2. betreger: If you want the drug and it's still in its patent period, you pay the price they're asking. Otherwise, you don't buy it. Same with anything else. The company has to recover research/development costs. Anything else prevents innovation. If your life depends on a new drug and you can't afford it, sorry. Then you die like everyone else did before the drug was invented. That's in accordance with Nature's law and Nature's God. Thank Bill Clinton for extending the patent period to 20 years.

Guy that's correct and in accordance with Ryan's health care plan, it you want to live become wealthy. Another benefit is by these people dying there will be a smaller medicare caseload. those who live will be better off.
Guy you should become a health care professional.
As an aside I'm sure Jonas Salk thought that way.

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4. ozzfan: Net Neutrality was a government seizure of the internet by redefining it as a service with the potential for monopoly. I see plenty of reason why the healthcare market does not fit those parameters.

I understand this is off topic, but you're wrong about this. The government did not seize control of the internet and there was absolutely no potential for a government monopoly. They reclassified ISPs under Title II regulations and applied them lightly to encourage more competition. I sure hope you don't teach this stuff.

5. nick"666": see #2

Do the individual states have the capability of testing and examining of drugs?
If the drug companies have to create patents for each state rather that the one Food and Drug Administration you have at the moment then that will only drive up costs.
You will also get the confusion where one authority rejects a drug that is authorised in other states.
You only need to search "nice rejects us food and drug" NICE being the UK office that authorises drugs and treatments in the UK, and see the number of times the UK disagrees with the FDA. Imagine that times 50. All those calls to politicians asking why my wife/husband/ child/et al is denied a treatment.

Your idea's have not been thought through. From 4 years ago Medical Bills Are the Biggest Cause of US Bankruptcies: Study

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One side accepts the laws of nature and nature's God;

Since God doesn't exist, one side is nutz.

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Since the USA's 'poor', already have free access to Great Health Care. And the Wealthy can afford Great Health Care. We are only referencing, in this discussion, those in 'The Middle'.

Sorry what? The USA has one the highest rates of infant mortality in the developed world, and the same is true of death in childbirth. These unnecessary deaths disproportionately affect the poor, not the middle and certainly not the wealthy.

If access to great health care is not available to the poor for something as common as giving birth, why should one assume it's any better for other procedures?

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Since the USA's 'poor', already have free access to Great Health Care. And the Wealthy can afford Great Health Care. We are only referencing, in this discussion, those in 'The Middle'.

Sorry what? The USA has one the highest rates of infant mortality in the developed world, and the same is true of death in childbirth. These unnecessary deaths disproportionately affect the poor, not the middle and certainly not the wealthy.

If access to great health care is not available to the poor for something as common as giving birth, why should one assume it's any better for other procedures?

Delusion

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Plus, the numbers on infant mortality and healthcare across the world are a compilation of different numbers, different ways of collecting those numbers and some are outright lies. So it's meaningless to try to compare healthcare across the world.

edit: For example-Cuba's healthcare system is better than ours? HAHAHA!

Did you look at the Newsweek article? Is it similarly meaningless to compare health outcomes in different wards within the same city? If you want something scholarly on cross country comparisons that cannot be as easily dismissed as meaningless on the basis of the reporting methods and collection, you might like this.

CLYDE, do you have data supporting the access vs use comment? Did you look at any of the data linked?

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Has anyone of the Trump team thought about the consequences to their voter base of their proposals for trumpcare.
We are told that his base is the blue collar worker who has lost or is scared they are going lose their jobs, because their jobs are going abroad. These people probably have health care now but will not by the next election. So how is Trump going to get two terms?
And don't believe that cr*p Trump is going to get those jobs back, they have been disappearing since the 1950's because of improvements in technology.

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Has anyone of the Trump team thought about the consequences

FULL STOP.
No they have not, nor will they. To do so would be to question their own belief of superiority.

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My health plan is just to outlive you rumps.

Having second thoughts Mark about who you voted for !!!!! Getting old really brings home how important health care is mate

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The CBO, by its nature, must score bills on a "static" basis. The CBO said obamacare was going to start paying for itself by now. What ever Trump does, the CBO is going to say it'll raise the debt.

Trump's in the the white house, a bunch of lilly-livered, yellow-bellow republicans own congress, and the SCOTUS will be a 5/4 conservative court. Get over it.

So you think it won't effect you do you ?

Hope your well off , scratch that rich or maybe your young either way it will effect you at some point and if you are rich watch your back as you will be the target of those that lose out Health care is personal and when enough ppl are desperate there will be a backlash and maybe the Republicans will be wiped out over a issue like health care and I reackon they are that stupid as to not see it coming , ergo: the Liberals party here still hasn't seen it and now lost the W.A election has seen Labour win and the Liberals decimated in every state election now only my home state to go .

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He must pay the $5,000.00 Deductible first.

Bought the wrong plan didn't he. Didn't go platinum, went bronze.

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Personal knowledge. While speaking with an acquaintance today. He mentioned the following problem, after he signed up with Obama Care.

He is a working stiff with a, now disabled, wife and 3 children. and pays over $400.00 a month premium.

Partially tore his Achilles Tendon. But... He must pay the $5,000.00 Deductible first. He doesn't have of course, $5,000.00.

You are arguing for single payer.

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Personal knowledge. While speaking with an acquaintance today. He mentioned the following problem, after he signed up with Obama Care.

He is a working stiff with a, now disabled, wife and 3 children. and pays over $400.00 a month premium.

Partially tore his Achilles Tendon. But... He must pay the $5,000.00 Deductible first. He doesn't have of course, $5,000.00.

The problem of how your system works mate shown by your own example .

When you lot get over the fact that if you all pay into 1 fund ERGO: Medicare and it is taken out of your pay as either a tax or you buy private and get a rebate and no tax and it's LAW
and you realize some things are above politics accept that you need a Universal system and YES the wealthy may pay a extra 0.5% tax but that's life you will be able to have better and cheaper health as the private Company's now running it lose there power .

Copyright needs to be changed to 5 or 10 yrs not 20
Gov needs to encourage more competition for generic drugs
and possibly even have Public hospitals to also encourage competition

You can still have Private and a Universal systems it takes the Government that is to , be able to take the exclusivity out of it and stop rorting (yes you may get rorting but there needs to be a way of them getting busted) it's One of the Big things and only Governments are big enough to do it , with the added scrutiny of the constant Public eye

Get over health care as a Communist or Socialist idea It's about getting ya F-ing arm set in a cast after tripping or ya eyes fixed after being knock arse over -it' and banging your head or eye socket or maybe your appendix needs to be removed not bloody politics.....good luck

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Here's a crazy idea for you all how about your states give up any taxes they collect for health care and let the Federal Gov collect them and distribute them back to the states who will then provide the Health care services .............."what Federalise ... He's a Commy get him" "bash" "Biff""Bang" .........call me a Commy will ya @#$#@%%$#@ walking away now. stay down :(

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