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celttooth Send message Joined: 21 Nov 99 Posts: 26503 Credit: 28,583,098 RAC: 0 |
Ka-poofnicks! edit: 10 units of Ukranian currency, which i have no idea how to spell or pronounce. |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
So once every smoker on the planet has given up, either voluntary or because of the hefty costs, what will governments tax heavily to replace all that lovely lost revenue? No idea. To the best of my knowledge there's no available data on the subject, though if you have any, please share it. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
Gordon Lowe Send message Joined: 5 Nov 00 Posts: 12094 Credit: 6,317,865 RAC: 0 |
So once every smoker on the planet has given up, either voluntary or because of the hefty costs, what will governments tax heavily to replace all that lovely lost revenue? I would think the marijuana tax in states where it's legal generates a lot of money. The mind is a weird and mysterious place |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
So once every smoker on the planet has given up, either voluntary or because of the hefty costs, what will governments tax heavily to replace all that lovely lost revenue? Oxycontin tax. Don't worry they will find lots of sins to tax. |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
No idea. To the best of my knowledge there's no available data on the subject, though if you have any, please share it. bobby your looking to the wrong country for your evidence . Seeing as Australia is leading the world on this subject here is the web site you need for all the info you are looking for The cost to the health system is more than what the taxes raise http://www.tobaccoinaustralia.org.au/13-5-impact-of-price-increases-on-tobacco-consumpt |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Yeah, tobacco is the source of all hospital problems - KMA! "Binge drinking isn’t some fringe issue, it accounts for half of all alcohol consumed in this country. The crime and violence it causes drains resources in our hospitals, generates mayhem on our streets and spreads fear in our communities." Source What are the stats for America? Or Australia for that matter as you highlighted your tobacco issues. |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Don't you know Sirius ozzies drink heaps of beer . Yes your right Alcohol is a bigger problem than smokes and cost more for health but hey man if they do something about Alcohol then all those liberal party BBQ's they have would be boring as hell and there policies would be better can't touch alcohol can we ..........Hippocrites And the only policy they have tried is to ban the sail of Alcohol after 12pm and lock people out of the clubs after that time and it's only in some places not all . |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
booze drains the ER/Trauma area of the hospital. But also rescue paramedic budget which may not be hospital funds. tobacco drains the oncology/ICU/surgery/radiation/long term care areas and can come back several times before death. Need a self medication license which acts as a DNR order. Booze/tobacco/junk is all self medication and society should not be picking up after your personal choices. |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
booze drains the ER/Trauma area of the hospital. But also rescue paramedic budget wow you ever worked in a Hospital Gary , I have mate Booze does drain the ER but it also drains oncology/ICU/surgery/radiation/long term care areas neurology/pharmacology ad to that the justice system As for fixing there budgets maybe in your stuffed up health system but not ours . Most alcoholics these days have Hep b or c . Add too that children born with Alcohol fetal syndrome Alcohol fetal syndrome is a big problem here amongst the First people and is hindering a lot of them to go on to have productive lives Booze/tobacco/junk is all self medication and society should not be picking up after your personal choices. spoken like a true right wing facist Off cause we can't even let the argument of being born in poverty and the lack of education and jobs . I'll also throw that one back at you if you ever go through a devoice and totally lose it . You have a lot of compassion and understanding as I can see |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Glenn you are the one without compassion. You will force people to continue to live a horrific life and won't let them suicide. If you want to suicide, suicide. It is one less person belching huge developed nation levels of CO2 into the atmosphere and thus is good for humanity. Or do you want to see 450ppm? Booze isn't the big issue here, although it is an issue. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3224806/Number-drug-addicted-babies-born-QUADRUPLED-just-one-decade-amid-heroin-epidemic.html Number of drug-addicted babies born in the US has QUADRUPLED in just one decade amid 'heroin epidemic'And it isn't the dirt poor. Firewater is a problem on the reservation, but the reservation is not the USA, it is a separate nation. Different than your first people. Their government has to deal with it. Drunks here are picked up by the cops, thrown into "the drunk tank" and given a place to sleep it off, then kicked out onto the street, no court date. No Dr. type looks at them. They might get a free bologna sandwich if they are in that long. Crack, meth, junk, pot and the like are the big problem here. Causes huge amounts of crime to get the funds to purchase. The addicts cause issues all over as people have to step over their bodies on the street. Then there are the ones who become violent. They get hauled into hospitals. Unfortunately many of them drive high. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/09/shocking-picture-of-ohio-couple-apparently-overdosing-with-child/ The tobacco ones not only get cancer but they start fires with their filthy habit and put themselves and their families into the burn ward, if they don't put an entire apartment house in the burn ward. As to our health system the fault is we have zero mental health care. Oh if your boozers are catching Hep B&C, you better check out the contamination issue at the bottling plant. B&C are contagious disease. Booze hep is a separate thing, maybe it ought to be called early stage cirrhosis. Using booze/drugs/tobacco is a choice. No one forces you to do it. You are responsible for your own choices. After all if you go out and get an AR-15 and spray a school playground, society is responsible for making your life so miserable you had to do it! Jihadist reasoning. Want to choose to use drugs? get the license and sign the DNR. |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Oh if your boozers are catching Hep B&C, you better check out the contamination issue at the bottling plant This comment shows me that you really don't understand much do you . Hep c and b is passed on through sexual contact with someone infected not the dam bottling plant . You must live in one of them Gated communities . Small minds that are bored so the only thing left for them is to talk B/S about things they don't know herion , crack , ice , coke, speed , uppers , downers , morthine , Methadone are very power full drugs . I once new a Russian girl that had moved here after Chernobyl she was only 16 . porr girl had to have radiation treatment and had finally beaten all her medical problems and was now going out and having fun . One day she went out with a young boys on a date . within 3 days of this date she was a full blown Heroin addict . Can you tell me how she became a heroin addict ? Give you a clue she did not voluntary take the drug In your version of the world people voluntary take drugs but I have lived way more than you and know it is not always voluntary particularly when talking about females |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
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KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
An appropriate quote, in my opinion, on the subject of "America's shame", as well as the other "* shame" threads: As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth's final century, free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny. The once-chained people whose leaders at last lose their grip on information flow will soon burst with freedom and vitality, but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism. Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master. -- Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri (1999) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sid_Meier%27s_Alpha_Centauri https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE #Texit Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016. Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Also fits well with your "1984" references. Unfortunately :-( |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Interesting, but only 4 states? |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Interesting, but only 4 states? All repugnant party members. A taste of Drumpf yet to come. (I think what has them is a tizzy is there could be a .sex and .xxx TLD's and there is nothing they can do about it!) |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
Also fits well with your "1984" references. Well, considering that the internet was invented for military purposes (.mil) using research grants from DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency... that is money from the US Federal Government... in other words the US Taxpayer...), I would say that the 4 State A.G.s have a point. It should take, really, even MORE than a simple Act of Congress to do so. Effectively what they are trying to do is to cede control over a Weapon System to a group of Foreign Nationals... We taxpaying US Citizens paid for it to be invented. It belongs to US! https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE #Texit Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016. Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power. |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
We taxpaying US Citizens paid for it to be invented. It belongs to US! +1 |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
We taxpaying US Citizens paid for it to be invented. It belongs to US! Don't forget it was a Brit that made it what it is today. |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
We taxpaying US Citizens paid for it to be invented. It belongs to US! If you are refering to Tim Berners-Lee's invention of the WWW... The World Wide Web is a service that runs on top of the Internet, not the internet itself. https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE #Texit Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016. Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power. |
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