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Message 1894324 - Posted: 9 Oct 2017, 16:29:40 UTC - in response to Message 1894301.  

I could have respond with some anti Irish attack. Which many in our country believe.
Which you funded for many years :-)
So true.
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Message 1894334 - Posted: 9 Oct 2017, 16:48:46 UTC
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Seems a bit of trouble reading and understanding.

I think Sirius thought the words "Irish attack" meant the IRA.

So responded with the fact that a lot of the IRA attacks were funded by IRA supporters in the USA.

However I think Clyde meant he could retaliate with an "Irish attack" on Sirius.

Or of course none of the above.

Lets try not "attacking" anyone please
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Message 1894336 - Posted: 9 Oct 2017, 16:53:05 UTC - in response to Message 1894334.  

I saw it as the IRA. Nothing else.

This thread is about Terrorism & as seen over the past 50 years, that, regardless of nation, has been funded.
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Message 1894340 - Posted: 9 Oct 2017, 17:08:57 UTC - in response to Message 1894336.  

I saw it as the IRA. Nothing else.

This thread is about Terrorism & as seen over the past 50 years, that, regardless of nation, has been funded.

As I did. How else would you view an international forum?

I do know that some people in some areas of the USA had a extreme racist issue with Irish immigrants, but that speaks about themselves, not terrorism in an international context.
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Message 1894343 - Posted: 9 Oct 2017, 17:14:40 UTC - in response to Message 1894340.  

That is the same for most nations as evidenced by their histories. The difference is that many in those nations rose above that, unfortunately...
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Message 1894393 - Posted: 9 Oct 2017, 21:07:58 UTC - in response to Message 1894388.  

Lets try not "attacking" anyone please

Understanding that non Americans attacking Americans is an Internationally Accepted norm. Resulting in most Americans, including myself, laughing at them. Which I believe most attackers fail to understand.

Just trying a little levity.

On a more serious note, as per the IRA reference, and to The Subject:

Many decades ago, in New York City, I accompanied a fellow Police Officer of Irish descent to his local Irish Bar. You have to understand that NYC is, as other large Immigrant Cities. A Patchwork Quilt of different neighborhoods. With different Cultures, Languages. Races, Religions, Little (fill-in the Countries), etc. Where those, not of their neighborhood, are not really welcome on a social bases.

When we entered, I was looked at with suspicion, but my friend said I was OK. And we sat down, having a few beers and listening to the popular songs of the day on the Juke Box.

An hour or so later. The music changed to Anti Black and Tan (Sirius B understands) and Anti British. Two men approached, with a basket in hand, asking each patron for money to support the IRA. As they approached, my friend told me "I better" contribute. Understanding the IRA threat, I dropped $10 into the basket. Afterwards, my friend said that this was normal intimidation by IRA supporters. This incident was reported.

Wondering what the real support of Terrorist Groups are. And how much is really a terrorizing of their supposed supporters.

I'm quoting the whole post as it's a good one. What is even better is you highlighted what many experienced people are aware of. Just because people make observations, they should not be construed as a personal attack or an attack on a nation. From the PoV of the thread, you "unwittingly" funded terrorists & that is not an attack on you either as a person or a police officer.
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Message 1894399 - Posted: 9 Oct 2017, 21:18:10 UTC - in response to Message 1894388.  

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Message 1894407 - Posted: 9 Oct 2017, 21:40:40 UTC - in response to Message 1894397.  

you "unwittingly" funded terrorists...

All inside that bar appeared to give money. How many really supported this Terrorist Group?

My contribution was not done "unwittingly".

Just using discretion regarding their intimidation.

I put that word in quotes as a polite courtesy, since you do not accept the good grace of my post, back to subject. 2 police officers funding terrorists. WTF?
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Message 1894418 - Posted: 9 Oct 2017, 22:13:50 UTC
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Can I ask BOTH sides in these exchanges to READ and understand the posts before commenting.

Or are you, as I suspect, purposely misunderstanding each other.

I have seen no really constructive discussions in these threads recently.

It is just a case of one side trying to "get one over" on the other and if I was not a moderator I would have given up reading most of what is posted here, as many others have.

Too many people have said to me, that they never visit politics as it is not a nice place, I know some have left SET@Home completely over what has been said here.

So I would like to see constructive discussion, is that possible, no name calling, no references to peoples past.

The moderators are only human and not always able to be here 24/7. However we are trying to make the politics forum a better place to come to.

So please try and keep things reasonable or more posts will disappear, and this applies to all.
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Message 1894472 - Posted: 10 Oct 2017, 3:46:25 UTC - in response to Message 1894459.  

They must have had some s**t scary baskets in those days.

Yes, I was wondering how two armed police officers allowed themselves to be victims of a strong arm alms man. You might have to think the place had some really fine cop perks and they wanted to visit again and again.
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Message 1894485 - Posted: 10 Oct 2017, 7:31:27 UTC

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From what I understand an Irish pub in New York at the height of the IRA campaigns was very likely to be a place that this would happen.

Unfortunately the original poster did not make it clear if they were in uniform, I took it that they were not, so starting trouble when surrounded may not have been a good move.

The OP did however say that he and his friend reported this incident, but not in a very strong way, saying: "This incident was reported."

The written word is used differently by different people, I find I often have to read a post a couple of time before I get what the poster is saying. [/mod hat off]

So lets all try and read post at least twice before reacting.
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Message 1894487 - Posted: 10 Oct 2017, 8:49:43 UTC - in response to Message 1894485.  

You know London so will know how factual this comment is. There were many such pubs (bars) like that in London. Many located in Kilburn, Dollis Hill & Neasden. Often after finishing an early or mid duty shift, several of us (all Irish) would pop in to some of them for a quick pint or two before heading home. We often saw those plates doing the rounds. All the time at Neasden Depot, never saw any "donate".

The OP did state that his colleague had to vouch for him which suggested that the patrons were aware of who & what his colleague was. Therefore there would have been no "pressure" on him to "donate"

Just like us in London, there was no pressure. One did or did not. Most of the licensees in the area did not want trouble or lose custom (Neasden depot Met Line & several large Royal Mail Sorting offices in their areas). Can't answer for the States, but here in the UK, one can be certain that many of those pubs had customers whose only loyalty was to the Metropolitan Police & the same can be assumed within other cities here.
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Message 1894489 - Posted: 10 Oct 2017, 9:26:11 UTC

Yes but the OP also stated "As they approached, my friend told me "I better" contribute. "

If I was in that situation I would have listened to my friend.

Of course, other may have reacted differently
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Message 1894490 - Posted: 10 Oct 2017, 9:34:18 UTC - in response to Message 1894489.  

Fair point, but whatever happened to standing up & walking out? Plenty of other bars in NYC one could get a drink.

Now's let's look closer at your comment & that poster's.

Can we safely assume that his friend donated the same amount?

That's $20. About that time what was the cost of ammunition? $1 per round equates to 20 rounds bought. Did any of those rounds take out a squaddie?

So taking all your points so far, let's look at this one...

...police officers contributed to....

...isn't it the job of all police officers to serve & protect & not be an accessory after the fact to murder?
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Message 1894494 - Posted: 10 Oct 2017, 10:37:09 UTC
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Surely there are times when discretion is the better part of valour.

Yes he could have got up a walked out rater than contribute, and possibly become a marked individual.

He may have been a policeman and yes he could have tried to arrest the person asking for donations, good luck with that !!

The OP stated twice that both him and his friend reported the incident.

I might agree with you if he had not stated that.

Personally I believe you are just picking holes in what I think is a totally believable and honest description of the incident.
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Message 1894496 - Posted: 10 Oct 2017, 11:15:13 UTC

Does the IRA do any terror attacks anymore?
I don't think so.
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Message 1894497 - Posted: 10 Oct 2017, 11:17:04 UTC - in response to Message 1894494.  

Personally I believe you are just picking holes in what I think is a totally believable and honest description of the incident.
In that case you thinking is in error.

Believable & honest? His friend knew what type of bar that was, yet...

...No human being is perfect, but a normal citizen expects those that serve as police officers to be honest as best that can be expected.

So it now appears that one cop was caught up in a situation he saw no way out of, but the other...

By your believing I'm picking holes, it appears to me, that you cannot see the forest for the trees.

Don't forget also, that around that time NYPD had a terrible reputation for corruption. Not saying Clyde was but his posting of the incident regarding his colleague raises questions.

Questions it now appears to others as "nit-picking".
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Message 1894498 - Posted: 10 Oct 2017, 11:23:11 UTC

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Message 1894501 - Posted: 10 Oct 2017, 11:35:08 UTC

I mentioned already that some patrons in our pubs were not who others thought they were. Believing that there is no way that American Law Enforcement Agencies would not operate something similar on their own shores, so had to check for myself.

"However, a fresh plot emerged in July 1992, following Thatcher’s departure from 10 Downing Street and in advance of a speaking trip to the US. A tipoff arrived from a trusted FBI asset based in Boston, who was apparently working undercover in American-based IRA circles and had learned of the plot in a New York bar identified as a “hotbed” of IRA activity.

The investigation was taken very seriously. Dozens of pages of files were created, and the mole inquiry was launched. Two known IRA operatives thought to have been behind past attacks in the UK and said to have fled California for New York, were identified as the prime suspects "

hmm....
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Message 1895509 - Posted: 15 Oct 2017, 15:44:46 UTC

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Ambulance sirens echoed across the city as bewildered families wandered in the rubble of buildings, looking for missing relatives. “In our 10 year experience as the first responder in #Mogadishu, we haven’t seen anything like this,” the Aamin Ambulance service tweeted.

Grief overwhelmed many.

“There’s nothing I can say. We have lost everything,” wept Zainab Sharif, a mother of four who lost her husband. She sat outside a hospital where he was pronounced dead after hours of efforts by doctors to save him.
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