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janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
The way I see it everyone in the UK voted on how much democracy they wanted in their lives. And voted in a very democratic way, might I add. Yes. That's how democracy works. But lets say the voting was a week later and the weather was nicer on voting day. Giving the close vote outcome perhaps the UK would remain in the EU... And I thought the referendum was advisory. Well. Brexit is Brexit as Theresa May says. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19075 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
The way I see it everyone in the UK voted on how much democracy they wanted in their lives. And voted in a very democratic way, might I add. It is. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
The way I see it everyone in the UK voted on how much democracy they wanted in their lives. And voted in a very democratic way, might I add. Hmmm. But couldn't this be resolved with a tiebreak? I love strawberries:) |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30676 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
But couldn't this be resolved with a tiebreak? Best four out of seven? |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
But couldn't this be resolved with a tiebreak? Hehehe:) Perhaps not. That would take years. A more quick way to settle it is with penalties like in football. "And now David Beckham, Bremainer, have the chance to settle it once and for all" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL_gEn9xyV8 btw. Seven percent of those who voted for Britain to leave the EU - 1.2 million voters - has repented, according to a survey from Opinium referenced by The Independent. Worthy of note in the survey is that the next one in ten do not think the UK will actually leave the EU:) Meanwhile, three percent of those who want to stay in Europe has changed their minds. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
btw. In a democracy the majority are supposed to rule. But there are different kind of majorites in a democracy. Simple, Absolute, Qualified and Double. http://en.euabc.com/word/783 Now Britain choosed a referendum that only require a simple majority. Since all know that voters are changing their minds all the time I think the Brexit referendum doesn't say what Brits wants. At very least it should have had a 60% barrier, not 50%. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Now Britain choosed a referendum that only require a simple majority. In which case there would have been no winners. By setting a barrier, then the referendum/poll/election is weighted. The EU knew that which is why they set their own barrier. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
In which case there would have been no winners. Yes. You proved my point:) http://indy100.independent.co.uk/article/here-are-our-favourite-jokes-about-brexit-because-everyone-really-just-needs-to-laugh--W1EBv521SW |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
In which case there would have been no winners. Not quite, I should have said no winners of the referendum. By setting a barrier which in our case would not have been reached, the status quo would have remained as if no referendum took place. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
By setting a barrier which in our case would not have been reached, the status quo would have remained as if no referendum took place. Not really. The politicians now know for certain that the public don't trust them. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
By setting a barrier which in our case would not have been reached, the status quo would have remained as if no referendum took place. That already happened, approx. 30 odd years ago. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
By setting a barrier which in our case would not have been reached, the status quo would have remained as if no referendum took place. hmmm. Referendums in the United Kingdom are by tradition extremely rare due to the principle of parliamentary sovereignty. To date, only three referendums have been held which have covered the whole of the United Kingdom: the first on membership of the European Economic Community in 1975, the second on adopting the Alternative vote system in parliamentary elections in 2011, and the third on whether to remain in the European Union in 2016. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19075 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
btw. So why were the rules changed for this referendum compared to the previous two? |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30676 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
A Lawful Society doesn't change the Rules, when one side loses. Are there rules for referendums? Or because they are advice, hence ignorable, there is no value to them and no rules need be made? |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
A Lawful Society doesn't change the Rules, when one side loses. There are no rules for referendums. Wales are now fighting to be in the EU. Wales Brussels 3-1. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19075 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
A Lawful Society doesn't change the Rules, when one side loses. Actually there are no rules for referendums, although it has been proposed several times. On the ignorable point, it isn't the only threshold for exit. The European Union act of 2011 requires that any amendment of the Treaty on European Union or the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union made by treaty, and any use of a passerelle provision, must be approved by an Act of Parliament at least; and that a referendum must be held in any of various cases (listed in section 4 of the Act) where this would enlarge EU powers or reduce safeguards such as unanimous voting. So all this posturing by the EU leaders and the reaction of the markets was jumping the gun. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
So all this posturing by the EU leaders and the reaction of the markets was jumping the gun. Which was swiftly acted upon Crisis? What crisis? |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
And does the government need to follow the referendum votes? Of course not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_nuclear_power_referendum,_1980 Next year is when the first two nuclear reactors are shut down. Only for economical reasons, not because of the referendum held for more than 40 years ago. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30676 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
So all this posturing by the EU leaders and the reaction of the markets was jumping the gun. Just a profit opportunity. How do you think they get filthy rich in the first place? They do the opposite of the crowd! Isn't it nice to know the crowd is always fleeced?! |
shizaru Send message Joined: 14 Jun 04 Posts: 1130 Credit: 1,967,904 RAC: 0 |
I was thinking back these stories, Apologies, those are both fantastic articles (even a lot of the comments are great, smthg I've noticed before on Spiegel) so now I'm super-confused. What were you trying to say exactly? 'Cause it looks like I grossly misunderstood something along the way... |
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