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Message 1880267 - Posted: 25 Jul 2017, 12:24:05 UTC - in response to Message 1880252.  
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I think that a brainstorming group of engineers and idea men (personettes ?) should be assembled at once. It would be my dream to be part of this thrust even though I know nothing about how things are done now in boosting to orbit. In my day I was a pretty good systems engineer and Operations Research guy ( wife says not so).
I suggest Elon Musk, Richard Branson, Filippenko, Steve Wozniak a few top engineers from Boeing, Hughes Aircraft and supporting staffs for latter stages of design.

This could be Trump's JFK moment all over again.
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Message 1880333 - Posted: 26 Jul 2017, 5:52:12 UTC

Nice idea but any money trump has got he wants to use to build a wall! NASA has already stated that re-visiting the moon is not on their future agenda, they are going for the comets, asteroids, and Mars. Yep, I don't understand it either, particularly when the USA has to accept lifts from the Russkies to get to the ISS and back. I would be concentrating on building a new fleet of shuttles, developing a moon orbit staging post, and a moon lander. Then start shipping Moon base parts via the ISS, Moon orbiter, and lander.

But congress funds NASA so what they are currently working on must meet with approval whatever we might think.
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Message 1880360 - Posted: 26 Jul 2017, 10:41:16 UTC - in response to Message 1880333.  

Yes, NASA has been Obama-ized where bureaucrats want to collect their salary without much effort. Trump needs to get it back on track. Our probes to Mars and the planets seem to be repeating the same somewhat tired and largely ineffective science. I am referring to the Mars Rovers which still don't tell us if life ever started there and the Jupiter probes which can't tell us if there is a solid core. The latter may not have been NASA but I am suggesting international efforts led by NASA. As for a Moon and Mars effort I think that we are no further away than we were when Kennedy announced the effort to get to the Moon and back.
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Message 1880374 - Posted: 26 Jul 2017, 11:53:47 UTC - in response to Message 1880360.  

Kennedy's speech to Congress in 1961 was politically aimed at beating the Russians to the first moon landing after Gagarin beat them into space.

First, I believe that this nation should commit itself to achieving the goal, before this decade is out, of landing a man on the moon and returning him safely to the Earth.
He asked Congress for $9 billion over 5 years, and got it. That would be $73 Billion today. Trump's wall is estimated at $15 Billion.

The Curiosity, Spirit and Opportunity Mars rovers have indicated that at some time in the past there was likely water on Mars, but it is not conclusive.

Pioneers 11 and 12 passed by Jupiter in the 1970s, Voyagers I and II passed by in 1979. The Cassini-Huygens spacecraft also passed by in the early 2000's. The Galileo mission was the only one designed to orbit the planet and study its moons in the mid 1990's. It found out more about the moons that the planet itself. The Juno probe arrived at Jupiter in 2016 and first measurements suggest Jupiter's core may be fluffy rather than dense and that its magnetic field is much stronger than previously thought.
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Message 1880384 - Posted: 26 Jul 2017, 12:59:04 UTC
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Cassini is making a grand finale on Saturn and is discovering many things, also that the magnetic field axis is very close to the rotation axis, so the duration of the Saturn day is still on debate. The final plunge will be in September. I think this was one of the most successful missions to the outer planets, but also New Horizons has given splendid results on Pluto and Charon, and is going to the Kuiper belt.
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Message 1880614 - Posted: 27 Jul 2017, 18:50:12 UTC - in response to Message 1880360.  

Yes, NASA has been Obama-ized where bureaucrats want to collect their salary without much effort. Trump needs to get it back on track. Our probes to Mars and the planets seem to be repeating the same somewhat tired and largely ineffective science. I am referring to the Mars Rovers which still don't tell us if life ever started there and the Jupiter probes which can't tell us if there is a solid core. The latter may not have been NASA but I am suggesting international efforts led by NASA. As for a Moon and Mars effort I think that we are no further away than we were when Kennedy announced the effort to get to the Moon and back.

You have it backwards. It was W. who proposed the ridiculous mission to Mars in an attempt to out-JFK JFK. It won't work, but the Republicans keep pushing. Donald mentioned it too, even if he won't do anything about it. President Obama had the good sense to push it as far back as possible without killing it, to placate said Republicans as much as is feasible. You won't see good sense like that in the space program for the next 4 years. They are now even killing the earth-monitoring missions for Global Warming.
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Message 1880635 - Posted: 27 Jul 2017, 20:28:08 UTC - in response to Message 1880614.  

Perhaps I should expand. In addition to having to grow food without any crops failures or toxicity for several months, and with no failures of the oxygen or water supply, there are radiation belts and micrometeorites that could easily puncture a large spacecraft and suck out all the oxygen. They are not much problem for robotic spacecraft with only solar panels and instruments to worry about, though they sometimes get knocked out too.

But among other things, Mars is toxic to all life.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/jul/06/mars-covered-in-toxic-chemicals-that-can-wipe-out-living-organisms-tests-reveal
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Message 1880813 - Posted: 28 Jul 2017, 18:52:24 UTC - in response to Message 1880614.  

Yes, NASA has been Obama-ized where bureaucrats want to collect their salary without much effort. Trump needs to get it back on track. Our probes to Mars and the planets seem to be repeating the same somewhat tired and largely ineffective science. I am referring to the Mars Rovers which still don't tell us if life ever started there and the Jupiter probes which can't tell us if there is a solid core. The latter may not have been NASA but I am suggesting international efforts led by NASA. As for a Moon and Mars effort I think that we are no further away than we were when Kennedy announced the effort to get to the Moon and back.

You have it backwards. It was W. who proposed the ridiculous mission to Mars in an attempt to out-JFK JFK. It won't work, but the Republicans keep pushing. Donald mentioned it too, even if he won't do anything about it. President Obama had the good sense to push it as far back as possible without killing it, to placate said Republicans as much as is feasible. You won't see good sense like that in the space program for the next 4 years. They are now even killing the earth-monitoring missions for Global Warming.

That's not the way I remember it or read about it. Please quota sources for your claim.
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Message 1880820 - Posted: 28 Jul 2017, 20:10:28 UTC - in response to Message 1880813.  
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That's not the way I remember it or read about it. Please quota sources for your claim.

I am not sure which part you are objecting to. It is hard to keep track of all the misinformation out there.
But Google searches are simple.
https://www.nasa.gov/missions/solarsystem/bush_vision.html
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/07/21/us/president-calls-for-mars-mission-and-a-moon-base.html
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Message 1880862 - Posted: 29 Jul 2017, 0:09:01 UTC - in response to Message 1880813.  
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Global warming is a false religion in the sense that we are not able to do anything about it. Human activity is not causing it ; if in fact it is actually warming.
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Message 1880909 - Posted: 29 Jul 2017, 6:01:23 UTC - in response to Message 1880862.  

Global warming is a false religion in the sense that we are not able to do anything about it. Human activity is not causing it ; if in fact it is actually warming.

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Message 1880910 - Posted: 29 Jul 2017, 6:03:42 UTC - in response to Message 1880862.  

Well glaciers, the ice caps, and ice sheets seem to be melting at an increased rate, so something is sure happening, and the ozone holes are worrying as well.

ozone watch

Ozone loss

Global warming
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Message 1880913 - Posted: 29 Jul 2017, 7:11:39 UTC

On the site of the Televisione della Svizzera Italiana, which I see on Iinternet, there was an interview with a glaciologist of the Zurich Polytechnic Institute who said that the Alpine glaciers are disappearing within this century. I can confirm that the glacier of Marmolada, the highest peak of Dolomiti mountains, which I had climbed in 1960, in the year 2000 was reduced to one half. Poor mountains, without their glaciers are reduced to rubble.
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Message 1880924 - Posted: 29 Jul 2017, 9:45:31 UTC

It is pretty much clear that global warming is going on, but the disagreements are to do with at what rate, and how much does man contribute.

From my second link below

This ozone loss is not the more famous ozone hole, found seasonally over Antarctica, which has been shrinking since the phase-out of chlorofluorocarbons, or CFCs, that interact with ozone molecules in the atmosphere.

So man does have an effect, whether good or bad is debatable.
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