To Lynn's post:

When the second plane hit the World trade Center I knew at once and commented to my wife: things will never be the same again.

I knew that there would have to be a trade-off between SECURITY and PRIVACY.

This phone was owned by a dead terrorist who plotted to disrupt the American way of life and instill terror in the hearts of all citizens.

I think that the phone should be cracked--better by the Government than by pestering Apple with many follow-on requests. All that may be needed is to change 10 in a software program to an infinitely large number or to cut out the particular loop in which it resides.

Seems like even our bumbling Government could spit out the code of a similar Apple phone and have a look at the structure of the operating system as to how it allows updates and what the logical flow-chart looks like.

Seems like even our bumbling Government could spit out the code of a similar Apple phone and have a look at the structure of the operating system as to how it allows updates and what the logical flow-chart looks like.

Who's to say that they can't do what you said but are asking apple coz they dont want to let on about it !

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Seems there is misinformation in the thread that must be corrected.

The gunman did not and does not own the phone in question! The phone is owned by San Bernardino County. It was issued to him for work. Obviously the FBI has the call logs from both San Bernardino and the phone company (and the NSA). They have the text messages from the phone company (and the NSA). They have the search history from the NSA. They have the last backup the phone made, before some idiot changed the Apple ID password preventing the phone for backing up its current contents. What they don't have is the pictures on the phone, the notes on the phone and the calendar on the phone.

The ironic thing is San Bernardino paid for, but didn't install, software that would remote unlock the phone!!!! Looks like there are some firings that need to be done for incompetence. No tech tool should be issued to an employee that the employer can't take over if for no other reason than disgruntled employee.

Now on to the warrant to write software. I wasn't aware a warrant served as a purchase order.

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Now on to the warrant to write software. I wasn't aware a warrant served as a purchase order.

It took me three times reading this to get the point. Go figure.

I haven't seen anything either about the F.B.I. offering to pay for the work that would be needed to do this. However- as far as I know, NO warrant includes an offer to pay the costs incurred while complying; this tends to be settled after, as far as I know.

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Now on to the warrant to write software. I wasn't aware a warrant served as a purchase order.

It took me three times reading this to get the point. Go figure.

I haven't seen anything either about the F.B.I. offering to pay for the work that would be needed to do this. However- as far as I know, NO warrant includes an offer to pay the costs incurred while complying; this tends to be settled after, as far as I know.

Fifth Amendment wrote:

nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Is the labor of the Apple employees "private property"? Is the electricity and wear and tear on Apple's computers a taking? Is depriving Apple of the use of its employees a taking?

A normal application of a warrant is to allow a government agent access to a place or thing, doing their own labor of looking. Or to have a business make a copy of its records, which there are set rates for photocopies and the labor to search the files. Somehow I don't think $15/hr and $0.10/page applies to writing software.

If this software existed, there is little question the FBI could demand a copy be produced in court. (Which means once created it goes wild) But to create it out of nothingness, I don't think that is a valid function of a warrant.

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Good point.

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Protests planned across US to back Apple in battle with FBI

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Not one phone, not one time ...
http://abc7.com/news/apple-has-received-at-least-15-federal-requests-to-unlock-iphones-in-past-5-months/1217061/

Apple has received at least fifteen court orders compelling the company to assist in extracting data from an iPhone over the past five months, including the San Bernardino case, according to court records unsealed this week.

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If you're not doing anything illegal, why should anyone care if the government monitors everything you do online?

Ask people in China, North Korea and Egypt that question. I'm sure you will get very informative answers, well, if you get candid answers.

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If you're not doing anything illegal, why should anyone care if the government monitors everything you do online?

Ask people in China, North Korea and Egypt that question. I'm sure you will get very informative answers, well, if you get candid answers.

Wow. Does Guy need a reminder of that line from "V"?
I hope he was just being sarcastic.
Because that sure as h311 isn't what a constitutional conservatibe should say.

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Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes.

I think someone implied this but not directly. Isn't it possible that the government, either the FBI, NSA or CIA, has the power to, and has already accessed the contents of the phone in question. All the legal mumbo jumbo could be a smoke screen to prevent terrorists from abandoning the use of all electronic devices out of fear that any cell phone can be hacked and reveal deep dark secrets or at least immediate terror plans.

Wouldn't it be ironic if the protection of personal privacy ended up contributing to the downfall of our way of life.

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Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

What? You don't trust President Obama? And you're not going to trust President Clinton? Why not?

Obama is the greatest President since Bill Clinton.
You know that, even though you hide behind no-identity.
Hillary will be one of the greatest Presidents ever, whatever you say behind no-identity.
You are one of the most forgettable posters ever, behind your zero-identity.
Good ol-boy Red-necks like to hide, sometimes with a hood.

Easy for a Canadian to say. If you lived in the states your opinion might be different.

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Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

Thanks for the offer but anywhere north of Florida gets too cold for me to tolerate.

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Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

Wouldn't it be ironic if the protection of personal privacy ended up contributing to the downfall of our way of life.

Bob, me thinks if you want to play in our sandbox you gotta play by our rules. As an important aside I contend if the bad guys were forced to rely upon older technology they would have less power.

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What? You don't trust President Obama? And you're not going to trust President Clinton? Why not?

Not the problem. Trust or lack of it with a POTUS doesn't matter, unless you are plotting to overthrow the POTUS. Are you?

The problem is the lifetime civil service bureaucrat whose performance bonus depends on x number of seditious traitors caught and he writes the definition of a seditious traitor.

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Ah yes, that bastion of Republican, the Congress that refuses to cut the number of jobs of government workers with guns, the ones that will march you into the gas chambers you mention.

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And back to the topic...

Apple CEO Tim Cook: Backdoor To iPhones Would Be Software Equivalent Of Cancer

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