Americans didn't create crypto-currencies, it's a global thingy.

oh right it just appeared ok if you say so funy how all the organisations are based in the states

Like i don't know it's not backed by the the U.S tresury . And if you say it's not being used by criminals to hide or money launder ill take your word for it .

And so how it is as you say large transactions are noticed maybe so but, what can your government do about it then.

Wonder what your government can do if i buy BTC in say China and send it to someone in ow say Siria ............

And i spose if i bought say just one block chain and split it up into smaller pieces just so i could send someone a message with the coin would your government notice that ..........

And if they can monitor things like you say . Why haven't they been able to stop Isis from getting the funds to fight there war ......
and of cause all those trators fom my own country are not teck savy so they would not know about it would they . Seeing as Australian are very tech savvy you can bet they do know and are using it just like they are using the net to get supporters to follow them , there very net savvy for a organisation of uneducated farmers

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Since infinitely many private keys can be made, no government could possess them all.

Nonsense!
My source is this but it's in Postscript format so I will explain later if some wants to.
•Paper by Ravi Ganesan and Alan T. Sherman: Statistical Techniques for Language Recognition
http://www.cs.umbc.edu/pub/REPORTS/cs-93-02.ps

http://www.sans.org/reading-room/whitepapers/vpns/prime-numbers-public-key-cryptography-969. Primes (numerical or polynomial) are heavily relied upon in the creation of keys. http://primes.utm.edu/notes/proofs/infinite/euclids.html 2300 or was so, Euclid proved there are infinitely many primes.

Thanks for your links.
Very good and informative.
Even the old Greeks knew how to do it:)

I like to add Factorization.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factorization
Factorization is used when breaking a key.
Even super computer have problem to do this massive calculation.
Experiments with quantum computers are being done to do this instead.
So far I Think they succeded to factorize 15:)

Well jan i think that someone who cuts and pastes from the internet and
tries to pass it off as their own words is someone who
"Doesn't know what he's talking about", or is a phony. Take your pick.

I take it as an insult.

Chris just because i have the Bible code does not mean i think i know more than others what it does mean is im not totally ignorant about how they code break . And seeing as you don't get the importance of crypto and how dangerous it is in the wrong hands .

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A pine box is slang for a coffin. Now can we please get back to discussing codes and ciphers, in the context of the Enigma machines, which I believe was the original intention of this thread. Don't forget also the German Lorenz machines which was also decrypted.

Why don't you PM Sirius B and ask what his intention is.
Back to all form of Codes & Cyphers.
Not only Enigma because it is so very well known.

Chris the only thing the Enigma machine has to do with Crypto currency's as far as i'm concerned is the lesson that encryption has to teach and ,that it is dangerous . So you understand why i'm a bit peed of with America is the fact we are at war and relesing it at this time is very stupid and i believe it will come back and bite us all . I just can not believe they are so dam naive . So i will let you talk about the Enigma machine the doco's i've seen say England did get a enigma machine from a sub and England only had 3 months to crack it or they would have had to surrender .

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doco's i've seen say England did get a enigma machine from a sub and England only had 3 months to crack it or they would have had to surrender .

OK fair enough, which website or Wiki can I see them on?

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You are right Glenn.
The Royal Navy found an Enigma in the German submarine U-559 at dawn on 30 October 1942
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_submarine_U-559

The German crew hurriedly scrambled overboard without destroying their codebooks or Enigma machine and, crucially, having failed to open sea-water vents to properly scuttle the U-boat. Three Royal Navy sailors, Lieutenant Anthony Fasson, Able Seaman Colin Grazier and NAAFI canteen assistant Tommy Brown, then boarded the abandoned submarine

I already gave that quote

Some people believe what they want to believe no mater if the evidence is right in front of them.

Either that or there is a language problem.

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My memory is not what it used to be.
http://uboat.net/technical/enigma_breaking.htm
The British codebreakers at Bletchley Park received an Enigma machine and rotors I to V from the Polish Cipher Bureau in August 1939. Marian Rejewski, an outstanding Polish cryptanalyst, had reconstructed the wiring of rotors I to III at the end of 1932 using mathematical techniques, and the wiring of rotors IV and V before the war began (he had also developed his bomba kryptologiczna in 1938 to aid him to break Enigma - an idea Turing later emulated). The British recovered rotors VI and VII from the crew of U-33 on 12 February 1940, while rotor VIII was captured in August 1940.

I already gave that quote

Some people believe what they want to believe no mater if the evidence is right in front of them.

Either that or there is a language problem.

What evidence? Please give some sources.
I will help you.
https://www.google.se/#q=breaking%20enigma%20code

Yes there is a language problem here Bernie, which is why at times things have to be spelt out simply, and twice. But there is also another problem here with far too many people just trawling the web for info, misreading what they think they see, and claiming it to be the gospel truth.

This is Seti politics, it will never change :-))

Sorry to hear that:(:(:(

Something not discussed here is understanding how the encryption machines work is only part of the problem. The problem you have after that is to find the settings for the machine each day. The biggest aid is the fact that the germans were creatures of habit. The only had a few ways of starting each message so by understanding who sent the message, you knew what the first few letters of the message were. You then plugged them in a machine and the machine went through the combinations of codes until it found a wheel setting that decrypted the text. With so few characters the first combination wasn't always right so you tested it and if it was wrong, you continued looking for another setting. The naval code was double encrypted with letter substation and enigma which required getting the substation tables from a captured sub. Because the tables could go out of date it was urgent to get the subs under control as fast as possible before the tables went out of date.

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Something not discussed here is understanding how the encryption machines work is only part of the problem. The problem you have after that is to find the settings for the machine each day. The biggest aid is the fact that the germans were creatures of habit.

You are right. The germans didn't follow the orders.
It's called key management and it is the weak part of the chain.
Even today.
For every message you HAVE to change the key setting like its done today.
Thats how Bletcher park found a way to read the messages.
It took time but Turing and his team made some fantastic new methods in pattern recognitions and many messages could be read.
Well reading those decoded messages is still very hard.
You have to analyze them further and use your imagination:)

Here is a cracked Uboat message from WWII:)
leitungvvvuuustuetzpktxwwwhavenxxfffttteunszwozwovierhuermitvrrhhhvvvgeloest

Do we have an answer to this "Hmfoo, ipx bsf zpv?"?

Something not discussed here is understanding how the encryption machines work is only part of the problem. The problem you have after that is to find the settings for the machine each day. The biggest aid is the fact that the germans were creatures of habit.

You are right. The germans didn't follow the orders.
For every message you HAVE to change the key setting like its done today.
Thats how Bletcher park found a way to read the messages.
It took time but Turning and his team made some fantastic new methods in pattern recognitions and many messages could be read.
Well reading those decoded messages is still very hard.
You have to analyze them further and use your imagination:)

Even had they followed orders, they might have started every message with "From the Commander" (in german) which was plenty to seed the search. There weren't any orders about this as the Germans figure as long as the messages were short, we wouldn't see patterns in the data. Little did they know they were putting a formal pattern at the start of each message.
Once the standard greetings were known, it was simply a matter of wiring it into a Bombe and waiting for a solution to pop out of the machine.
Turning and the crew did some fantastic work because the took the impossible and turned it into something that an operator with a little training could do

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Something not discussed here is understanding how the encryption machines work is only part of the problem. The problem you have after that is to find the settings for the machine each day.

Exactly, 100% correct Dena! Thank you for pointing that out. I did try to tell people that, but some here through language problems, and "other" reasons, wouldn't listen. That was exactly why the Bombe and Colossus machines were built and used to cut down the decryption times.

On my iPhone is The Secret Lives of Codebreakers. I may never make it to Bletchley Park but it's the next best thing.

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Even had they followed orders, they might have started every message with "From the Commander" (in german) which was plenty to seed the search. There weren't any orders about this as the Germans figure as long as the messages were short, we wouldn't see patterns in the data. Little did they know they were putting a formal pattern at the start of each message.
Once the standard greetings were known, it was simply a matter of wiring it into a Bombe and waiting for a solution to pop out of the machine.
Turning and the crew did some fantastic work because the took the impossible and turned it into something that an operator with a little training could do

You are totally wrong!
Check internet and Youtube and you will find the facts.

Real Enigma message "decoded" from a german uboat in the North Atlantic during WWII.

FNYG MXHU broken
Today around 02:30 GMT+2 ThrasherX-17 from team Keep The Fire Alive! returned the plaintext of 76 letters long FNYG MXHU message:
leitungvvvuuustuetzpktxwwwhavenxxfffttteunszwozwovierhuermitvrrhhhvvvgeloest
unszwozwovier is 1224 in German.

The message says:
"AN LEITUNG VON U BOOT STUETZPUNKT WILHELMSHAVEN: FUNKTELEGRAMM EINS ZWO ZWO VIER HIER MIT RHV GELOEST"
Which translates to:
"[To] Control from Submarine Base Wilhelmshaven: Radio message 1224 solved with RHV"[/quote]

Even had they followed orders, they might have started every message with "From the Commander" (in german) which was plenty to seed the search. There weren't any orders about this as the Germans figure as long as the messages were short, we wouldn't see patterns in the data. Little did they know they were putting a formal pattern at the start of each message.
Once the standard greetings were known, it was simply a matter of wiring it into a Bombe and waiting for a solution to pop out of the machine.
Turning and the crew did some fantastic work because the took the impossible and turned it into something that an operator with a little training could do

You are totally wrong!
Check internet and Youtube and you will find the facts.

I am not. This was the reason everything on our side was referred to by code name instead of the name of the person or place. We understood the more abstract the message, the harder it would be to decode. In the mean time, messages from Hitler were signed with his name and title.

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In the mean time, messages from Hitler were signed with his name and title.

Nope.

In the mean time, messages from Hitler were signed with his name and title.

Nope.

Hitler signed his messages Adolf Hitler, Fuhrer ( I am not sure how you make a U with a double dot over it).

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