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Message 1791127 - Posted: 28 May 2016, 3:27:36 UTC - in response to Message 1790961.  

Temporary? This trend has being going on since the 90's.

The 90's? Which 90's? the 2990's BC?
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Message 1791183 - Posted: 28 May 2016, 5:55:08 UTC - in response to Message 1791127.  
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Temporary? This trend has being going on since the 90's.

The 90's? Which 90's? the 2990's BC?

Hehe:)

But seriously I find it very scary that two world wars has not tought us that those far-right-wing movements are dangerous to all of us.

@ Clyde.
Check out Poland.
Both you and I have some connection to Poland.
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Message 1791304 - Posted: 28 May 2016, 15:51:11 UTC - in response to Message 1791260.  

Why haven't we learned the lesson of BOTH the Left and Right?

Because you call them left and right not totalitarians.
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Message 1791355 - Posted: 28 May 2016, 17:36:10 UTC - in response to Message 1791304.  

Why haven't we learned the lesson of BOTH the Left and Right?

Because you call them left and right not totalitarians.


Or at least authoritarians.
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Message 1791498 - Posted: 29 May 2016, 0:29:14 UTC - in response to Message 1791260.  

Why haven't we learned the lesson of BOTH the Left and Right?

The horseshoe theory in political science asserts that rather than the far left and the far right being at opposite and opposing ends of a linear political continuum, they in fact closely resemble one another, much like the ends of a horseshoe:)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory

A final 'Life Lesson from Onslow'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62yTg68sUQc
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Message 1791510 - Posted: 29 May 2016, 0:59:34 UTC - in response to Message 1791498.  

Why haven't we learned the lesson of BOTH the Left and Right?

The horseshoe theory in political science asserts that rather than the far left and the far right being at opposite and opposing ends of a linear political continuum, they in fact closely resemble one another, much like the ends of a horseshoe:)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory

Well, the political spectrum actually runs from totalitarian to anarchy. The left and right being totalitarian don't want people to realize there is a choice, because they would choose it.
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Message 1791529 - Posted: 29 May 2016, 1:46:05 UTC - in response to Message 1791510.  

Why haven't we learned the lesson of BOTH the Left and Right?

The horseshoe theory in political science asserts that rather than the far left and the far right being at opposite and opposing ends of a linear political continuum, they in fact closely resemble one another, much like the ends of a horseshoe:)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory

Well, the political spectrum actually runs from totalitarian to anarchy. The left and right being totalitarian don't want people to realize there is a choice, because they would choose it.

Hang on.
Most of the world countries have voting systems where the public can vote representatives to rule the country.
Rex Publica.
Do you have any examples of countries that vote for either totalitarian or anarchy regims?
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Message 1791709 - Posted: 29 May 2016, 14:29:23 UTC - in response to Message 1791699.  

Why haven't we learned the lesson of BOTH the Left and Right?

The horseshoe theory in political science asserts that rather than the far left and the far right being at opposite and opposing ends of a linear political continuum, they in fact closely resemble one another, much like the ends of a horseshoe:)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory

Well, the political spectrum actually runs from totalitarian to anarchy. The left and right being totalitarian don't want people to realize there is a choice, because they would choose it.

Hang on.
Most of the world countries have voting systems where the public can vote representatives to rule the country.
Rex Publica.
Do you have any examples of countries that vote for either totalitarian or anarchy regims?

Yes... NAZI Germany (although it wasn't a majority), Marxist Cuba, and more recently Extreme Socialist Venezuela.

However... The people didn't understand that, according to The Left and Right: That would be The Last Free Vote, that the Left or Right would permit.

As History Instructs: NEVER EVER vote to place in power, The Left or Right.

It will be The Last Free Vote you will have.

You forgot North Korea:)
99.9% of the voters turn up on voting day to elect Kim Jong-un.
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Message 1791729 - Posted: 29 May 2016, 15:51:33 UTC - in response to Message 1791709.  

You forgot North Korea:)
99.9% of the voters turn up on voting day to elect Kim Jong-un.

Totally free elections in the DPRK. Everyone loves Kim. He gets 100% of the votes cast.

BTW Clyde, is Kim right or left? If he is left then there must be great social freedom in DPRK and little economic freedom. If he is right there must be great economic freedom in DPRK and little social freedom. Otherwise he must be a center.
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Message 1791983 - Posted: 30 May 2016, 5:11:18 UTC - in response to Message 1791926.  

No... I am not a Centrist.
Is your name Kim?
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Message 1792138 - Posted: 30 May 2016, 16:11:52 UTC - in response to Message 1792089.  

No... I am not a Centrist.
Is your name Kim?

Hi Gary...

Are we going to nee another round of Bobby?
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=78864&postid=1791729 wrote:
BTW Clyde, is Kim right or left?

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Message 1796955 - Posted: 18 Jun 2016, 0:01:09 UTC

Weeell, it's taken a bit over a year for most to admit but now even the Beeb knows it's kosher to do so:

"Instead, debt relief will be phased in from 2018, after Germany's general election late next year. Berlin is one of the main opponents to forgiving part of Greece's debt.

As such, the deal was being seen by many as a compromise intended to buy time."


http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36558406
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Message 1799387 - Posted: 29 Jun 2016, 16:15:59 UTC

Well, the large company that owns my "local" supermarket just went bankrupt. Been around since 1962 apparently. They used to have ties with Carrefour (and a while back, to a much lesser degree with Marks & Spencer). Pretty sure the company also brought over and run all the Starbucks in the country.

On another note:
Happy Birthday Capital Controls!
1 Year anniversary

Can't send 10 bucks to SETI with a pre-paid MasterCard FFS.

And if Seti had PayPal, I wouldn't be able to use that either.
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Message 1799403 - Posted: 29 Jun 2016, 17:12:59 UTC - in response to Message 1799387.  

Well, the large company that owns my "local" supermarket just went bankrupt. Been around since 1962 apparently. They used to have ties with Carrefour (and a while back, to a much lesser degree with Marks & Spencer). Pretty sure the company also brought over and run all the Starbucks in the country.

On another note:
Happy Birthday Capital Controls!
1 Year anniversary

Can't send 10 bucks to SETI with a pre-paid MasterCard FFS.

And if Seti had PayPal, I wouldn't be able to use that either.

It does have PayPal and also Bitcoin
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_donate.php
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Message 1799460 - Posted: 29 Jun 2016, 20:57:55 UTC - in response to Message 1799403.  
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Well that's new.

Because last Summer or so I had to email Uli and ask for her PP... instead she told me she'd contact me when she gets to London and then I would wire the money to Chris S (via PP) for him to give to her. Of course, by that time, we all forgot :)

Good news, Seti now has PP :)
Bad news... still useless to someone with a Greek bank account :(
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Message 1799463 - Posted: 29 Jun 2016, 21:05:50 UTC - in response to Message 1799460.  

Bad news... still useless to someone with a Greek bank account :(

Have to open an account in Liechtenstein! Then you can send and receive cash from anywhere and no tax man knows anything.
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Message 1800208 - Posted: 2 Jul 2016, 23:06:15 UTC

A lot more austerity being administered to Greece right now and all through 2016, meaning Greece is still nowhere near hitting bottom. Things are getting worse here by the day. But who cares, right?

Stupid German politicians, with their stupid fixation on being the control freaks of a whole continent, and a stupid little CDU somehow rationalizing that a stupid little party no-one cares about and it's stupid little upcoming elections are reason enough to grind Europe down.

But of course that's what narcissists & psychopaths do. Make themselves the center of the universe, demand your attention, create high stress scenarios to get said attention, all while being completely unable to even GLIMPSE into the future and how it might play out.

Elections uber alles. Fantastic plan.
At least the EU is super-efficient when there aren't any elections on the horizon.
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THESE Germans are crazy.

Meanwhile in Greece:
Unemployment still over 24%
Youth unemployment still around 50%
So I guess The Great Depression was for pu**ies.

Europe still pretending it's not a jackboot on the throat but "reforms".
Awesome.

Even Steve Jobs would be envious of a Reality Distortion Field of this magnitude.

:(

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IMF Predicts Unemployment In Greece Will Fall To 12 Percent.... By 2040
http://www.forbes.com/sites/francescoppola/2016/05/23/imf-predicts-unemployment-in-greece-will-fall-to-12-percent-by-2040/

"So even if the Greek economy returns to growth and its creditors agree to debt relief, it will take 44 years to reduce Greek unemployment to something approaching normal. For Greece’s young people currently out of work, that is all of their working life. A whole generation will have been consigned to the scrapheap."
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Message 1800214 - Posted: 2 Jul 2016, 23:28:35 UTC - in response to Message 1800208.  

Youth unemployment still around 50%

Thats very scary.
Here it's "only" 25%.
That's the generation that will have to support the eldery generations in a near future.
Or will they?
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Message 1800217 - Posted: 2 Jul 2016, 23:44:28 UTC - in response to Message 1800214.  
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That's the generation that will have to support the eldery generations in a near future.
Or will they?


They will... but from their own pockets and from OUTSIDE the country ;)

What's really a shame is that Greek kids probably have the same level of education (and number of educated people) as Sweden & Finland.

Problem is, last time I checked, they were leaving in the hundreds of thousands.

(Or so it was claimed)
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Message 1800218 - Posted: 2 Jul 2016, 23:51:21 UTC - in response to Message 1800217.  

What's really a shame is that Greek kids probably have the same level of education (and number of educated people) as Sweden & Finland.
Problem is, last time I checked, they were leaving in the hundreds of thousands.

As I understand it that's the plan, an educated labor force for Germany which has a low birth rate.
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