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Gordon Lowe Send message Joined: 5 Nov 00 Posts: 12094 Credit: 6,317,865 RAC: 0 |
Is it FINALLY time for the American people to ditch the two tired, old parties and pursue some others? Trump could start his own party! ;~) The mind is a weird and mysterious place |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
Is it FINALLY time for the American people to ditch the two tired, old parties and pursue some others? Why should he? He has the Republican party all but sewn up right now, much to the chagrin of Conservative (and many Mainstream) Republicans. Starting a new political party can take years, possibly decades... and cost a HECK of a lot of money. Much easier (and cheaper) to just do a hostile-takeover of the GOP... Like he pretty much has done. |
Gordon Lowe Send message Joined: 5 Nov 00 Posts: 12094 Credit: 6,317,865 RAC: 0 |
I agree, but it would have been much more interesting for him to put his money where his mouth is, and start his own. The mind is a weird and mysterious place |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19103 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
You all DID notice that the Obama administration has finally acknowledged late last week that Clinton had Top Secret stuff on that illegal home email-server she was using? The home email server is not illegal. Using it for government business is only a minor offence. Those emails that were classified, were apparently ones she had originated, and therefore not classified at that time. Did the Department that classified them inform her? If not then it is still a minor offence. If yes then she has committed an offence but not a traitorous one. And don't forget many documents are over classified and/or it only applies to a small part of the whole document. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19103 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Is it FINALLY time for the American people to ditch the two tired, old parties and pursue some others? Has he, some analysts say because there are so many GOP candidates it is not difficult to be in the lead with the support he has, but a lot of the supporters of the other GOP candidates have apparently said they will not vote for him if he the chosen one. They also say another reason he has any support from the GOP hierarchy is because they are absolutely 110% against Cruz. Question. Since 1980 how many eventual Republican nominee's have won in the caucuses? |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
Is it FINALLY time for the American people to ditch the two tired, old parties and pursue some others? Isn't that what I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30698 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
You all DID notice that the Obama administration has finally acknowledged late last week that Clinton had Top Secret stuff on that illegal home email-server she was using? That would be incorrect, because she would not have invented classified material, she regurgitated it from other classified materials she had seen. So she declassified information without authorization. Much more serious. IIRC wasn't at least one item found SCI? |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30698 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Why should he? He has the Republican party all but sewn up right now, much to the chagrin of Conservative (and many Mainstream) Republicans. Yes, those Mainstream republicans, about 75% or the total - who now are split between the rest of the field - will not vote for Trump under any circumstances. If he is unable to morph into a Mainstream republican (Reagan pragmatism - not likely) they will vote democrat, for the first time in their life, just to stop Trump. He possibly would end up without any electoral college votes, even from the reddest of red states. Of course this may be his plan, to ensure Hillary wins with the biggest landslide in history. |
Gordon Lowe Send message Joined: 5 Nov 00 Posts: 12094 Credit: 6,317,865 RAC: 0 |
Of course this may be his plan, to ensure Hillary wins with the biggest landslide in history. I don't think Trump plans anything other than his own win to the Presidency. He's doing it his way. The mind is a weird and mysterious place |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
Is it FINALLY time for the American people to ditch the two tired, old parties and pursue some others? The tobacco industry 'owned' both parties. Koch brothers aren't really republican, but are libertarian. You have the situation backwards with the Tea Party. The Republican party too control of them in order to defuse their threat to the status quo. So, yeah... Trump has a much better chance. |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
Is it FINALLY time for the American people to ditch the two tired, old parties and pursue some others? Not sure whether you read the source I linked, in it you'll see that the Tea Party was to a large degree an invention of the tobacco industry and the Koch brothers, rather than the grass roots organization it was portrayed as by Fox and others. On the "situation backwards", do you believe that the Tea Party was not interested in a hostile-takeover of the GOP? Interesting, I wonder if former Speaker John Andrew Boehner would agree with you. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
You all DID notice that the Obama administration has finally acknowledged late last week that Clinton had Top Secret stuff on that illegal home email-server she was using? Yep. Although, according to the last information I have seen, it is 3. The latest figure I have seen on the total number of e-mails found so far with classified information at all levels is a bit over 1300. These emails got copied over from the secure government e-mail system to the public e-mail system (you can not send an email from the secure system to the unsecure one) so that they could be sent to Clinton's home-system. This is definitely mishandling of classified information. There have been multiple convictions (ironically during Clinton's term as SecState, and yes she DID condemn the people for the mishandling of the classified information) of people copying classified materials from secure systems over to their personal systems. Even WITHOUT 'intent to distribute', they were still sentenced to felony terms. Now then, earlier I mentioned 'intent to distribute'. The bulk of these e-mails appear to just have been used by Clinton for her work... BUT... It appears that several people DID gain access to some of the classified information, made a boat-load of money using said information, and then donated substantial amounts of money to the Clinton Foundation. Last I heard, the FBI had 150+ agents investigating just this. Where there is smoke there is usually fire, and Clinton has one heck of a lot of smoke around her. |
Bob DeWoody Send message Joined: 9 May 10 Posts: 3387 Credit: 4,182,900 RAC: 10 |
Well, at least the voting republicans in Iowa didn't choose Trump but not by much. Now, can I support Ted Cruz for President. Bob DeWoody My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events. |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11362 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Now, can I support Ted Cruz for President. Bob, that's in very poor taste. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30698 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Well, at least the voting republicans in Iowa didn't choose Trump but not by much. Now, can I support Ted Cruz for President. Well, the most important number is 76% of republicans didn't vote for Trump. Imagine that number in the national election for president. So per http://www.people-press.org/2015/04/07/a-deep-dive-into-party-affiliation/ Based on 2014 data, 39% identify as independents, 32% as Democrats and 23% as Republicans. So 32% of the vote goes Democrat by default. Only 24% of the 23% Republican goes for Trump, a measly 5.5%, the rest stay home. He has to convince 85% of the independents to vote for him to get elected. Not going to happen with what has come out of his mouth so far. Worse, if that 76% of Republican shows up and votes democrat because they can't stand Trump, he has to convince 100% of the independents to vote for him. Trump is not a viable candidate in a national election. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19103 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
So on that vote the nominee will be Rubio, I would presume. |
bluestar Send message Joined: 5 Sep 12 Posts: 7038 Credit: 2,084,789 RAC: 3 |
Should I get involved with this? The last thing I would know about in life are secrets being found on a government server. Are you supposed to be trusting politicians who we are thinking should be in charge, or are you supposed to be trusting the police anymore because of their authority when it comes to dealing with certain things? Are there any police present which is able to open Hillary Clinton's private e-mail correspondence for possible review? My best guess is that Hillary would have had Bernie Sanders private e-mail opened up if she wish. Remember she is not the one who wish to be put off when it comes to certain decisions being made. In my opinion, none of the candidates are good choices when it comes to be handed a certain position. There are certain times when a dictator needs to be confronted, but there also happens to be times of peace. If only one voice is supposed to be heard, or able to make the final decision, we only are back to the same old problems. |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51469 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
Should I get involved with this? Should any of us be entrusted, by our communal vote, to make this decision? Dunno, but that's the way the constitution was written, and has since been corrupted. Trump may well be the most worthy candidate. I for only MY opinion, do not fear him. I think that a man with the thought of realizing that the budget should be run like a corporation might be a good thing for this country....... IE, one that knows that a company run in the red will soon collapse. And perhaps the budget sheets should balance for a change. The Iowa bit shows that he no longer has the challenging lead, I suppose. But he is not done yet, kids. He will recamp, recoup, and rechallenge. I think he is still a viable candidate for president. And I know.........to forestall some criticism............. He is not the world's best statesman on world issues. He speaks off the cuff. But, like all presidents before him, he, once elected, will have many advisors to guide him. Not one president before him was all knowing when elected. Not even JFK. "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster |
Mark Stevenson Send message Joined: 8 Sep 11 Posts: 1736 Credit: 174,899,165 RAC: 91 |
Thats true Mark , my Auntie lives in Hayward Wisconsin she married my uncle when he was station at the ( ex )twin airbases near me . She recons the ONLY good thing about Trump is hes not in anyones pocket . Life is what you make of it :-) When i'm good i'm very good , but when i'm bad i'm shi#eloads better ;-) In't I " buttercups " p.m.s.l at authoritie !!;-) |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51469 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
Thats true Mark , my Auntie lives in Hayward Wisconsin she married my uncle when he was station at the ( ex )twin airbases near me . And that is why I am somewhat intrigued by his candidacy. He holds his own pockets. Is not beholden to any that I know of. Can fund whatever he needs to do on his own. So, if he get into office, what will the rest of them do? They will panic./ Because they cannot buy him off. And that would be the first time in decades or eons that that has been true. He is scaring a lot of people. But not for the reasons the left wing press is accusing him of. He is going to toss a lot of people off of their cushy thrones. And THAT is what they are scared of. "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster |
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