To add to my response to Clyde's question:

Two people I see often have expressed support for Trump. One of them was a relaxed guy at the time of the 2012 elections. I can't tell you who he voted for because I don't know, but he didn't spout anti-Obama rhetoric. However, since July of this year, he's talked to me and others about conspiracy theories, owning a gun, having witnessed greater military activity, worry that Obama's coming after his gun, etc. ... .

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Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes.

I just find it so amazing that most of you Yanks will support a racist bigot warmonger over someone that can see the light (maybe Obama should be allowed to run another term, even kicking & screaming it may just get yous up to the late 20th century instead of the 18/19th). ;-)

Maybe it has something to do with the side of the road you people drive on. :-(

Cheers.

I am *FOR* the constitution, as written, as intended, as originally meant.

Human nature has not changed in a mere 239 years. Technology has, but not human nature.

You support slavery?

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Donald Trump may be our last hope. (edit: to hold off a currency reset.)

It's such a shame Donald Trump comes across like a complete bell end to most people outside America , he's a f-ing joke and seams like Americans can't see that , your problem not ours unless he becomes president then everyone's fuc#ed :-)[/quote]

Ya see, this is why people are angry.

People will believe you when you understand how the 14th and the commerce clause work. Your type doesn't want the 14th, at least not what it says, you want to "interpret it" to mean your idea of what you wish it said.

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I am *FOR* the constitution, as written, as intended, as originally meant.

Human nature has not changed in a mere 239 years. Technology has, but not human nature.

You support slavery?

Ya see, this is why people are angry.

When I say I'm for the constitution, you demonstrate liberal Tourette’s Syndrome and start accusing me of things like this.

It’s just constantly saying the words racist, sexist, bigoted, and homophobe. It’s an old saying in the law; if you have the law on your side, argue the law. If you have the facts on your side, argue the facts. If you have neither, pound the table. This is pounding the table.

This is a kind of intellectual poverty.

Donald Trump may be our last hope. (edit: to hold off a currency reset.)

Article I Section 2:

Representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned among the several states which may be included within this union, according to their respective numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole number of free persons, including those bound to service for a term of years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.

Who were the "three fifths of all other Persons"?

Why was the 13th Amendment passed in 1865 (150 years ago)?

The fact is that slavery was codified in the constitution as it was written 228 years ago and that's the document you stated you are for as it was originally written, intended and meant. Thus my direct and closed question that you have not answered. You support slavery?

Note, I don't believe you support slavery, nor is there an accusation that you do, I believe that you do not support the US Constitution as it was written and that human nature has changed in the 228 years since it was written, specifically the majority of US citizens today find slavery abhorrent, which does not seem to be the case 239 (or 228) years ago. I suspect, if you paused and thought about it for a moment, you'd probably agree, though as such thoughts conflict with your stated point, that the US Constitution was perfect as written, you won't pause for that moment.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

I doubt that the Donald Trump we see on television bears much resemblance to the real Donald Trump. Of course this makes it almost impossible to figure out where he really stands on the critical issues. Even if elected he can't run the country by himself. Obama found this to be true early during his tenure. I very much doubt that we would like living in the USA that he envisioned. I still doubt that Trump will get the republican nomination but I don't see where the other candidates stand a prayer of beating Hillary Clinton.

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Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

Why do you believe I don't support the 27 amendments to the constitution?

Until you say you do, your comment about as originally written, etc suggests that you do not. If you support the 13th amendment, then you do not support the constitution as it was originally written. Thus far you have not corrected your statement about the constitution as it was originally written, nor have you stated your opposition to slavery, despite being asked directly, twice. A third pass at the opportunity to answer the direct question will not go unnoticed. You support slavery?

Why do you support everything the federal government is doing outside the constitution?

On what basis do you believe this to be true?

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Guy you stated in Message 1750587

I am *FOR* the constitution, as written, as intended, as originally meant.

The amendments came after the constitution was written, if your quote is true then you don't support them.

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America needs The Donald!


edit:
The world needs America to elect The Donald.....

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Another Left Wing, Internally Hate Filled, Bigot.

"Mr. Obama also argued that some of the scorn directed at him personally stems from the fact that he is the first African-American to hold the White House."

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/22/us/politics/president-obama-accuses-donald-trump-of-exploiting-working-class-fears.html

The Evil Right: Blacks are (Negatives), Women are (negatives), Gays are (negatives), Jew are (negatives), etc.

The Evil Left: Whites are (negatives), Men are (negatives), Christians are (negatives), etc.

Shows they are Two Peas in the same Evil Pod.

How do we protect ourselves from their scourge?

You believe that none of the scorn directed at President Obama stems from the fact that he is the first African-American to hold the office?

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Why do you believe I don't support the 27 amendments to the constitution?

Until you say you do, your comment about as originally written, etc suggests that you do not. If you support the 13th amendment, then you do not support the constitution as it was originally written. Thus far you have not corrected your statement about the constitution as it was originally written, nor have you stated your opposition to slavery, despite being asked directly, twice. A third pass at the opportunity to answer the direct question will not go unnoticed. You support slavery?

Why do you support everything the federal government is doing outside the constitution?

On what basis do you believe this to be true?

Just making broad, unsubstantiated assumptions about you, just like you're doing to me. Some how or another, I'm supposed to justify everything I say, but you are exempt from that rule.

Where is the broad, unsubstantiated assumption about you? You declared support for constitution as originally written. I asked whether you supported slavery (as slavery is codified in the constitution as originally written). Despite asking the question 3 times, you have not answered it.

The reason for the question mark at the end of "You support slavery" was that you were being asked a question, a period would have indicated a statement. That you haven't answered this simple question in the negative, while at the same time are unchanged in your support of the constitution as it was originally written and intended, suggests that you do support slavery.

Earlier in this thread you said that you'd only answer closed questions from me. Seems you won't even do that.

I'll add one word to the question to see if that change elicits a response:

Do you support slavery?

[this is an edited version of Message 1750883 with typos corrected]

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

I always thought that the Constitution as written made no comment about slavery one way or the other as that was the only way the southern colonies would sign on.

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Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

I always thought that the Constitution as written made no comment about slavery one way or the other as that was the only way the southern colonies would sign on.

While the word slavery does not appear in the Constitution as written, slavery was codified in the document as detailed earlier in this thread. The answer to the question: Who were the "three fifths of all other Persons"? shows this, they were slaves.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Why do you think my definitive statement ended 5 July 1776?

I thought you were discussing the constitution. Apparently you were not. Otherwise you would have written September 18, 1787. Stop revising history!

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