru
Post: But to bring this thread slightly back on track and address the - by far - most important issue of the day: This is me crossing my fingers and hoping that the Tony Blair of Italy gets his a** handed to him today. Enough with the neo-liberal narcissists already. (Seeing as the Guardian has fully endorsed him, I'm liking my odds of getting this one right too. My crystal ball hasn't failed me yet) |
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The Way Ahead too...
(Message 1834054)
Posted 4 Dec 2016 by shizaru
Post: The way congress gave themselves the authority to regulate a naturally occurring plant was to claim it under the commerce clause, create a tax on it, make it illegal to possess if the "TAX STAMP" was not affixed to it, and then NOT ISSUE TAX STAMPS. wrong, wrong, wrong! I'm guessing this statement isn't going to compute for most even though there's nothing inherently wrong with it. At best, one could use it as a stepping stone to (rightfully) go on a Tricky D rant... but that's about it. |
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(Message 1834047)
Posted 4 Dec 2016 by shizaru
Post: Nope, sorry. I'm still going to call you & Gary lazy. You've both gone into a "grammar police" mode but have yet to go into "fact checking" mode. It should (hopefully) be obvious after my responses to all the nitpicking that: "half of America ended [up] making less than 30k a year" now stands as "half of all working Americans ended up making less than 30k a year IIRC" And I'm still waiting for someone to come along and rub my "fallible recollections" in my face. (The rest of your post will have to wait. I can only handle one thing at a time) |
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(Message 1833938)
Posted 3 Dec 2016 by shizaru
Post: OH WAIT, I bet you have to put a condition on that 40 hours. I bet that condition would make someone who works 60 hours a week not be counted as "full-time." Am I right? You sure sound like you're right. But I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. Please help. |
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(Message 1833935)
Posted 3 Dec 2016 by shizaru
Post: (I'm essentially answering a PM) What's yours for the "half of America ended [up] making less than 30k a year" claim? I'm sorry Bobby, I don't have one. I'm obviously going from memory. If I got it grossly wrong you are free to rub it in my face. WK is quoting full-time BTW. That's not what I said. I didn't feel the need to point it out because it's obvious we're not talking about the same thing. However, right above his stat is one that is a lot closer to what I was saying and it's: All, age 25+ 32,140 Or take your "household" stat. Just factor in "married" and you'll arrive a lot closer 30k than you think. All of which has nothing to do with the point I was trying to make which is: Even if the average full-time worker made 50k it wouldn't matter one iota as long as the graph below looked like this 
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(Message 1833890)
Posted 3 Dec 2016 by shizaru
Post: Overall Median, Total population, Full-time workers, age 25-64, $39,509 Now you're talking. Finally someone put in a little effort. - - - - - - - Now 2 questions: 1) Are full-time workers on the rise or in decline? 2) (And remember this is what started this little tangent of ours) Does it matter that "the economy" is doing well when Trump is the price you have to pay? Obviously something is going wrong... "Post-Truth" didn't give us Trump, the "Gilded Age" did. |
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The Way Ahead too...
(Message 1833885)
Posted 3 Dec 2016 by shizaru
Post: And who has the power to amend that Constitution? |
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(Message 1833866)
Posted 3 Dec 2016 by shizaru
Post: I'll let Jefferson answer that: "You seem to consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions; a very dangerous doctrine indeed, and one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy." (Queue Citizens United BTW) |
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(Message 1833863)
Posted 3 Dec 2016 by shizaru
Post: You really can't tell "worker" is implied here? Seriously? Babies? You guys don't have keyboards? |
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(Message 1833861)
Posted 3 Dec 2016 by shizaru
Post: Yes you did. But I don't think you spent a lot of time letting the info in your source sink in. Those numbers are abysmal in historical context and downright offensive when compared to US economic growth. Smarter people than you got this wrong too, so don't feel bad. In fact, only just recently Hillary's Corporate Democrats gave us the "gift" of Trump. Because Trump out-lefted Hillary on this particular issue and the Rust-Belt bought it. BTW, links are great and can contain useful info but books are always a better "source". So the links below are just a stepping-stone... not a "source". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average_Joe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_income_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States |
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