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Who said Religious Freedom 'Trumps', Press Freedom, Speech Freedoms, and other Freedoms stated, or implied, in the US Constitution?

I certainly didn't.

My point is that Religious Freedom, is nor Inferior to the other Freedoms.

As some, in this Thread, believe.

No one in this thread has said that religious freedom is an inferior freedom. All anyone has said is that religious freedom should not be used as an excuse to discriminate. Big difference.

We disagree about Individual, Non-Big Business Freedoms.

Individuals, including Bigoted Black, Asian, White, can associate, shop at, or with, or against whomever they wish.

True Freedom. in the American Culture, means protecting The Rights of very Evil People.

Thereby allowing Nazis to march through a Jewish Neighborhood, Marxists to teach in our Universities, etc.

In the American Culture and Thinking: If you do not protect The Rights of those who you, perhaps correctly believe a Evil: Your Rights will eventually be destroyed.

I personally believe that those who believe in a God, are Insane.

I personally believe that Marxists, Communists, Progressives, Left Wing, as with the Nazis, KKK, Right Wing, are imbued with an inner hatred. That they wish to impose upon others.

So?

In The USA - The above, have the same, not Inferior Rights, as the Sane, Ethical, Non-Hating Majority.

You are conflating the right to freedom of speech (protected by the constitution) with the right to deny service (outlawed in many jurisdictions and nowhere to be found in the constitution). Which might explain why the ACLU will defend a nazi march through Skokie and a gay couple denied service by a for-profit business.

You may be in favor of segregation, the law is not in your favor (or of those that would like to deny service to others for prejudicial reasons). Shame the title of this thread isn't a little more honest, "damned hard to be a segregationist these days ..." is perhaps more accurate, though I suspect you won't agree.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

You are conflating the right to freedom of speech (protected by the constitution) with the right to deny service (outlawed in many jurisdictions and nowhere to be found in the constitution). Which might explain why the ACLU will defend a nazi march through Skokie and a gay couple denied service by a for-profit business.

You may be in favor of segregation, the law is not in your favor (or of those that would like to deny service to others for prejudicial reasons). Shame the title of this thread isn't a little more honest, "damned hard to be a segregationist these days ..." is perhaps more accurate, though I suspect you won't agree.

Bobby, he jut doesn't read the correct in depth fact based news sources ... http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/7/7/increasing-tensions-over-amish-traditional-practices-as-community-grows.html
Drive your horse and buggy on the double nickel highway at night without a light or a reflector, because it is your religion. Apparently it is your religion to give someone a case of PTSD after they spatter you, your horse and your buggy all over the road.

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I was raised in both the African Methodist Episcopal Church (A.M.E) and the Episcopal Church and I respect and enjoy the religious freedom that Amendment I of the Constitution expresses"

AmendmentI:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of
religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging
the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right
of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the
Government for a redress of grievances.

My question is this - If we are guaranteed the freedom of religion, are we not also guaranteed the freedom from religion?

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I don't buy computers, I build them!!

My question is this - If we are guaranteed the freedom of religion, are we not also guaranteed the freedom from religion?

Building (and I would argue maintaining) "a wall of separation between church and state" (Jefferson's words) protects both those who practice religion and those who do not.

All of us who are for the separation of church and state are on the same team, whether we have the gift of faith, or not.

All of us who are for the separation of church and state are on the same team, whether we have the gift of faith, or not.

Well said, +1

My question is this - If we are guaranteed the freedom of religion, are we not also guaranteed the freedom from religion?

Building (and I would argue maintaining) "a wall of separation between church and state" (Jefferson's words) protects both those who practice religion and those who do not.

All of us who are for the separation of church and state are on the same team, whether we have the gift of faith, or not.

The US is a wonderful place, with that wall in place. On one hand it lets you burn Korans http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/04/29/pastor-terry-jones-burns-koran-to-protest-iranian-pastors-imprisonment/ or the flag http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/texasvjohnson.html, but it also lets you buy wedding cakes for gay marriage. It does not have a Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice although it does not stop people protesting for one.

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Cliff...

Your argument is also disingenuous.

Not at all, but you conflate two separate issues, actions and speaking. That is the item that is disingenuous!

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It's really not that hard to be a Christian these days Mark.

Just don't try and force your beliefs on others and you'll get far, both personally and in business. ;-)

Cheers.

I'm not a believer in the "big guy upstairs", but his book still gets a lot of press. In fact, it wasn't difficult at all to find this lovely website:

http://www.openbible.info/topics/social_justice

Wishing you well in your journey, Mark.

It's really not that hard to be a Christian these days Mark.

Just don't try and force your beliefs on others and you'll get far, both personally and in business. ;-)

Cheers.

And force your beliefs upon Muslims, or any other Religion?

Tolerance, and belief in Freedom for All. Is a Two Way Street.

What is your issue with Muslims? And what has it to do with this thread?

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

It's really not that hard to be a Christian these days Mark.

Just don't try and force your beliefs on others and you'll get far, both personally and in business. ;-)

Cheers.

And force your beliefs upon Muslims, or any other Religion?

Tolerance, and belief in Freedom for All. Is a Two Way Street.

What is your issue with Muslims? And what has it to do with this thread?

You're not expecting Clyde to know what goes on inside his own head do you?

He just likes to make stupid posts. ;-)

Cheers.

It's really not that hard to be a Christian these days Mark.

Just don't try and force your beliefs on others and you'll get far, both personally and in business. ;-)

Cheers.

And force your beliefs upon Muslims, or any other Religion?

Tolerance, and belief in Freedom for All. Is a Two Way Street.

What is your issue with Muslims? And what has it to do with this thread?

There is no issue with Muslims of course. He just has to throw out the chum to see if there are any bites. However all he has done is foul the water.

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I read the first few posts and here's my take. It's not hard to be a Christian, just practice what you preach and even better quit preaching. I believe in the principals of Christ's teachings and think the world would be a better place if more people who claim to be christians would behave like christians.

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Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

It's really not that hard to be a Christian these days Mark.

Just don't try and force your beliefs on others and you'll get far, both personally and in business. ;-)

Cheers.

And force your beliefs upon Muslims, or any other Religion?

Tolerance, and belief in Freedom for All. Is a Two Way Street.

What is your issue with Muslims? And what has it to do with this thread?

There is no issue with Muslims of course. He just has to throw out the chum to see if there are any bites. However all he has done is foul the water.

"According to Pipes and Fischer, Lenin was intolerant of opposition and often dismissed opinions that differed from his own outright"

Sounds like someone else we know.

"According to Pipes and Fischer, Lenin was intolerant of opposition and often dismissed opinions that differed from his own outright"

Sounds like someone else we know.

The real question is what causes that antisocial viewpoint?

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"According to Pipes and Fischer, Lenin was intolerant of opposition and often dismissed opinions that differed from his own outright"

Sounds like someone else we know.

The real question is what causes that antisocial viewpoint?

Just being antisocial by nature?

Cheers.

It's really not that hard to be a Christian these days Mark.

Just don't try and force your beliefs on others and you'll get far, both personally and in business. ;-)

Cheers.

True enough. Your insight is quite correct.

And I don't believe I try to do so.
However, I am not and shall not ever be silent on things I believe in, so I do get more vocal than some.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

Just being antisocial by nature?

Wiggo that gets really deep, such as who or what is nature? If we are "lucky" we might get ID back.
Edit, after thinking about it for a half hour or so I believe a random mutation can explain it.

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I was raised in both the African Methodist Episcopal Church (A.M.E) and the Episcopal Church and I respect and enjoy the religious freedom that Amendment I of the Constitution expresses"

AmendmentI:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of
religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging
the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right
of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the
Government for a redress of grievances.

My question is this - If we are guaranteed the freedom of religion, are we not also guaranteed the freedom from religion?

Cliff, do you mean freedom from religion as imposed by government or freedom from the religion of other individuals?

What is freedom of religion?

Can the government give you this without having to decide what is a religion? Does the government having to define religion make freedom or religion impossible?

This is a serious question that does not have an easy answer in the traditional sense. So many of us are rooted in Abrahamic religious practices that we would not find other practices to be religious at all. If the Government were to use such a test it would fail to give freedom to other practices, such as offerings to the volcano god.

Government must not fall into the trap of only making rules that the followers of Abraham would enjoy, but make rules for a corporal reason. For instance a rule preventing offerings be left to the gods, but a rule for sanitation purposes preventing litter being left to rot. So they can make their offering, but before it rots and becomes a health hazard they have to clean it up.

Then there is freedom from religion. Does this mean that the individual gets to shut out the world? Many troglodytes would enjoy that, but religions that believe in proselytizing would hate it. Or does this mean the Government will not adopt a religion and all laws need to be based on demonstrable facts. For instance a law against murder, not a law against human sacrifice.

The happy medium would not give tax breaks to religions, so that the government never has to decide is a particular practice is a religion and hence tax free, or weigh in on what isn't a religion and hence taxed.

The happy medium would not target a religious practice, but have rational reason to place restrictions on conduct or encouraging it.

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