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Gordon Lowe Send message Joined: 5 Nov 00 Posts: 12094 Credit: 6,317,865 RAC: 0 |
From a purely psychological tv impression, I think Trump looked and sounded good. Clinton came across as too smug. If I had no background knowledge on either of them, I would say Trump gave me a more Presidential feeling. The mind is a weird and mysterious place |
JumpinJohnny Send message Joined: 27 Mar 13 Posts: 678 Credit: 962,093 RAC: 0 |
My own impression is that if Trump had done that well in the first debate the election would be alot closer now. Hillary held her own but smiled at all the wrong times and seemed so far from sincere that my wife even commented that Clinton seemed nasty. I'm sure the media and the Clinton supporters will have a field day with certain Trump comments. I wonder if Trump can stop the bleeding given his inability to sound rational. Clinton gave nothing but canned answers which could only inspire the glossy-eyed Dems. I'm very glad that Cris Wallace was able to get a better debate control and hold the (ugh) candidates to actualy giving answers. Pretty darn sad that a different point of view was not allowed to be on stage. Reps and Dems continue their disgusting monopoly. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19065 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
I think I agree with you Johnny, Clinton in part for the stock answers, but I think her nastiness is a result of what he has said about her and his proven attitude to women. But I do think that her explanation of her fiscal policy was explained better that Trump's explanation of his. I don't think he understands abortion, I'll give you one case where Abortion is banned, Death of Savita Halappanavar, and ask those who want abortion banned completely. Are you willing to accept responsibility for a death like this? And his unwillingness to accept the result is a disgrace. But on the night he better do it quick, some political poll punters are saying, if the polls are correct and don't improve for Trump in the next 20 days, it could be quickest known result ever. The real question post debate probably should be, did he say anything decisive enough, that would get people to change their vote to him, or get the undecided to vote for him? |
Gordon Lowe Send message Joined: 5 Nov 00 Posts: 12094 Credit: 6,317,865 RAC: 0 |
I don't think he understands abortion, I'll give you one case where Abortion is banned, Death of Savita Halappanavar, and ask those who want abortion banned completely. I'd like to avoid life before birth discussion in this thread, just because it's such a hot topic it deserves it's own thread. The real question post debate probably should be, did he say anything decisive enough, that would get people to change their vote to him, or get the undecided to vote for him? He didn't say anything decisive for me, but in the psychological gestalt of the debate, I liked what I saw and heard from Trump, even though I'll still vote for Clinton. The mind is a weird and mysterious place |
JumpinJohnny Send message Joined: 27 Mar 13 Posts: 678 Credit: 962,093 RAC: 0 |
No. I don't think any votes changed. My feeling is that a few "undecideds" made up their mind to go for Trump because of perceived future fiscal improvements, but probably an equal number decided to vote Clinton because of Trump's incoherence. There may also be a few voters that will vote for Libertarian Johnson once they get in the voting booth and are confronted with the realization that they really don't like either Hillary or Trump. They will have that third choice right there on the ballot in ALL 50 states. Edit: The bigger question for the next few weeks will be how far and how fast Republican Senators and Representatives up for election will be able to distance themselves from the statement Trump made about not accepting the voting results. That will be a media bone from here on in. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Are you willing to accept responsibility for a death like this? I believe the people who argue for absolutes, disclaim all responsibility for their decisions and say it is God's will, thus washing their hands. Unfortunately they do so for every one of their absolute beliefs thus they live in an alternate reality where they have no responsibility to their fellow humans. OB Didn't watch it, because there is no need to watch it. There could be no additional information it would provide. While it might have had entertainment value, because it is of people who would become the President, the extreme sadness of that fact prevents any entertainment value from being realized. |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
My own impression is that if Trump had done that well in the first debate the election would be alot closer now. Clinton went after the younger woman's vote, at least that's what she was trying to do with the comments on the 2nd amendment, Roe vs Wade and her summation (that she fights for children and families). This strategy has the potential to extend her base into the suburbs. Drumpf went after the votes he already has, at least that's why he wouldn't agree to conceding if he lost the election. To my mind, that makes Clinton the winner, she tried to appeal to a portion of potentially undecided voters. The next news cycle will probably be about Drumpf's refusal to say he'd accept the outcome of the election, and I expect to see more Republicans distance themselves from Drumpf with comments like: I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
j mercer Send message Joined: 3 Jun 99 Posts: 2422 Credit: 12,323,733 RAC: 1 |
All snark aside... I think Cris Wallace won. I thought he did the best job herding these two. At least we got to hear some can answers to good questions. I'm not sure any undecided voters were swayed. A full ninety minutes is a stretch. I thought Clinton looked board with the whole thing. I thought Trump looked a little board too. By not agreeing to concede if he lost the election will keep him at the top of the media cycles. ... |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
By not agreeing to concede if he lost the election will keep him at the top of the media cycles. Fantastic for Trump golf. Everyone else should be talking about the Trump coup. Fact is, his entire run has been about his brand name. He never wanted to win. Just get his name mentioned as free publicity for his businesses. And help his good buddy Hillary. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19065 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Just get his name mentioned as free publicity for his businesses That backfired then. How Trump's Divisive Campaign Is Hurting His Hotel Business Trump hotel bookings have plummeted nearly 60% for the first half of 2016, according to new data released today by the online travel site Hipmunk. The site measured the percentage of Trump bookings within its markets. For the first quarter, it found reservations tumbled 59.36% compared with the previous quarter, and for the second quarter, the group suffered a 57.46% decline, according to Hipmunk. Donald Trump’s D.C. Hotel Shows His Brand Is Sinking Along With His Poll Numbers Here's Why Donald Trump's New DC Hotel May Be a Financial Flop There's also reports that the diners numbers are swelled by staff, that didn't look like the normal clientele. Apparently confirmed when there was a call for staff and several "diners" immediately stood up and hurried away behind the scenes. |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
By not agreeing to concede if he lost the election will keep him at the top of the media cycles. I can't buy into the idea that he's only running to help the Democrats, or that he doesn't really want to win. The way I see it, everything in life has always been about him winning and being the best (and yes, getting attention). I think he sees the Office of the President of the United States as the highest prize ever, and so all he wants is to win. I think it's only about thrill of the hunt for him, much like he views women. He clearly hasn't planned very far ahead given his complete lack of details on how he plans to accomplish any of his Presidential promises/goals, which makes his claims tantamount to bluster and publicity stunts. Like any sore loser, I think once winning became a real option for him, losing is also a very real option with big risk, big reward, so he has to prep the scene and claim the outcome is rigged before he's even had a chance to lose, so that his ginormous ego can get by unscathed without feeling the devastating blow of defeat - especially to a woman. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19065 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
It should have been a case for Trump Presidential ambitions, of being so simple. After all he's a good businessman, he's increased his fortune by over 20%/year for 50ish years. If you believe his numbers. That means he must be good managing staff, and immigrants must love him because he employs so many. He knows the Tax system inside out and knows where it needs reforming. Negotiating with others including foreigners to open up World businesses. Including Islamic countries. Therefore, of course, he knows all about Trade Deals and whats good for him and the USA. Traveling to so many countries he knows a lot of whats going on, which countries are friendly and which aren't. The incumbent President is not that popular. The economy and jobs haven't improved fast enough for the population in the last 8 years. The population wants change to a new better style of government. The opponent is even less popular. The opponent lost a ambassador plus other US citizens when Secretary of State. The opponent is not trusted and has problems with emails and private servers. And the opponent is a Woman. Who's husband has problems controlling his trouser snake. What could be easier. |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
It was supposed to be so easy.... |
bluestar Send message Joined: 5 Sep 12 Posts: 7031 Credit: 2,084,789 RAC: 3 |
Similarly, if the Politicians are supposed to decide how society should be run, then perhaps take the mood of the people and let events happen which makes everything else ending up being put into in a context. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19065 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Similarly, if the Politicians are supposed to decide how society should be run, then perhaps take the mood of the people and let events happen which makes everything else ending up being put into in a context. The question is, considering the number of subjects debated and covered by our elected politicians, would the public actually know, rather than believe, about all these subjects. You might like to look into California's "Ballot Propositions" and work out for yourself whether they are a good or bad idea. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
You might like to look into California's "Ballot Propositions" and work out for yourself whether they are a good or bad idea. Don't get me started on how horrible direct democracy is ... . Some filthy trap is written into every single one. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19065 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
You might like to look into California's "Ballot Propositions" and work out for yourself whether they are a good or bad idea. I knew that would get the required response. LMAO |
JumpinJohnny Send message Joined: 27 Mar 13 Posts: 678 Credit: 962,093 RAC: 0 |
The real winner of last night's debate? NOT the American people. Unfortunately the real winner was the Debate Commission and the complicit Media who control what people hear. It really doesn't have to be like that. There are other opinions rather than the bought-and-paid-for two party monopoly. Here is Libertarian presidential candidate Gary Johnson's take on the last Debate. My Statement: What We Heard Last Night |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
But if only he were a decent alternative. And 48 states weren't winner-takes-all. Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19065 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
In my msg 1825535 I linked to the death of Savita Halappanavar. Now there is another article about the death of a woman, because the doctor would not abort the fetus to save her life. Italy abortion row as woman dies after hospital miscarriage |
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