Angela has the cajones to actually quote my post and then delete it with her mod button.
I do declare, this is the first time ever I have witnessed such arrogance.

Wow.

An oversight. My apologies. I have hidden my post that quoted your post.

This and the previous? Great responses! May I say, you did miss one thing. God was not removed from the schools. Kids can pray before a test if they wish. etc. ... . Teachers/administrators, however, may not lead them in such activities. So. Mark, when you go back to school, feel free to pray to your Allah before final exams.

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Go! Go! Go Angela! Go Angela! Go! Go! Go Angela!

Can I get some butter? Because that boy is TOAST!

Angela has the cajones to actually quote my post and then delete it with her mod button.
I do declare, this is the first time ever I have witnessed such arrogance.

Wow.

An oversight. My apologies. I have hidden my post that quoted your post.

This and the previous? Great responses! May I say, you did miss one thing. God was not removed from the schools. Kids can pray before a test if they wish. etc. ... . Teachers/administrators, however, may not lead them in such activities. So. Mark, when you go back to school, feel free to pray to your Allah before final exams.

I will also say: I know of avid gun owners that supported BERNIE. So, um, no. WE didn't create YOU. Get over it.

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Angela has the cajones to actually quote my post and then delete it with her mod button.
I do declare, this is the first time ever I have witnessed such arrogance.

Wow.

An oversight. My apologies. I have hidden my post that quoted your post.

This and the previous? Great responses! May I say, you did miss one thing. God was not removed from the schools. Kids can pray before a test if they wish. etc. ... . Teachers/administrators, however, may not lead them in such activities. So. Mark, when you go back to school, feel free to pray to your Allah before final exams.

RE: The Thaw - Attempting to Create an American Theocracy

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RE: The Thaw - Attempting to Create an American Theocracy

An American Theocracy?
It's definitely more of that in US than in the European Theocracy.
Rather strange.
Whatever.
How much of a religious guy are The Donald?
Hmmm......

RE: The Thaw - Attempting to Create an American Theocracy

An American Theocracy?
It's definitely more of that in US than in the European Theocracy.
Rather strange.
Whatever.
How much of a religious guy are The Donald?
Hmmm......

It's likely Pence wishes to be a Theocrat, See him talk about evolution vs. creationism.
Trump is likely acting as if he's Christian these days, to serve Pence and a good fraction of those that voted for him.
Look up the video clip from the 1st week or so where Trump attended church with Pence. See the discomfort Pence tries to hide?

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RE: The Thaw - Attempting to Create an American Theocracy

An American Theocracy?
It's definitely more of that in US than in the European Theocracy.
Rather strange.
Whatever.
How much of a religious guy are The Donald?
Hmmm......

It's likely Pence wishes to be a Theocrat, See him talk about evolution vs. creationism.
Trump is likely acting as if he's Christian these days, to serve Pence and a good fraction of those that voted for him.
Look up the video clip from the 1st week or so where Trump attended church with Pence. See the discomfort Pence tries to hide?

The bible. Great book.
You should read it.
Totally amazing.
Great stuff.
True stories about the Jews, Christians and the others.
No fake news there!

Mike Pence...
He makes me feel very discomforted!

True stories about the Jews, Christians and the others.

Is there any stories of Christians in the Bible?
My understanding it probably wasn't until some time into the 2nd century that they stopped being a jewish sect. And probably not until the early 5th century that before a 100% split was acknowledged.

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True stories about the Jews, Christians and the others.

Is there any stories of Christians in the Bible?
My understanding it probably wasn't until some time into the 2nd century that they stopped being a jewish sect. And probably not until the early 5th century that before a 100% split was acknowledged.

Maybe the English bible are different from the Lutheran bible.
Here we have the Old Testament (jewish) and the New Testament (christian) in the same book.
I know there have been revised editions of the bible over time but for now I think the last edition is from 300 AD something from the First Council of Nicaea.

True stories about the Jews, Christians and the others.

Is there any stories of Christians in the Bible?
My understanding it probably wasn't until some time into the 2nd century that they stopped being a jewish sect. And probably not until the early 5th century that before a 100% split was acknowledged.

Maybe the English bible are different from the Lutheran bible.
Here we have the Old Testament (jewish) and the New Testament (christian) in the same book.
I know there have been revised editions of the bible over time but for now I think the last edition is from 300 AD something from the First Council of Nicaea.

As the New Testament probably wasn't written before the end of the first century, and there is no real indication that the followers of Jesus were considered separate until the Romans threw out all the jews from Jerusalem in 132CE.
And the excuse that some give, that christians split when the stopped being circumcised probably doesn't hold water. They probably did it because Romans considered it barbaric and it was an easy way to identify jews and the followers of Jesus (both groups being the unwanted immigrants of their day) that were in the most part still following jewish customs.

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As the New Testament probably wasn't written before the end of the first century, and there is no real indication that the followers of Jesus were considered separate until the Romans threw out all the jews from Jerusalem in 132CE.
And the excuse that some give, that christians split when the stopped being circumcised probably doesn't hold water. They probably did it because Romans considered it barbaric and it was an easy way to identify jews and the followers of Jesus (both groups being the unwanted immigrants of their day) that were in the most part still following jewish customs.

Then when did it start again?

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As the New Testament probably wasn't written before the end of the first century, and there is no real indication that the followers of Jesus were considered separate until the Romans threw out all the jews from Jerusalem in 132CE.
And the excuse that some give, that christians split when the stopped being circumcised probably doesn't hold water. They probably did it because Romans considered it barbaric and it was an easy way to identify jews and the followers of Jesus (both groups being the unwanted immigrants of their day) that were in the most part still following jewish customs.

Then when did it start again?

If you want a date that christianity is completely separate from the jewish religion, then probably not until Council of Lodicea, 434 CE, that's the last date I found where christians were finally banned from worshiping in synagogues.

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From Christianian science (or whatever) to Trump's religious believes .
I dont belive he has any knowledge of anything but accounting.
Scary!

I must agree that kittyman , with whom I greatly disagree about Trump. Is making a very valid point.

Of course, you attempt to ally with anyone conservative minded on these forums in your continued quest to fight the more liberally minded in hopes that when you're getting your anti-intellectual butt handed to you, they'll stick up for you. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Just reading the silly, ain't we the smartest, and anti intellectual back patting of those attacking him.

And it's much different from your own posts filled with anti-intellectual back-patting of every conservative movement and philosophical position? Yet you criticize and try to invalidate those you disagree with. Disgusting and sad.

Just confirms this fear regarding Trump. It is The Left, The Dims, and The Progressives who; because of their inability to understand how terrible their ideology is. Will only result in a Pro Trump reaction.

Yes, yes. We've heard it all before from you. Every outspoken piece of criticism of 45 is only enabling him to win and all his critics are dumb. When can we expect something more akin to the intellectual discussion you think you're having with everyone else?

When can we expect something more akin to the intellectual discussion you think you're having with everyone else?

Ozz, did hell freeze over and I miss it?

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As the New Testament probably wasn't written before the end of the first century, and there is no real indication that the followers of Jesus were considered separate until the Romans threw out all the jews from Jerusalem in 132CE.
And the excuse that some give, that christians split when the stopped being circumcised probably doesn't hold water. They probably did it because Romans considered it barbaric and it was an easy way to identify jews and the followers of Jesus (both groups being the unwanted immigrants of their day) that were in the most part still following jewish customs.

Then when did it start again?

If you want a date that christianity is completely separate from the jewish religion, then probably not until Council of Lodicea, 434 CE, that's the last date I found where christians were finally banned from worshiping in synagogues.

No. Circumcision of Christian males.

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Now please come to a full halt here.
You have gone from discussing current new politics to dissing the bible?
Get off of my planet now.
Now.
This is not acceptable.
I realize that the bible is the word of God.
AS interpreted by men of God.
Many different interpretations there are.
As the Lord handed this down to mankind, and we handled or mishandled things from that point on.
But, the word of God is a sacred thing, and should not suffer the mangling of the politics thread.

Could we give the Lord a break?
Please?
Meow?

I would be lacking in my faith if I did not at least ask you.
And that is where I shall stop.
I had to ask.
Please? Could you refrain from taking the Lord's word in vain?



I asked you twice.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

If you think asking the question, "Are there any stories about Christians in the Bible" is dissing you. Then you have a very warped mind. It is even a question discussed by Christian academics.

And the general opinion among them, is that until at least the second century the group we now call christians were a minority jewish sect.

Read your bible some day and you will find that Peter and Paul are recorded preaching in synagogues.

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Mark, I've seen you say several times that you are a George Carlin fan. What material have you seen by him... Hippy-Dippy Weatherman? A Place For My Stuff?

The skit he's probably best known for is this one. And on the subject, this one is essential. Seems like you may be badly in need of them.

(NSFW language in links, of course.)

//back to lurking

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Perhaps what some here need to remember is that unless backed up with real facts (as opposed to the other sort)

Everything said on here is a personal opinion only.

Also if a person decides in the face of facts to ignore them then this is also their personal choice.

If they also wish to believe in the "alternative facts" again their choice

As has been said many times before attack the belief not the person.

If you feel you are being personally attacked then use the red-x. Surprisingly it is used rarely, even here.

Use logical arguments to prove why you believe you are correct and the other person is wrong.

I do not see enough intelligent discussion here.

Any new person seeing these forums for the first time would have to wonder about some of the thread titles, this one as an example, and how any intelligent discussion can take place within them.