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1) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 8 (Message 1113312)
Posted 1054 days ago by Profile Pappa
Anyone tried Alpha or Beta versions yet?

http://windows8beta.com/

win 8


Many analysts are being quoted as there is good and bad. The big key is Win 8 is supposed to be modular. The OS is supposed to be small enough to fit inside Smart Phones, Tablets and Desktops (inside 256 meg). The first biggest module is Touch Screen other emphasys is on Cloud Applications. Win 8 bypasses Big Business for the Desktop (Win 7 is for that, which is why they bypassed Vista).
So things will get interesting. Win 8 could have a tight kernel and then you add what you want (that is if you build the machine ourself).

Regards
2) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Earthquake and Tsunami hits Japan. (Message 1091536)
Posted 1121 days ago by Profile Pappa
Okay

Praying for meltdown: The media and the nukes
Science and the public lose out with TV's Hollywood disaster film obsession


Praying for meltdown: The media and the nukes
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By Andrew Orlowski • Get more from this author

Posted in Environment, 29th March 2011 12:22 GMT

Comment Sensationalism has always been part of the popular media - but Fukushima is a telling and troubling sign of how much the media has changed in fifty years: from an era of scientific optimism to one where it inhabits a world of fantasy - creating a real-time Hollywood disaster movie with a moralising, chivvying message.

Not so long ago, the professionals showed all the deferential, forelock-tugging paternalism of the dept of "Keep Calm And Carry On". That era lasted into the 1960s. Now the driving force is the notion that "We're all DOOMED – and it's ALL OUR FAULT" that marks almost every news bulletin. Health and environment correspondents will rarely be found debunking the claims they receive in press releases from lobby groups – the drama of catastrophe is too alluring. Fukushima has been the big one.
Go Read the Rest.

Now The wife's receptionst has relatives in the hardest hit area, she and family are still trying to find out who is left. The province was destroyed.... Grandmother flew over and has found a few brothers, sisters and still looking for other relatives. It goes to people are missing. The Nuclear plants are mostly a non issue.

Go find that facts and then talk about it.

Regards

Edit: I spent 23 years in the US Navy, Most aboard US Navy FBM Submarines. I live within walking distance of Running Reactors. Most of what I have been trained on and seen reported is so much BUNK....
3) Message boards : Number crunching : Largest single system to SCALE SETI? (Message 1085965)
Posted 1140 days ago by Profile Pappa
Nice Catch Martin

I did like the part in 2005, " The Hewlett-Packard Company (2005-01-17). "HP Showcasing Itanium-based Superdome Server Running HP-UX, Windows and Linux Concurrently"."

This showed they were smart enough to know which Processor/OS would meet the customers needs.

It would still be nice to wind it up for NITPCKR. As a part of the query has to reach into the database to find adjacent pixels and/or repeat for the same pixel. The concurrent sharing between cells could allow the cached information to be reprocessed, rather than "re-retieved data." The total RAM in the machine would hold just about the entire returned results. It would not matter that it took 4 plus days to sort retieved data to various processors/cells. As it was all loaded the just say GO!

Pappa

4) Message boards : Number crunching : Largest single system to SCALE SETI? (Message 1085619)
Posted 1141 days ago by Profile Pappa
Well running Seti@Home blows the purpose of that server out of the water, "high availability" lol.


Currently they are highly available to run S@H it would seem.



IA-64 is dead beyond service packs so while validating SP1 I figured we try to get one last horah out of her.... :)


I look at this and wonder... IF arragnements could be made to get the correct ferdora core installed, the Seti Staff flies in with a duplicate of the Master Science Database (With NITPCKR). IN about a Month, analysis of ALL the returned results could be almost complete... Along with some analysis of the best reobservation candidates. Heck, it might even find ET....

That would be one Hell of a Horah!!!!

Pappa



5) Message boards : Number crunching : OMG......I did it. (Message 1081890)
Posted 1152 days ago by Profile Pappa
Pappa Tips his Hat

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6) Message boards : Number crunching : Preventive maintenance - how about that? (Message 1078661)
Posted 1161 days ago by Profile Pappa
This has been a very interesting discourse. For some/a few there is a small amount of realization that Seti has been barely surviving for years on the good will of others. It continues, your donations prove to UCB that Seti has something else which no one has (loyalty). It has each and everyone of You (Setizens), who somehow continues to find ways to get funds to Seti keeping it going.

Over the Years, many users have came an gone. Some did not have the advantage "you" do today. Eric told the facts. It is unfortunate to see Seti in this position, it took this thread to help so many reach an understanding of how fragile the Seti project is. How much is accomplished with so little.

I want to "Thank Each of You" for your concern, "WE" wait for Matt to get the hardware moves to a point where he can assess what help is needed.

I also know there are two camp's:

One camp determined to find ET, insist that they have spent thousands of dollars (pick your currency) on Computers/Hardware and monthly Electric Bills.

The other camp who have some managed to upgrade Computers/Hardware and still respond to a need for donations.

It would be nice if both camps could strike some kind of "Balance."

The bottom line is the Seti Staff has only so many hours/day to work on the project. Wages/Salary/time are dictated by UCB. Unless there is a very large windfall of cash, things are not going to change in the near future.
The question becomes how can "WE" the Setizens make the world more aware and able to generate the funding that is needed. That is the thread that can make a real difference. Those are the ideas that are needed.

Then we stand a "better" chance at finding ET.

For those that have managed to balance crunching WU's to returns the Results and Build the new machines AND spare a few pennies (in today's world economy). You are the Balance to tips the scale in Favor of Seti.

Pappa tip's His HAT.

Al
7) Message boards : Number crunching : Updated Information on Moderation (Message 1077057)
Posted 1165 days ago by Profile Pappa
Normally this is an announcement Thread. Today Richard stated there were issues withe Seti Server Side code that caused issues with moderation. One of those issues was the Seti Users did not always recieve email notifications about moderation. This thread is NOT the Discussion area for moderation issues. There is a Thread in the Political Forum for discussion without details. The proper way to address issues with moderators is through discussion via email to the moderator group. If that fails send email to Seti Forums Administrator.

I would like to Thank everyone for their patience today.

Note: One of the hidden threads/Messages question who was Richard? Richard is an ex-moderator, he is a volunteer tester, an Alpha Lunatics tester and member of Boinc Alpha and Boinc Developers. Generally it Richards states something is wrong it is true, as he probably already has spoken on "your behalf" in places that you do not see. Without his and others efforts and many posted stating they were also aware that changes were in the mill.

Pappa Tips his Hat, to those doing Boinc Alpha and Boinc Dev (and Lunatics).

Regards



8) Message boards : Number crunching : Preventive maintenance - how about that? (Message 1077044)
Posted 1165 days ago by Profile Pappa
A few messages were removed prior to restoration of this thread due to the Server Side issues.

Thank You for your patience.

As was noted the Gowron is a single point of failure which is as I recall about 4 years old. The majority of the servers connect via back end network (second 1 gig Nic) for server to server communications. The Backup of the degraded Raid make traffic slow to a crawl. Matt stated that as the backup of was complete a new install of the OS should return the functionality for the SAN. Recovery would be at a gigabit speed.

For myself, I have had to move data off a paritally recoverd crashed Raid. The tools I had told the the expected (running average) transfer speed. So with a known amount of total data, the amount of time could be calculated. This was commplicated in that there were areas where ECC and other data showed there was corruption. The time for Raid Retries before the data blosck was marked as Bad and Logged. Slowed the process to its knees. The Boss told me to go home. I did go home and check back later at periods lest a screen be shown asking for permission to continue.

At this point we are waiting for the completion of the transfer to start the OS reinstall.

Regards

Pappa
9) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@Netherlands donation challenge for SETI@home (Message 1076006)
Posted 1168 days ago by Profile Pappa
Eesger and S@Nl

Thank You, It shows as Todd has mentioned, when a Team who shares the knowledge with other members deciding to do something. It can make a Large Impact.

I originally thought "one update a day will probably be more then enough".. well I don't mind being wrong this time, I just have got to give you this update:

Donation counter: aprox. $ 1,412 (€ 1,035 we're past the 1,000!!!! :D )

I almost feel like Santa Claus writing each post, but I'm only giving a small portion of this (already) great figure, it's all those Dutch crunchers ! (and I really like being one at the moment :D)


Pappa Tip's his Hat to Seti @ Netherlands.

Regards
10) Message boards : Number crunching : What do we tackle next? (Message 1074983)
Posted 1172 days ago by Profile Pappa
Bill et al

There was a time where the shipping address was more public, things showed up which were not suitable for Seti or other purposes. For now call it Security. Eric had asked me not to give it out, unless items were approved or he has been in contact with you.

If one was wanting to ship a Visa Gift card for say the amount of 2 cases of beer, I might be convinced to PM them the shipping address for the Fedex/UPS/Postal service envelope ;0... Yes, this would fall outside the 10% that UCB handles. Not sure if you would get a Green Star, you would have a few friends.

For the other hardware, a new server is not the thing to discuss right now. We are stuck on hold for a bit.

Regards

Al

Robert et al

Without sounding like a cheerleader. Matt has promised me a list of what is needed move the aging fleet of older machines ahead. In some cases small amounts of RAM can improve performance. In some cases drives that run 24/7 are aging and causing issues. The last problem being the "resync" for the WU storage. The time it takes is partly due to the RAID 10 they use for the best throughput and redundancy.


I'm curious. How much of a problem is it to come up with an address to ship hardware to? Is it a problem of security? The university not being able to get their 15% of a memory stick? Just the inertia of a bureaucracy that's bothered with shipments not going through and being processed by the universities receiving room? What?

So as we look a the list of Servers, each machine may have an upgrade path that could include RAM, Processors, Drives to increase what they can do. Some are so dated that there is little that can be done.


This is where a ball park figure for a replacement server would help.

Matt had promised me a list for what he thought might be used to accomplish the new parts/parts swap between machines.

So at this point, if you want to start early marking the Donation for Hardware that is fine. If you want to consider what it would cost to put another Sysadmin in the office. The basic wage would start a 60K/year (plus the overhead for taxes etc. which every employer has to account for). Then the persons hours might be adjusted for one of the weekend days.

Please understand that Matt and Jeff are really more than someone with a computer science degree that handles servers. They are Project Scientists for which the Servers are a necessary evil.

If people like I can share a bit more technical information as to why (suspected reasons) that some of the things happen. Or you are considering building a machine that with the built in RAID where you can put 4 2Tb drives for 8 Tb RAID 0 or if the controller handles it 4 Tb with redundency RAID 10 (go this way please). We have quite a few Computer Experts that can help define what is the best way to go. It could be Fun...

Regards



11) Message boards : Number crunching : What do we tackle next? (Message 1074979)
Posted 1172 days ago by Profile Pappa
Thank You Todd and the GPU Users Group

More than happy to help out - myself personally or as a group effort with my teammates - the GPU Users Group.

Todd


Al
12) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (43) Server problems (Message 1074960)
Posted 1172 days ago by Profile Pappa
Uploads are turned off, while the RAID Array is being Resync'd.

Regards
13) Message boards : Number crunching : Suggestion for Number Crunching format (Message 1074933)
Posted 1172 days ago by Profile Pappa
Before this gets to the point it needs to be moved to Politics.

There are some good ideas here. As to whether the Project Administrators can be convinced for what might be best.

In the Past we did have a FAQ section that was stickied. Due to time (aging of posts) it was removed for other more important things. The problem I see is that if a topic is started at some point in time a Seti user needs to rewite the most important parts of the discussion. Then that post can be copied into a read only thread. When that happens a reference to the thread is created and the rollup of the information and links. Then it would become a record that has good generic information and some information that becomes outdated due to Moore's Law.

If this is a good idea, then we can figure out a way to start making it happen.

Regards

14) Message boards : Number crunching : What do we tackle next? (Message 1074930)
Posted 1172 days ago by Profile Pappa
Robert et al

Without sounding like a cheerleader. Matt has promised me a list of what is needed move the aging fleet of older machines ahead. In some cases small amounts of RAM can improve performance. In some cases drives that run 24/7 are aging and causing issues. The last problem being the "resync" for the WU storage. The time it takes is partly due to the RAID 10 they use for the best throughput and redundancy.

So as we look a the list of Servers, each machine may have an upgrade path that could include RAM, Processors, Drives to increase what they can do. Some are so dated that there is little that can be done. Matt had promised me a list for what he thought might be used to accomplish the new parts/parts swap between machines.

So at this point, if you want to start early marking the Donation for Hardware that is fine. If you want to consider what it would cost to put another Sysadmin in the office. The basic wage would start a 60K/year (plus the overhead for taxes etc. which every employer has to account for). Then the persons hours might be adjusted for one of the weekend days.

Please understand that Matt and Jeff are really more than someone with a computer science degree that handles servers. They are Project Scientists for which the Servers are a necessary evil.

If people like I can share a bit more technical information as to why (suspected reasons) that some of the things happen. Or you are considering building a machine that with the built in RAID where you can put 4 2Tb drives for 8 Tb RAID 0 or if the controller handles it 4 Tb with redundency RAID 10 (go this way please). We have quite a few Computer Experts that can help define what is the best way to go. It could be Fun...

Regards

15) Message boards : Number crunching : Restart when adding Vga. (Message 1074184)
Posted 1174 days ago by Profile Pappa
If it that regular I would suspect am "Over Temp." The shutdown is a protection restart.

The suspect would be North/Southbridge on the Motherboard.

Regards
16) Message boards : Number crunching : Need help with Lunatics, Please (Message 1070408)
Posted 1185 days ago by Profile Pappa

1/24/2011 7:51:10 PM Starting BOINC client version 6.10.58 for windows_x86_64
1/24/2011 7:51:10 PM NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 470 (driver version 26099, CUDA version 3020, compute capability 2.0, 1280MB, 1120 GFLOPS peak)
1/24/2011 7:51:10 PM NVIDIA GPU 1: GeForce GTS 250 (driver version 26099, CUDA version 3020, compute capability 1.1, 512MB, 288 GFLOPS peak)
1/24/2011 7:51:11 PM SETI@home Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platform
1/24/2011 7:51:12 PM file projects/setiathome.berkeley.edu/setiathome_6.10_windows_intelx86__cuda_fermi.exe not found
1/24/2011 7:51:12 PM file projects/setiathome.berkeley.edu/setiathome_6.03_windows_intelx86.exe not found
1/24/2011 7:51:12 PM file projects/setiathome.berkeley.edu/setigraphics_6.03_windows_intelx86.exe not found
1/24/2011 7:51:12 PM Not using a proxy
1/24/2011 7:51:45 PM SETI@home work fetch resumed by user
1/24/2011 7:51:49 PM SETI@home Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
1/24/2011 7:51:49 PM SETI@home Requesting new tasks for GPU
1/24/2011 7:51:51 PM SETI@home Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
1/24/2011 7:51:51 PM SETI@home Message from server: Project has no tasks available


First Boinc see the App_info.xml file (in red) so it is expecting to find something by about files by a certain name (Lunatics).

Next (in blue) show in the client_stat.xml after the still contains the links to the Seti Stock applications as the intialization run of a single WU has not been completed. It is blocked by the app_info.xml file from downloading.

Finally the scheduler had no work for you.

Suggest that you stop boinc, remove the app_info.xml file and after restarting boinc that you do a Project Reset. This will get the stock files and clear the references in the client_state.xml then reinstall Lunactics.

Regards
17) Message boards : Number crunching : What do we tackle next? (Message 1069630)
Posted 1187 days ago by Profile Pappa
Matt stated that there would about 8 weeks of intermittant "things" as the new servers were "cooked in." If you are refering to The old machine had issues and synergy was pressed into serivce before they were ready, that fits with Matts previous stement in the Tech News. Because many things are spread out across an Network File System (NFS) and scripts were writtien for various machines and tweaked to Max and they are suddenly moved to a new machine... Can you expect something to happen such as the RFI noise blanking to hicckup..

To this point things have not been too terrible. Most users have enough work to keep them going until the problem is solved. Uploads are running downloads well there are still a few WU's to get for the weekend.

If nothing else get out and have a bit of Fun while you are waiting for the Sky to Fall..

Regards

18) Message boards : Number crunching : Nvidia Gts 450 expectations (Message 1069387)
Posted 1188 days ago by Profile Pappa
I have an Asus 450 ENGTS 450 DirectCU/DI/1GD5
EClk-783
SClk-1566
MClk-902 (3608)

Actually, I just grabbed what I have which is Valid results and put the data into a spreadsheet.

It shows with a mix of various AR's my average time for completion is 1,038.60 seconds = 81.45572586 Results/day at the granted credit rate of 98.89 = 8054.973871 credits/day.

As always Eveyones milage varies.

Regards



19) Message boards : Number crunching : CLOSED- SETI/BOINC Milestones [ v2.0 ] - XXII -CLOSED (Message 1069344)
Posted 1188 days ago by Profile Pappa
As I got up this morning had enough Results returned and validated to Pass 10000000

Regards
20) Message boards : Number crunching : anything for more performance (Message 1068868)
Posted 1189 days ago by Profile Pappa
The quick look is you have an AMD X6 1055T @2.8GHZ and you complete one wu a day and then it is turned off. That running 24/7 with Lunatics should produce an average between 3000 and 4500 credits per day (using all 6 cores).

You also need to look at your Seti Computing Preferences as it appears your default setings allow for the use of only one CPU Core at a time. So if it a case of turning the computer on in the morning. Then let it use all six cores, then turn it off when you go to bed. You can also set the preferences as you sit down to read email to suspend Seti. Then run again after you stop using the computer.

Lunatics is going to be your largest performance boost.

Regards



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