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Message 1870351 - Posted: 31 May 2017, 19:09:30 UTC
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I was talking to my sister on the phone today when I realised that I can no longer relay on dad remembering anything.

What he will forget and what he will remember so far seems totally random, gets up doesn't put socks on, when I ask why, it's because he doesn't have any.

Takes his shoes off and has no idea where they go. Seems to have totally forgotten how to shave. However any of those things he may well remember tomorrow and forget something else.

Today we had to go to the doctors as they had requested a blood pressure test before they would issue any more prescription medication.

It was a struggle, he cannot walk more than about 20-30 yards without becoming completely out of breath, however he has a perfect BP 120/60, so at least the Bisoprolol is doing it's job.

Then in the car, as I am driving out of the car park, he suddenly tries to push his house keys into the air vent, first on his side then in the centre, I pushed his hand back and asked him what he was doing and he replied:

"I have no idea".

The camera has been a real boon as I can see when he is getting confused and casually stroll in and ask him if all is OK. I have ordered another one for the kitchen as that is a room that has the potential for disaster.

I want him to do as much as he wants and he can get drinks and snacks himself. However I don't want to "hover " round him while he is in there, so hopefully another camera will help.

It is a sad fact that there is no dignity in old age. As I have no children, I hope I never need full time care.
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Message 1870355 - Posted: 31 May 2017, 19:32:31 UTC - in response to Message 1870351.  

It is a sad fact that there is no dignity in old age.


Well, you are the one giving your father dignity, Bernie.

As I have no children, I hope I never need full time care.


And ditto, nobody's putting me anywhere; I'm going to be a stubborn old man. This was my parents' house, and where I learned to walk and talk, and it's neat as a pin, and in perfect condition. It's the Lowe museum, and nobody's moving my old stone bust out. :~)
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Message 1870503 - Posted: 1 Jun 2017, 7:31:07 UTC

My GF has now been at a hospital for about one month.
After three surgeries she got a phone call from a cousin of hers.
She wanted to pay her a visit.
But they haven't met each other for over 40 years!
So strange.
My GF turned her down.
Who wouldn't?
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Message 1870574 - Posted: 1 Jun 2017, 19:08:13 UTC - in response to Message 1870355.  

It is a sad fact that there is no dignity in old age.


Well, you are the one giving your father dignity, Bernie.


I suppose I am, so far I am the only one who really sees his bad times.

I do find it hard, I have just found him again in the kitchen convinced he has made himself something to eat, yet there is nothing.

He is convinced he has done something, then slowly he seems to "come out of it", I am desperately trying to help and playing down his mistakes, but he then seems to realise what he is saying and doing don't make sense.

At this point what I am saying must sound to him like platitudes and he gets annoyed, with himself I think,

There is still a part of him that realises when he has done something odd or strange and that must be difficult for him.
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Message 1870738 - Posted: 2 Jun 2017, 22:28:56 UTC - in response to Message 1870574.  

He is convinced he has done something, then slowly he seems to "come out of it"


Yes, there's some sort of murky fog that my mother was in like that. It was almost like multiple personalities. She definitely seemed to be aware of a reality I didn't know about. I only live in one reality. She seemed tenuously connected to the one I know about and some other ones.
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Message 1870901 - Posted: 3 Jun 2017, 15:20:05 UTC
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There is still a part of him that realises when he has done something odd or strange and that must be difficult for him.

My mum has fewer moments like that than she used to, but whenever they occur, she also gets frustrated and upset with herself. Sometimes it's possible to find the right words that will make her laugh, or at least distract her but not always.

One thing she used to comment on whenever we were in a taxi, was to wonder why she kept moving her feet around the floor, and her hands on her handbag. It's obvious to me she's driving - fortunately not actually or I wouldn't be here telling you this now ;) pf which she denies all knowledge of ever having done. It doesn't happen if she's sitting on the left though, I suppose because she's never driven on the right. The trouble with trying to get her to stay on the left is - by the time I've got her in, unless I'm able to secure her into the seatbelt, which is not always possible from the angle I'm at, and got round to the other side and ensured I'm not spread over the road by a passing car, she's shuffled over to that side.

Perhaps a solution for your dad would be to establish what it is he thought he'd made for himself, then, perhaps the next day if you have time, prepare something like it to pop into the fridge ready for you both to "find" where he put it if it happens again? He may not recall the previous incident at all of course, and it won't prevent it happening in other ways. All we can do really is keep up with each additional frailty as we discover them, and you're doing that very well :)

I wanted to post the progress we've made with regards my mum's violent lunges the other day, but didn't have enough credit to do so :/ I'll try reconstruct it and put it here in case it ever proves helpful to someone else.

big hugs for everyone here in the meantime :)
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Message 1870920 - Posted: 3 Jun 2017, 18:40:39 UTC

Thanks Annie, however he actually has no idea what it was he thought he had made and yes, if I asked him about it the next day he would not remember.

Things have got a little bit more difficult, yesterday morning he said that he had woken up after about a hour in bed and, well that is where it gets hazy, he said "it was difficult to explain"

Took about half an hour for me to arrive at the conclusion he had trouble getting his breath, so he got up and sat in the living room, the camera I have installed recorded it as 04:41 am.

Another problem with dementia, he couldn't find the words to explain what had happened.

He seems to be OK now and is eating well, but is having much more trouble getting around.

He says he "hasn't got the strength". Unfortunately he resists calling the doctor, as like most older people he has said he does not want to got to hospital.

He survived a heart attack in November 2015 and was told he was "living on borrowed time" so I think he believes if he goes into hospital again he won't come out.

I can't and wont force him, but would obviously react in an emergency when he likely won't be able to argue.

For me it's all about his quality of life and respecting his wishes.
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Message 1870936 - Posted: 3 Jun 2017, 20:10:33 UTC - in response to Message 1870920.  

Sounds almost like my mum that now is 88 years old.
Now she doesn't even remember my name.
But she remember my phone number:)
Very strange.
She also got a stroke 4 years ago and have very problems to speak.
So you don't know if she is feeling good or bad...
Anyways. I spoke to her on Mothers Day last week and she seems to feeling better:)
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Message 1871089 - Posted: 4 Jun 2017, 12:33:31 UTC
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Sigh...
I just talked to my GF at the hospital.
She just learned that her daughter has breast cancer:(
Susanne as she is called did a surgery only the last week.

Why do all bad things happen at the same time?
Swedish idiom.
"En olycka kommer sällan ensam"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-LIaUIwSw0
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Message 1871103 - Posted: 4 Jun 2017, 14:01:04 UTC
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We germans call that "Gesetz der Niedertracht" law of heinousness :(
Sad, very sad.

Best wishes to Susanne.


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Message 1871108 - Posted: 4 Jun 2017, 14:13:36 UTC - in response to Message 1871103.  
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We germans call that "Gesetz der Niedertracht" law of heinousness :(
Sad, very sad.
Best wishes to Susanne.

Yes. In English that's the Murphy Law.
But our idiom is much older than that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWf081m3Dxk

Gruß got:)
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Message 1871135 - Posted: 4 Jun 2017, 17:46:22 UTC
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Since it's Sunday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxPj3GAYYZ0
That song has become the number one song at funerals here in Sweden.
At my GF's brother Kalle funeral they sang that song....
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Message 1871141 - Posted: 4 Jun 2017, 19:05:16 UTC

@Chris
Thanks for the hugs :)

standards of care are mostly higher

They are, but it's things like not appearing to notice that someone in their care is walking around in urine-soaked slippers and shoes (which is how I brought my mum home from her last need to go into care while I was in hospital) when you know you can do so much better by her than that.

@Bernie
Sorry to hear about the extra health concerns you have regarding your dad. Finding the balance between what we feel we ought to do and what we know those we care for want, is hard. In some ways, the problem with my mum is the opposite of yours. She retains the vestiges of a life-long love affair with hypochondria which is probably why I try my best to avoid doctors for myself. But because she is not able to describe a concern she has to me sufficiently well for me to make a judgement call I feel I can trust, we're a bit of a superfluous fixture in the surgery a lot of the time. My son however, is so difficult to persuade to see the doctor. A lifetime of experiencing a world that says there is something "wrong with him" means he's reluctant to let a doctor find something else that is. It's my other half though, who is impossibly difficult to persuade to let me call him an ambulance etc. Last time that happened - I was right - he was having a heart attack :/ So I'll be using that as leverage next time there's a next time - a sort of... I-told-you-so leverage :)

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I'm glad you managed to speak to your mum on mother's day, and that she seemed better :)

Why do all bad things happen at the same time?

I've developed a unifying theory that might explain the phenomena both you and Mike have referred to, janne. This thread isn't the time and the place for me to unveil it - but I do hope that your girlfriend and her daughter get through the ordeals they facing and get better soon. Both have long roads to recovery but I know you and Tosca will be with them all the way and helping them in any you can :) I'm so sorry to hear the extra bad news on top of what else has happened :(

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So nice to see you
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Message 1871157 - Posted: 4 Jun 2017, 20:48:05 UTC - in response to Message 1871141.  

@janneseti
I'm glad you managed to speak to your mum on mother's day, and that she seemed better :)
Why do all bad things happen at the same time?

I've developed a unifying theory that might explain the phenomena both you and Mike have referred to, janne. This thread isn't the time and the place for me to unveil it - but I do hope that your girlfriend and her daughter get through the ordeals they facing and get better soon. Both have long roads to recovery but I know you and Tosca will be with them all the way and helping them in any you can :) I'm so sorry to hear the extra bad news on top of what else has happened :(

Thanks Annie.
Looking forward to your publishing of the unifying theory that might explain the phenomena.
I know that Annelie will;)

From Tosca and Janne.
Cheers.
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Message 1871533 - Posted: 7 Jun 2017, 8:36:09 UTC

My GF has now moved to a short-term residence.
https://gulasidorna.eniro.se/f/fridhemskullen-korttidsboende:14510485
When she left the Kungälv hospital, the hospital staff hugged her.
Some even got tears in the eyes :)
It's true;)

A sad thing, however, is that most patients have dementia :(

This week I will try to visit her together with Tosca.
Annelie misses Tosca a lot.
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Message 1871705 - Posted: 8 Jun 2017, 5:45:08 UTC - in response to Message 1871533.  
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My GF has now moved to a short-term residence.
https://gulasidorna.eniro.se/f/fridhemskullen-korttidsboende:14510485
When she left the Kungälv hospital, the hospital staff hugged her.
Some even got tears in the eyes :)
It's true;)

A sad thing, however, is that most patients have dementia :(

This week I will try to visit her together with Tosca.
Annelie misses Tosca a lot.


Happy to hear Annelie is healing. :) Such a beautiful name Annelie. :)
Kind thoughts and prayers to the three of you. :)
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Message 1871811 - Posted: 8 Jun 2017, 22:07:18 UTC

I've had a couple different people say to me, as if to put a positive spin on my mother's recent death, "Well, Gordon, at least you've got your life back". Common sense would seemingly kick in and prevent people from saying something stupid like that to me. It boggles my mind sometimes how insensitive people can be.
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Message 1871832 - Posted: 8 Jun 2017, 23:31:09 UTC - in response to Message 1871705.  

[quoteHappy to hear Annelie is healing. :) Such a beautiful name Annelie. :)
Kind thoughts and prayers to the three of you. :)[/quote]
Many Ann's here.
Even in the SETI boards.
Jesus's grandmother was called that as well:)
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Message 1871892 - Posted: 9 Jun 2017, 7:03:27 UTC - in response to Message 1871811.  
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I've had a couple different people say to me, as if to put a positive spin on my mother's recent death, "Well, Gordon, at least you've got your life back". Common sense would seemingly kick in and prevent people from saying something stupid like that to me. It boggles my mind sometimes how insensitive people can be.

Your life was always yours. It might have taken a detour to care for your mother. But now you have more time to yourself to find what you want to do with it.

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Message 1871895 - Posted: 9 Jun 2017, 7:20:24 UTC - in response to Message 1871811.  

I've had a couple different people say to me, as if to put a positive spin on my mother's recent death, "Well, Gordon, at least you've got your life back". Common sense would seemingly kick in and prevent people from saying something stupid like that to me. It boggles my mind sometimes how insensitive people can be.

You made a positive decision to care for your mother, you made it your life.

I had to be the one to care for my father as there really was no other choice. My sister lives in the US and I could not expect the neighbours to do any more.

So when I was speaking to a friend I used the phrase "putting my life on hold".

However unless you have cared for a family member full time I do not believe you can ever understand the situation and the emotions.

So others looking in from outside can never truly understand.

To me it is a bittersweet experience, helping my father when he needs it, but at the same time seeing his mental and physical decline, is hard to take.

But after 9 months this has become my life, not sure I can ever quite go back, whatever happens.
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